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    Pol Pot with Khmer Rouge leaders Ieng Sary, left, and Son Sen

    Khmer Rouge No. 2 says regime acted for Cambodians

    PHNOM PENH, Cambodia — The deputy leader of the Khmer Rouge regime blamed for 1.7 million deaths in Cambodia’s “killing fields” insisted Tuesday he carried out its policies for the sake of Cambodians and to protect the country from invaders.

    “I had to leave my family behind to liberate my motherland from colonialism and aggression and oppression by the thieves who wish to steal our land and wipe Cambodia off the face of the Earth,” Nuon Chea said in his first public comments at the trial.

    “We wanted to free Cambodia from being a servant of other countries, and we wanted to build Cambodia as a society that is clean and independent, without any killing of people or genocide,” he said.

    The communist movement’s chief ideologist did not directly respond to the horrors that prosecutors described a day earlier at the start of the U.N.-backed tribunal for him and two other top Khmer Rouge leaders.

    Instead, Nuon Chea gave a political history of the movement and Cambodia, insisted his role was patriotic, and blamed neighboring Vietnam for much of the country’s troubles.

    The tribunal is seeking justice on behalf of the 1.7 million people – as much as a quarter of Cambodia’s then-population – estimated to have died from executions, starvation, disease and overwork when the Khmer Rouge held power in 1975-79.

    The three most senior surviving leaders – Nuon Chea, 85; former head of state Khieu Samphan, 80; and former Foreign Minister Ieng Sary, 86 – are charged with crimes against humanity, genocide, religious persecution, homicide and torture. They have long denied blame.

    Khmer Rouge Ideology / Code
    ————————————-

    -Create a classless society, simply by eliminating all social classes except for the ‘old people’ – poor peasants who work the land

    -In order to be loyal to the state, the Khmer Rouge enforced the breaking of ties to religion and family

    -all children from the age of 8 were separated from their parents and placed in labour camps, which taught them that the State was their ‘true’ parents

    -Factories, hospitals, schools and universities were shut down. Lawyers, doctors, teachers, engineers and qualified professionals in all fields were thought to be a threat to the new regime.

    -All political and civil rights were abolished. Religion of all kinds was banned as were music and radios. Money was abolished and all aspects of life were subject to regulation

    -People were not allowed to choose their own marriage partners. They could not leave their given place of work or even select the clothes that they would wear.

    -By instigating ‘Year Zero’ Pol Pot wished to create a State focussed on their rural idyll, with all citizens pledging loyalty to the State in a way which prohibited all personal, community or religious allegiances

    - All Khmer were forced to wear a checkered “krama”(scarf) and black outfit to show no class , The “krama” is what distinctly separates the Khmer (Cambodians) from their Thai, Vietnamese, and Laotian neighbors.

    Khmer Rouge rule began April 17, 1975, when it captured Phnom Penh to end a bitter five-year civil war and immediately forced the evacuation of the capital, where 1 million people had sheltered. The country was almost sealed from the outside world and most people were forced to work on giant rural communes as the Khmer Rouge attempted to create a pure agrarian socialist society.

    Economic and social disaster ensued, but the failures only fed the group’s paranoia, and suspected traitors were hunted down, only plunging the country further into chaos.

    #1640717
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    [i]Originally posted by JackTsang05[/i]
    Economic and social disaster ensued, but the failures only fed the group’s paranoia, and suspected traitors were hunted down, only plunging the country further into chaos.

    ^ description reminds me of america’s present & future =(

    Originally posted by SeattleElite
    Watch the full film online.

    http://video.pbs.org/video/2050822129#/quote

    ^ thanks SeattleElite for helping many of us see the ‘Enemies of the People’ documentary by Thet Sambath.

    after years of silence, Nuon Chea finally told Sambath that the reason he (along with Pol Pot) ordered the killing of 2 million khmer civilians, is the PEOPLE were the ‘enemies of the people’. seriously???

    it’s that kind of diseased, inverted thinking and justification is what destroys society, humanity (and ultimately via USA, all mankind).

    he and the other krahom explained how they moved from town to town across kampuchea lining up people, children (cataloging them by name and such) then slitting their throats or throwing babies up in the air and shooting at them, having them land on knives thru their stomach and eating their body parts as assorted delicacies.

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    #1640718
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    its really sad because the downfall of the main goal to rid the Vietnamese and recapturing of Khmer Krom failed because of paranoia within our own blood.

    #1640719
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    http://www.yale.edu/cgp/images/maps/CGP_maplicity.gif

    1970 — The CIA overthrows Prince Sihounok, who is highly popular among Cambodians for keeping them out of the Vietnam War. He is replaced by CIA puppet Lon Nol, who immediately throws Cambodian troops into battle. This unpopular move strengthens once minor opposition parties like the Khmer Rouge, which achieves power in 1975 and massacres millions of its own people.

    http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/CIAtimeline.html

    A Timeline of CIA Atrocities

    By Steve Kangas

    [/i]The above linked timeline describes just a few of the hundreds of atrocities and crimes committed.

    “CIA operations follow the same recurring script. First, American business interests abroad are threatened by a popular or democratically elected leader. The people support their leader because he intends to conduct land reform, strengthen unions, redistribute wealth, nationalize foreign-owned industry, and regulate business to protect workers, consumers and the environment. So, on behalf of American business, and often with their help, the CIA mobilizes the opposition. First it identifies right-wing groups within the country (usually the military), and offers them a deal: “We’ll put you in power if you maintain a favorable business climate for us.” The Agency then hires, trains and works with them to overthrow the existing government (usually a democracy). It uses every trick in the book: propaganda, stuffed ballot boxes, purchased elections, extortion, blackmail, sexual intrigue, false stories about opponents in the local media, infiltration and disruption of opposing political parties, kidnapping, beating, torture, intimidation, economic sabotage, death squads and even assassination. These efforts culminate in a military coup, which installs a right-wing dictator. The CIA trains the dictator’s security apparatus to crack down on the traditional enemies of big business, using interrogation, torture and murder. The victims are said to be “communists,” but almost always they are just peasants, liberals, moderates, labor union leaders, political opponents and advocates of free speech and democracy. Widespread human rights abuses follow.

    This scenario has been repeated so many times that the CIA actually teaches it in a special school, the notorious “School of the Americas.” (It opened in Panama but later moved to Fort Benning, Georgia.) Critics have nicknamed it the “School of the Dictators” and “School of the Assassins.” Here, the CIA trains Latin American military officers how to conduct coups, including the use of interrogation, torture and murder.

    The Association for Responsible Dissent estimates that by 1987, 6 million people had died as a result of CIA covert operations. (2) Former State Department official William Blum correctly calls this an “American Holocaust.”

    The CIA justifies these actions as part of its war against communism. But most coups do not involve a communist threat. Unlucky nations are targeted for a wide variety of reasons: not only threats to American business interests abroad, but also liberal or even moderate social reforms, political instability, the unwillingness of a leader to carry out Washington’s dictates, and declarations of neutrality in the Cold War. Indeed, nothing has infuriated CIA Directors quite like a nation’s desire to stay out of the Cold War.

    The ironic thing about all this intervention is that it frequently fails to achieve American objectives. Often the newly installed dictator grows comfortable with the security apparatus the CIA has built for him. He becomes an expert at running a police state. And because the dictator knows he cannot be overthrown, he becomes independent and defiant of Washington’s will. The CIA then finds it cannot overthrow him, because the police and military are under the dictator’s control, afraid to cooperate with American spies for fear of torture and execution. The only two options for the U.S at this point are impotence or war. Examples of this “boomerang effect” include the Shah of Iran, General Noriega and Saddam Hussein. The boomerang effect also explains why the CIA has proven highly successful at overthrowing democracies, but a wretched failure at overthrowing dictatorships.”[/i]

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    #1640720
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    Tevbot you can blame the U.S. for dropping in bombs and invasion. But one country help destroy Lon Nol airforce and did the fighting for the KR for the first 2 years of the war.

    #1640721
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    [i]Originally posted by KhmerCasanova[/i]
    Tevbot you can blame the U.S. for dropping in bombs and invasion. But one country help destroy Lon Nol airforce and did the fighting for the KR for the first 2 years of the war.

    What? I don’t understand what you are saying.

    Anyways, the American Government creates wars and problems in this world. Looks whats happening in Egypt.

    #1640722
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    [i]Originally posted by banana[/i]

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by KhmerCasanova[/i]
    Tevbot you can blame the U.S. for dropping in bombs and invasion. But one country help destroy Lon Nol airforce and did the fighting for the KR for the first 2 years of the war.

    What? I don’t understand what you are saying.

    Anyways, the American Government creates wars and problems in this world. Looks whats happening in Egypt.[/quote]

    There are a lot of key players in the Killing Fields. Finger pointing at the U.S. is pointless. North Vietnam and VC did most of the fighting for the KR at the beginning of the Civil War. The Chinese provided weapons and supported the KR. Khmers need to take accountability for our mistakes. But it looks like Nuon Chea is still living in his lala land.

    #1640723
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    ^ yep usa gave lon nol $300 million to install & fund kr genocide operation, and recently ruled now 36 yrs later that the new Cambodia government owes it back as a ‘loan’ plus interest (slap in da face).

    that’s how ruthless & conniving us govt is. yet its like the world is so scared of big bad bully, everyone look the other way. =(

    tis happening in dozens of countries all over, cia is the world’s biggest drug dealer thru opium laos then afghanistan, & is still installing self-destructive regimes in hope that millions in each country kill each other off.

    [i]Originally posted by KhmerCasanova[/i]
    But one country help destroy Lon Nol airforce and did the fighting for the KR for the first 2 years of the war.

    who??

    http://www.khmerhub.com
    #1640724
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    [i]Originally posted by KhmerCasanova[/i]
    North Vietnam and VC did most of the fighting for the KR at the beginning of the Civil War. The Chinese provided weapons and supported the KR. Khmers need to take accountability for our mistakes. But it looks like Nuon Chea is still living in his lala land.

    o0ps, som toh kyom ‘ninjaed’ =L

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    #1640725
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    Who kill the man when he came to USA?????

    [i]Originally posted by JackTsang05[/i]
    [img]http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1475000/images/_1477286_engap300.jpg[/img][img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_kWKqQEHEdf0/SexMmW1CmtI/AAAAAAAAZBI/kZZ71L2PZho/s400/se-pot-handout.jpg[/img][img]http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1650000/images/_1652139_polpot150ap.jpg[/img]
    [i]Pol Pot with Khmer Rouge leaders Ieng Sary, left, and Son Sen[/i]

    Khmer Rouge No. 2 says regime acted for Cambodians

    PHNOM PENH, Cambodia — The deputy leader of the Khmer Rouge regime blamed for 1.7 million deaths in Cambodia’s “killing fields” insisted Tuesday he carried out its policies for the sake of Cambodians and to protect the country from invaders.

    [img]http://media.bnd.com/smedia/2011/11/22/07/47/379-13ouE.Em.55.jpg[/img][img]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-D0HCqHyDmak/TdHosubXQRI/AAAAAAAAFsM/4fVhv8nC7sM/s1600/vn1.jpg[/img]

    “I had to leave my family behind to liberate my motherland from colonialism and aggression and oppression by the thieves who wish to steal our land and wipe Cambodia off the face of the Earth,” Nuon Chea said in his first public comments at the trial.

    “We wanted to free Cambodia from being a servant of other countries, and we wanted to build Cambodia as a society that is clean and independent, without any killing of people or genocide,” he said.

    The communist movement’s chief ideologist did not directly respond to the horrors that prosecutors described a day earlier at the start of the U.N.-backed tribunal for him and two other top Khmer Rouge leaders.

    Instead, Nuon Chea gave a political history of the movement and Cambodia, insisted his role was patriotic, and blamed neighboring Vietnam for much of the country’s troubles.

    [img]http://www.cambodia.org/images/khmer_rouge_trial.jpg[/img][img]http://www.cambodia.org/images/Ta_Mok_chinese.jpg[/img]

    The tribunal is seeking justice on behalf of the 1.7 million people – as much as a quarter of Cambodia’s then-population – estimated to have died from executions, starvation, disease and overwork when the Khmer Rouge held power in 1975-79.

    The three most senior surviving leaders – Nuon Chea, 85; former head of state Khieu Samphan, 80; and former Foreign Minister Ieng Sary, 86 – are charged with crimes against humanity, genocide, religious persecution, homicide and torture. They have long denied blame.

    [b]Khmer Rouge Ideology / Code [/b]
    ————————————-

    -Create a classless society, simply by eliminating all social classes except for the ‘old people’ – poor peasants who work the land

    -In order to be loyal to the state, the Khmer Rouge enforced the breaking of ties to religion and family

    -all children from the age of 8 were separated from their parents and placed in labour camps, which taught them that the State was their ‘true’ parents

    -Factories, hospitals, schools and universities were shut down. Lawyers, doctors, teachers, engineers and qualified professionals in all fields were thought to be a threat to the new regime.

    -All political and civil rights were abolished. Religion of all kinds was banned as were music and radios. Money was abolished and all aspects of life were subject to regulation

    -People were not allowed to choose their own marriage partners. They could not leave their given place of work or even select the clothes that they would wear.

    -By instigating ‘Year Zero’ Pol Pot wished to create a State focussed on their rural idyll, with all citizens pledging loyalty to the State in a way which prohibited all personal, community or religious allegiances

    - All Khmer were forced to wear a checkered “krama”(scarf) and black outfit to show no class , The “krama” is what distinctly separates the Khmer (Cambodians) from their Thai, Vietnamese, and Laotian neighbors.

    [img]http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4089/4838196948_1b7746ca38.jpg[/img][img]http://www.intellasia.net/news/uploads/4/Khmer_Rouge_labour_camp-420.jpg[/img]

    Khmer Rouge rule began April 17, 1975, when it captured Phnom Penh to end a bitter five-year civil war and immediately forced the evacuation of the capital, where 1 million people had sheltered. The country was almost sealed from the outside world and most people were forced to work on giant rural communes as the Khmer Rouge attempted to create a pure agrarian socialist society.

    Economic and social disaster ensued, but the failures only fed the group’s paranoia, and suspected traitors were hunted down, only plunging the country further into chaos.

    [img]http://parker2011.wikispaces.com/file/view/cambodia_victim.jpg/229088552/cambodia_victim.jpg[/img][img]http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2009/02/01/world/01cambodia01-190.jpg[/img][img]http://www.sptimes.com/2003/10/19/images/large/F_0_ta19uz_171150_1019.jpg[/img]

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