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    1) So is it right then if the evidence is not false? I’m assuming yes, so that makes it relative to whether the evidence is true or false when you’re making a testimony.

    2) But let’s say the evidence is false. What if you’re trying to get rid of someone evil through the use of false testimonies, try to get the followers from being brainwashed by someone like Hitler or Pol Pot?

    Is that also wrong?

    [i]Originally posted by rasy[/i]
    but i’ll give an example of a moral absolute. I believe it is always wrong to give false testimony against other people. Making false allegations against someone, damaging their reputation, hurting their credibility based on false evidence, gossip etc… is wrong.

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    [i]Originally posted by rasy[/i]

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    As long as that truth is for the good and betterment of mankind and our world then it being absolute or not doesn’t matter.

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    illustration:

    a community in a village with everyone with blue eyes gets along and agree on laws for the betterment of mankind, this seems to work. But then another group with black eyes comes along and takes over that 1st group of villagers and changes the prior laws to another law claiming it is real goodness. the number of black eyed people outnumber blue eyed people 3 to 1 ratio. this new law imposed results in less access to food, water etc towards the 1st group blue eyed group…would this still be acceptable? or would there still be a standard that this new 2nd black eyed group has to uphold by? [/quote]

    That is why I said that believing we have a grasp on absolute truth concerning morality would be dangerous, because no matter what standard we claim to know we only see at certain perspective. I actually like Legend response to you thread, and that is exactly what I’m trying to imply to you. I’m not going change your mind regarding your beliefs, and that is why I don’t care if you believe in an absolute truth, or not as long as you have the better judgment on how that truth effects yourself and mankind.

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    haha.it get wild doesnt it…..lol

    Even are parent that doesn’t want their kid to succeed but they are passing down their failure..but the children failure would come success so on on if not it continue..it also a chain of karma’s..in buddhism levels will need to accomplish to break that cycle..

    In regard to my uncle it supernatural miracle..but it doesn’t make him the supreme god…he share his stories to his family just like a christian would to their family so on so on to prove mircale exist..but how can it exist in both. that is the question..is both wrong or one is wrong? According to the buddha neither is wrong. according to christ it is wrong becuase he is not clense or a born again..am I right about this one?

    Scientist cannot fine all answers. America does not agree to coined when sick is healthy..but for thousand of years it work better then any fever medicine..Why havent the west agree this method work better. Instead they will not allow this to happen in any practice…They praise only their work and discovery..

    an buddhist amulet is faith for buddhist as a cross or image of jesus faith to christians..

    [i]Originally posted by rasy[/i]

    lol yeah i dont know how we started talkimg about stabbing either…but sometimes i think tension due to debates here in KC R&P forum are so thick u have to cut it with a knife.

    i agree that parents want us to succeed and u call this absolute. how would u respond to someone who believes not all parents want their children to suceed. would u say they are wrong in believing that? naturally u would, so there is a standard, a universal one. that is the point i’m trying to make, humans have an universal standard when we deal with what is moral and what is good.

    in regards to your uncle soldier. there are many things that happen in our human world that defies logic and science and biology and even evolution can not explain. evolution can not explain how ur uncle got shot, stabbed and buried and still alive, or how bullets miraculously dodge him ( assuming that all this was true).

    our world have moral law that i see as absolute truth…but also it is true i believe in the supernatural. so for ur uncle who survived all of this u admit there was a belief in supernatural (buddhist amulet) can millions years of evolution mutated cells and amoeba explain why this buddhist amulet seem to work for him? the supernatural defies our physical science and defies the laws of science. but the law of science still exist and we all here on earth are subjected to it.

    basically i’m saying i would not recommend doing a scientific test on this same buddhist amulet ur uncle had on people in a lab shooting them with a bullet and expect 20 out of 20 subjects to not be harmed. why i suggest not to do this test? because we still are subjected to the law of physics and science.

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    @rasy

    Do you think having an absolute morals, morally correct? And who decides which morals are absolute? Who gets to decide how to punish those who break these rules? What degree of punishment? is the punishment levels relative or absolute? You lie, you die kind of thing? Who decides……..

    Having absolute morals is dangerous really, because as you can tell by my question it is relative to who or (what group).

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    Is not, but not easy to archive *smile*

    Moral and punishment are two pairs of shoes. For judge others is really a dangerous thing.

    Highest moral is quite simple: Not causing harm. That’s it. Nothing else to keep in mind. Develop it step by step.

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    [i]Originally posted by agent0o5[/i]
    1) So is it right then if the evidence is not false? I’m assuming yes, so that makes it relative to whether the evidence is true or false when you’re making a testimony.

    2) But let’s say the evidence is false. What if you’re trying to get rid of someone evil through the use of false testimonies, try to get the followers from being brainwashed by someone like Hitler or Pol Pot?

    Is that also wrong?

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    1.) false evidence is false evidence no matter how we look at it, has nothing to do with religion. If i’m saying something untrue about you, then I would be guilty of slander.

    2.) If your trying to send a person to jail for a crime, the moment the court finds out there was false evidence immediately the judge will lift the sentence and will presume the person innocent until proven guilty again. The court will only accept true evidence or witness, it is an oath people take. If the judge ultimately does not find him guilty, even though he truly is, the criminal will ultimately answer to the supereme judge, God.

    In regards to trying to get rid of someone evil through false testimony. Why resort to the false testimonies? why not use the true ones…true testimonies are more likely to stick better, because they are true. We did not need false testimonies to prove Hitler and Pol Pot were evil. We have more than enough of true ones.

    People use right methods to get desired results and people use wrong methods to get desired results. But the results in itself should not be the standard to measure what is right method or wrong method.

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    That’s right. it’s just my truth.
    for it to be absolute truth, everyone has to AGREE.

    A reason why there’s no absolute truth is that WE can’t come to ONE truth.

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    no. because there’s no absolute truth.

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    by arguing there is no such thing as absolute truth, is that in itself considered absolute truth?

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    saying there is no absolute truth would be your(kadin) absolute truth.
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    [i]Originally posted by Kadin[/i]
    That’s right. it’s just my truth.
    for it to be absolute truth, everyone has to AGREE.

    A reason why there’s no absolute truth is that WE can’t come to ONE truth.

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    no. because there’s no absolute truth.

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    by arguing there is no such thing as absolute truth, is that in itself considered absolute truth?

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    saying there is no absolute truth would be your(kadin) absolute truth.
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    can we all come to one truth that the earth is round? yes we can
    can we all come to one truth that there is absolute moral and ethic? no we cant, but that doesnt’ automatically mean there isn’t

    if our current science prevented us from going to outter space and knowing the truth about our round earth, some may still think it’s flat…our earth does not need humans full agreement or approval to know she is round. She is round regardless and that is the truth.

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    earth is round.by a name given..we.don’t know earth is really round but we.gave it a name.anyways…it can be a triangle, square..etc..it just a name..

    Another race could just.call earth triangle..but we all.came.to agree let.call it.round…

    Same thing with truth..or absoulte truth. We all agree to not.agree..

    If truth is abosulute then there no reason we all debating right?

    [i]Originally posted by rasy[/i]

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    That’s right. it’s just my truth.
    for it to be absolute truth, everyone has to AGREE.

    A reason why there’s no absolute truth is that WE can’t come to ONE truth.

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    no. because there’s no absolute truth.

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    by arguing there is no such thing as absolute truth, is that in itself considered absolute truth?

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    saying there is no absolute truth would be your(kadin) absolute truth.
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    can we all come to one truth that the earth is round? yes we can
    can we all come to one truth that there is absolute moral and ethic? no we cant, but that doesnt’ automatically mean there isn’t

    if our current science prevented us from going to outter space and knowing the truth about our round earth, some may still think it’s flat…our earth does not need humans full agreement or approval to know she is round. She is round regardless and that is the truth.
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    Actually you are right, there is really no real reason. Just a will to keep it going on *smile* That is a very true you said.

    This true is called the first noble truth, seeing that there is a problem.

    [Message last modified 10-12-2011 05:09am by hanzze]

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    What if you’re using false testimony to catch a criminal who is trying to lie to you & won’t tell you the truth?

    Like how cops try to make a criminal confess to a crime? You do know police officers have the rights to lie to you about having witnesses who saw you committing a crime even though they don’t. Sometimes they’ll use it on friends/relatives of the suspect so they will help catch the criminal as well because they might hold back.

    Is it wrong when you’re using a lie or false information about this suspect to catch the real criminal?

    [i]Originally posted by rasy[/i]

    1.) false evidence is false evidence no matter how we look at it, has nothing to do with religion. If i’m saying something untrue about you, then I would be guilty of slander.

    2.) If your trying to send a person to jail for a crime, the moment the court finds out there was false evidence immediately the judge will lift the sentence and will presume the person innocent until proven guilty again. The court will only accept true evidence or witness, it is an oath people take. If the judge ultimately does not find him guilty, even though he truly is, the criminal will ultimately answer to the supereme judge, God.

    In regards to trying to get rid of someone evil through false testimony. Why resort to the false testimonies? why not use the true ones…true testimonies are more likely to stick better, because they are true. We did not need false testimonies to prove Hitler and Pol Pot were evil. We have more than enough of true ones.

    People use right methods to get desired results and people use wrong methods to get desired results. But the results in itself should not be the standard to measure what is right method or wrong method.

    [Message last modified 10-12-2011 07:02am by agent0o5]

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    A lie is always wrong. Just let it simple, there would not much to think of and we can stay in the present and not waving around in “if” and ideas and thoughts and speculations…

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    [i]Originally posted by PhnomKlarSar[/i]
    earth is round.by a name given..we.don’t know earth is really round but we.gave it a name.anyways…it can be a triangle, square..etc..it just a name..

    Another race could just.call earth triangle..but we all.came.to agree let.call it.round…

    Same thing with truth..or absoulte truth. We all agree to not.agree..

    If truth is abosulute then there no reason we all debating right?
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    it is also the true humans have the capacity to agree or disagree. we have the ability to debate. we have capacity to choose.
    I know it’s wrong to run a red light, but it doesnt take away my ability or capacity to run it. My capacity to choose is still there. I can run it or not run it.
    people run red lights all the time, people stop at red lights all the time. this doesnt change the fact that running a red light is wrong.

    you debate because you think your view is right, I debate because I think my views are right. the reason why u are debating with me is because u think my views are flawed. Otherwise u would not take time out of your day to spend this dialoge with me.
    You are saying I need to measure my view to your standards and I must accept your view and allow your view also be my view. It is only then will u view me as being in the right.

    But if I do not accept your view as truth, then I will always be labled wrong. Is it possible for someone here to be wrong and someone where to be right? or are we all wrong?

    I know one thing for sure…we can’t be all right but neither one of us is willing to say we are wrong. (that is why we are debating)

    [Message last modified 10-12-2011 06:00pm by rasy]

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    You just answer that absolute truth isnt true until it flawless…

    Now we are on the same page..lol..

    A red light is a system..telling us to stop..green tell us to go..orange tell us to.decide..each one has a choice and a consequnece..

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    earth is round.by a name given..we.don’t know earth is really round but we.gave it a name.anyways…it cae a triangle, square..etc..it just a name..

    Another race could just.call earth triangle..but we all.came.to agree let.call it.round…

    Same thing with truth..or absoulte truth. We all agree to not.agree..

    If truth is abosulute then there no reason we all debating right?
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    it is also the true humans have the capacity to agree or disagree. we have the ability to debate. we have capacity to choose.
    I know it’s wrong to run a red light, but it doesnt take away my ability or capacity to run it. My capacity to choose is still there. I can run it or not run it.
    people run red lights all the time, people stop at red lights all the time. this doesnt change the fact that running a red light is wrong.

    you debate because you think your view is right, I debate because I think my views are right. the reason why u are debating with me is because u think my views are flawed. Otherwise u would not take time out of your day to spend this dialoge with me.
    You are saying I need to measure my view to your standards and I must accept your view and allow your view also be my view. It is only then will u view me as being in the right.

    But if I do not accept your view as truth, then I will always be labled wrong. Is it possible for someone here to be wrong and someone where to be right? or are we all wrong?

    I know one thing for sure…we can’t be all right but neither one of us is willing to say we are wrong. (that is why we are debating)

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    No, sometimes lying is the right thing to do. Some people can’t handle the truth, they have to lie to themselves and have blind faith that whatever they believe is true will magically become true despite the facts.

    [i]Originally posted by hanzze[/i]
    A lie is always wrong. Just let it simple, there would not much to think of and we can stay in the present and not waving around in “if” and ideas and thoughts and speculations…

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    that’s right. Earth just “looks” round.
    also, some people believe it is flat.
    see…”the earth is round”…. this is NOT absolute truth.

    [i]Originally posted by PhnomKlarSar[/i]
    [b]earth is round.by a name given..we.don’t know earth is really round but we.gave it a name.[/b]anyways…it can be a triangle, square..etc..it just a name..

    Another race could just.call earth triangle..but we all.came.to agree let.call it.round…

    Same thing with truth..or absoulte truth. We all agree to not.agree..

    If truth is abosulute then there no reason we all debating right?
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    That’s right. it’s just my truth.
    for it to be absolute truth, everyone has to AGREE.

    A reason why there’s no absolute truth is that WE can’t come to ONE truth.

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    no. because there’s no absolute truth.

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    by arguing there is no such thing as absolute truth, is that in itself considered absolute truth?

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    saying there is no absolute truth would be your(kadin) absolute truth.
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    can we all come to one truth that the earth is round? yes we can
    can we all come to one truth that there is absolute moral and ethic? no we cant, but that doesnt’ automatically mean there isn’t

    if our current science prevented us from going to outter space and knowing the truth about our round earth, some may still think it’s flat…our earth does not need humans full agreement or approval to know she is round. She is round regardless and that is the truth.
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    [i]Originally posted by Kadin[/i]
    that’s right. Earth just “looks” round.
    also, some people believe it is flat.
    see…”the earth is round”…. this is NOT absolute truth.

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    [b]earth is round.by a name given..we.don’t know earth is really round but we.gave it a name.[/b]anyways…it can be a triangle, [quote]
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    what ever word, sound or adjective u use, it’s describing the shape. If u use the verbal sound “Round” in English or “Moul” in Khmer both languages agree the earth takes this similar discription. If “blah blah” is what a baby says to describe a the shape of the earth and adults happen to say “round” the baby and the adult are still communicating and desribing the same thing. the baby and the adult is not describing flat

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    how would you describe if we in the world have 5000 Rasy…would they are be the same..see my point..

    [i]Originally posted by rasy[/i]

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    that’s right. Earth just “looks” round.
    also, some people believe it is flat.
    see…”the earth is round”…. this is NOT absolute truth.

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    [b]earth is round.by a name given..we.don’t know earth is really round but we.gave it a name.[/b]anyways…it can be a triangle, [quote]
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    what ever word, sound or adjective u use, it’s describing the shape. If u use the verbal sound “Round” in English or “Moul” in Khmer both languages agree the earth takes this similar discription. If “blah blah” is what a baby says to describe a the shape of the earth and adults happen to say “round” the baby and the adult are still communicating and desribing the same thing. the baby and the adult is not describing flat[/quote]

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    There is nothing in the universe that is straight and flat, everything is round. You would not find a singe corner if you look very exact and not just from far away.

    Straight and corners are just mind made and do not exist. *smile*

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    [i]Originally posted by PhnomKlarSar[/i]
    how would you describe if we in the world have 5000 Rasy…would they are be the same..see my point..
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    i’m confused on this reponse

    even a deaf person who is unable to verbally communicate sound, they will use their means to communicate to us the earth is round and not flat. Even if a blind person can not see the earth is round, it doesn’t change the fact it’s round.

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    Ok..good you.mention a deaf person..

    a name is given to identify an object, things, etc.

    If the deaf person have never heard the sound round it.cant.be round.to.him, but he.will pick something that is similar and he call it “ahhhh”.

    If he pick up the round object and show another deaf person he call it “ohhhhh”.

    Then a blind person walk in an all he is hear ahhhh ohhhh ahhhh ohhhh.. the blind person cannot identify they are talking about the round object.

    After awhile of.repeat the process then they all agree it round but will name.it “ahhhh ohhhh”.
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    Earth is not.round by it name. Earth is form round but.still we don’t know.round.is.round. just an illuison..lol..

    Draw a straight line.with a pnecil on paper..is it a straight.line..it.acutal a.series.of dots.

    A printer use the term DPI. Pc, monitor etc..DPI . They all agree it display “dots per inch”.

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    how would you describe if we in the world have 5000 Rasy…would they are be the same..see my point..
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    i’m confused on this reponse

    even a deaf person who is unable to verbally communicate sound, they will use their means to communicate to us the earth is round and not flat. Even if a blind person can not see the earth is round, it doesn’t change the fact it’s round.[/quote]

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    Earth is formed …round is a shape we giving.that form.

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    [i]Originally posted by agent0o5[/i]
    No, sometimes lying is the right thing to do. Some people can’t handle the truth, they have to lie to themselves and have blind faith that whatever they believe is true will magically become true despite the facts.

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    [i]Originally posted by hanzze[/i]
    A lie is always wrong. Just let it simple, there would not much to think of and we can stay in the present and not waving around in “if” and ideas and thoughts and speculations…

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    That would have its basement of your own speculation. Do you really think you know how others are and that you are the one who can change them.

    Keep it simple, just don’t lie. No need to make brain gymnastic and the “what, if, when” thing. The truth has nothing do with ideas or thoughts.

    But a lie is for sure the opposite of the truth, so a lie is never right. *smile* Actually to understand the truth is nothing but stop lying, especial to one self. ;-)

    [Message last modified 10-14-2011 02:35am by hanzze]

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    Well, *if* things were that simple, we wouldn’t have these discussions.

    Whether a lie is wrong or not is not so black or white. I’m sure you’ve told a lie to someone before for their own good, like lying to a child about the truth because they’re not ready to handle it.

    [i]Originally posted by hanzze[/i]
    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by agent0o5[/i]
    No, sometimes lying is the right thing to do. Some people can’t handle the truth, they have to lie to themselves and have blind faith that whatever they believe is true will magically become true despite the facts.

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by hanzze[/i]
    A lie is always wrong. Just let it simple, there would not much to think of and we can stay in the present and not waving around in “if” and ideas and thoughts and speculations…

    [/quote]

    That would have its basement of your own speculation. Do you really think you know how others are and that you are the one who can change them.

    Keep it simple, just don’t lie. No need to make brain gymnastic and the “what, if, when” thing. The truth has nothing do with ideas or thoughts.

    But a lie is for sure the opposite of the truth, so a lie is never right. *smile* Actually to understand the truth is nothing but stop lying, especial to one self. ;-)

    [Message last modified 10-14-2011 02:35am by hanzze][/quote]

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    Things are that simple, but are you sure that you like to have them simple?

    Don’t worry, everybody had done wrong, but that is not the question. A lie is wrong and all the rest are ideas and actuelly mostly compromises.

    But a compromise has nothing to do with the truth. We would find 1000 excuses why we did wrong, but how ever it world not change into right at the end.

    So walking the way of virtue means to work constantly on one self. Step by step we reach the point to understand the truth. *smile*

    [i]Originally posted by agent0o5[/i]
    Well, *if* things were that simple, we wouldn’t have these discussions.

    Whether a lie is wrong or not is not so black or white. I’m sure you’ve told a lie to someone before for their own good, like lying to a child about the truth because they’re not ready to handle it.

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by hanzze[/i]
    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by agent0o5[/i]
    No, sometimes lying is the right thing to do. Some people can’t handle the truth, they have to lie to themselves and have blind faith that whatever they believe is true will magically become true despite the facts.

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by hanzze[/i]
    A lie is always wrong. Just let it simple, there would not much to think of and we can stay in the present and not waving around in “if” and ideas and thoughts and speculations…

    [/quote]

    That would have its basement of your own speculation. Do you really think you know how others are and that you are the one who can change them.

    Keep it simple, just don’t lie. No need to make brain gymnastic and the “what, if, when” thing. The truth has nothing do with ideas or thoughts.

    But a lie is for sure the opposite of the truth, so a lie is never right. *smile* Actually to understand the truth is nothing but stop lying, especial to one self. ;-)

    [Message last modified 10-14-2011 02:35am by hanzze][/quote]
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