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  • #351516
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    ask and i will answer. i wont make it too long. i’ll try to keep it short and fun.

    #351528
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    Which intention did you really had as you decided make this post?

    Compassion, in the way to help others out?
    A desire for philosophical discussions, sense desire?
    Did you so a possibility to prove your attainments of insight?
    Or a way to distinguish yourself to get some good feelings from it?
    Or just dullness? And if, what is its cause?

    *smile*

    #351538
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    just for fun. many of the forums out there esp conspiracy forums, there is always an ask me a question thread. its intended to be fun. its an experiment. anything might happen.

    #351548
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    [i]Originally posted by bowang[/i]
    ask and i will answer. i wont make it too long. i’ll try to keep it short and fun.

    is it biblical for Christians to judge others?

    #351558
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    the old testament outlined the 10 commandments. in it are a many prohibitions. you teach a child by telling him what not to do because that is the language he understads. as the child gets older with more experiences and maturity, you tell him what to do instead. that’s what happened with the new testament. its no longer about prohibiting judgement or the many countless sins out there, buts its more proactive instead of reactive in nature. jesus said love your neighbors. as for passing judgement, we naturally are good at it. it comes easy for us because people are inherently evil and that is the nature of sin. the more you are in christ, the more you do instead of not doing.

    #351564
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    So you telling us that they due judge..the more judgement they do the closer they get to.christ?!

    [i]Originally posted by bowang[/i]
    the old testament outlined the 10 commandments. in it are a many prohibitions. you teach a child by telling him what not to do because that is the language he understads. as the child gets older with more experiences and maturity, you tell him what to do instead. that’s what happened with the new testament. its no longer about prohibiting judgement or the many countless sins out there, buts its more proactive instead of reactive in nature. jesus said love your neighbors. as for passing judgement, we naturally are good at it. it comes easy for us because people are inherently evil and that is the nature of sin. the more you are in christ, the more you do instead of not doing.

    #351575
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    bowang
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    the bible is divided into 2 sections. old and new testament. the old testament is more like speaking to a child as demonstrated with the 10 commandments. do not do this or that because it is the earlier portion of the book. the new testament is more about doing this and that. do love God, do love your neighbors etc. pointing out the unbelievers, speaking the truth is not passing judgement, dont mix the 2. people do tend to think less of his neighbors when he is the same way, this is passing judgement or being hypocritical. the pharisees were hypocrites. they would judge others yet they themselves were the most evil ones. so yeah passing judgement is prohibited and was aimed the the pharisees biblically. but in todays world, and due to our carnality, we want to judge. but we have to resist and we cannot do so without the holy spirit. once the holy spirit is in your, it is no longer passing judgement but it is you telling the truth out of wisdom and experience. you are able to “make the judgement” as a son of GOD because now its known as discernment.

    #351583
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    But I am asking you ..do you judge?! Think that what easy ment..maybe wrong…

    Here my question did the founding fathers of.America all Christian or.christian.base?..

    [i]Originally posted by bowang[quote]

    the bible is divided into 2 sections. old and new testament. the old testament is more like speaking to a child as demonstrated with the 10 commandments. do not do this or that because it is the earlier portion of the book. the new testament is more about doing this and that. do love God, do love your neighbors etc. pointing out the unbelievers, speaking the truth is not passing judgement, dont mix the 2. people do tend to think less of his neighbors when he is the same way, this is passing judgement or being hypocritical. the pharisees were hypocrites. they would judge others yet they themselves were the most evil ones. so yeah passing judgement is prohibited and was aimed the the pharisees biblically. but in todays world, and due to our carnality, we want to judge. but we have to resist and we cannot do so without the holy spirit. once the holy spirit is in your, it is no longer passing judgement but it is you telling the truth out of wisdom and experience. you are able to “make the judgement” as a son of GOD because now its known as discernment.

    #351593
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    judgement under the holy spirit now becomes truth and discernment. for example, i am not a judge in the court of law, i am not qualified to do so. however once you become a judge after law school and many yrs of experience etc you are able to make the necessary judgment in deciding a case. its no longer the form of judgement in a negative manner we are so use to hearing but wisdom discernment based on the evidence presented. my judgement is a discernment based on my qualifications as a christian.

    america was founded under judeo christian values, there is no disputing this fact. i will not attempt do do so. you may google for answers if you wish. the separation of church and state was created by God fearing men who knew the limitation of man and the power of corruption.

    #351603
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    I responded in the other thread..

    [i]Originally posted by bowang[/i]
    judgement under the holy spirit now becomes truth and discernment. for example, i am not a judge in the court of law, i am not qualified to do so. however once you become a judge after law school and many yrs of experience etc you are able to make the necessary judgment in deciding a case. its no longer the form of judgement in a negative manner we are so use to hearing but wisdom discernment based on the evidence presented. my judgement is a discernment based on my qualifications as a christian.

    america was founded under judeo christian values, there is no disputing this fact. i will not attempt do do so. you may google for answers if you wish. the separation of church and state was created by God fearing men who knew the limitation of man and the power of corruption.

    #351613
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    [i]Originally posted by bowang[/i]
    just for fun. many of the forums out there esp conspiracy forums, there is always an ask me a question thread. its intended to be fun. its an experiment. anything might happen.

    So it was the sense desire. It is a good sample, that sense desire leads to rebirth and various kinds of suffering. *smile*

    As we see, we can not have pleasure without having others on the other hand who feel unpleasant out of it. So the battle goes on again. Once pleasure (fun) is always for the sake of others pain.

    So I ask you one more question. How to overcome this problem?

    Not caring for one self, hurts one self.
    Not caring for others, hurts others and one self in return.
    Not caring for both has the same effects.

    Could we have pleasure without the pain of others?

    #351621
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    What’s a ‘bowang’?

    #351629
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    everything is interconnected. as you stated, ones desire my lead to another pain but ones desire may also lead to another happiness. to dwell on such a correlation is pointless i think because every ripple does impact another one somewhere else. what you do here impacts the heavens. to dwell on such a thing doesnt bring forth real objective fruits because its just simply too much for one simple man to handle. it is like the mind running in loops when trying to figure these things out. the eventual result is not good. a waste of time even psychosis.

    what is important is to separate your desire from another pain or happiness. your free will is yours even if things does connect infinitely in the bigger picture. therefore you are an individual and not part of the collective. as a person, you are then able to commit to a responsibility that is between you and the truth or God. so in this sense things become more personal and you are accountable for your own desire, action, and happiness. i think this is a God given right.

    #351640
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    bowang is the missing link the evolutionists are looking for.

    [i]Originally posted by agent0o5[/i]
    What’s a ‘bowang’?

    #351650
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    Well if we take a deeper look of the 9 + 10th Commandment of God, we could find the answer as well as we could find it in the 5 precepts.

    Not lying and not stealing.

    Sensual pleasure leads to need lies and to steal (take what is not given, not destined for you, more than you really need).

    Talking something that is not true is stealing the truth and is lying.

    Making a fun, needs to steal the peace from others. If you make a fun on your neighbor, you need to tell a lie or you need to steal his reputation.
    So to make your self better as your neighbor, you need to steal his reputation. Without stealing his reputation or telling a lie you could not be bigger as you neighbor.
    So the problem is the greed, the desire. When ever you desire to fun or pleasure you need to steal or to ly. No way to have pleasure without breaking commandments or precepts.

    So one way to get out of this problem is to work on your precepts to reduce the desire or to work on your desire and you would keep the precepts naturally.

    So regarding the way to lead a peaceful and happy life you would find no different if you follow christian commandments or Buddha precepts.

    “The Scriptures are filled with examples of greed and its consequences. Way back in Isaiah’s time, for instance, it was Israel’s leaders who sacrificed the good of their own people in the name of greed. Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter. (Isaiah 56:11)”

    One could not say, that it is not possible to lead a peaceful life without hurting others and one self. For sure it is not easy, because it is not easy to overcome desire. But all wise man advice people that this is the way to peace.

    One can develop his virtue and will reduce on this way desire, or he can reduce desire and will gain virtue naturally. Having reduced greed and desire, one leads a peaceful life and does not hurt other.
    If you like fun, you need to hurt. If you like pleasure, you need to hurt. Being at peace and realizing that pleasure does not lead to your own peace as it does not provide peace for others, you would not seek for fun and pleasure. You would enjoy what you get and what you have, being satisfied by real peace and happiness.

    So it is nonsense to argue in this way and use doctrines of wise man to legitimate ones incapacity and attachments (desire and greed as well as hatred)

    #351658
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    Are you trying to say a bowang is a specie inferior to the human race?

    [i]Originally posted by bowang[/i]
    bowang is the missing link the evolutionists are looking for.

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by agent0o5[/i]
    What’s a ‘bowang’?

    [/quote]

    #351667
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    i think it’s self serving to think that you could limit desire out of your own will. perhaps a long time ago when we were closer to the source and sin was not as rampant. the foundation of being a christian is admitting that there is desire and sin is overwhelming and that we cannot escape it out of our own free will. we need God to help us. that is why we believe in Christ. by your definition, one needs to almost be a hermit, be a monk, who desires in secret, in order to limit ones own carnality. even as the buddha ran off due to his desire to be enlightened his wife and kid suffered. and that was the buddha, what about the simple man? i would like to think that God is a thoughtful father who created the world for his children to have some bit of fun even if it can be rough sometimes..

    [i]Originally posted by hanzze[/i]
    Well if we take a deeper look of the 9 + 10th Commandment of God, we could find the answer as well as we could find it in the 5 precepts.

    Not lying and not stealing.

    Sensual pleasure leads to need lies and to steal (take what is not given, not destined for you, more than you really need).

    Talking something that is not true is stealing the truth and is lying.

    Making a fun, needs to steal the peace from others. If you make a fun on your neighbor, you need to tell a lie or you need to steal his reputation.
    So to make your self better as your neighbor, you need to steal his reputation. Without stealing his reputation or telling a lie you could not be bigger as you neighbor.
    So the problem is the greed, the desire. When ever you desire to fun or pleasure you need to steal or to ly. No way to have pleasure without breaking commandments or precepts.

    So one way to get out of this problem is to work on your precepts to reduce the desire or to work on your desire and you would keep the precepts naturally.

    So regarding the way to lead a peaceful and happy life you would find no different if you follow christian commandments or Buddha precepts.

    “The Scriptures are filled with examples of greed and its consequences. Way back in Isaiah’s time, for instance, it was Israel’s leaders who sacrificed the good of their own people in the name of greed. Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter. (Isaiah 56:11)”

    One could not say, that it is not possible to lead a peaceful life without hurting others and one self. For sure it is not easy, because it is not easy to overcome desire. But all wise man advice people that this is the way to peace.

    One can develop his virtue and will reduce on this way desire, or he can reduce desire and will gain virtue naturally. Having reduced greed and desire, one leads a peaceful life and does not hurt other.
    If you like fun, you need to hurt. If you like pleasure, you need to hurt. Being at peace and realizing that pleasure does not lead to your own peace as it does not provide peace for others, you would not seek for fun and pleasure. You would enjoy what you get and what you have, being satisfied by real peace and happiness.

    So it is nonsense to argue in this way and use doctrines of wise man to legitimate ones incapacity and attachments (desire and greed as well as hatred)

    #351676
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    bowang
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    more like i am Caesar..

    [i]Originally posted by agent0o5[/i]
    Are you trying to say a bowang is a specie inferior to the human race?

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by bowang[/i]
    bowang is the missing link the evolutionists are looking for.

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by agent0o5[/i]
    What’s a ‘bowang’?

    [/quote]
    [/quote]

    #351686
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    [i]Originally posted by bowang[/i]
    ask and i will answer. i wont make it too long. i’ll try to keep it short and fun.

    #351695
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    Anonymous

    Buddhas wife reached sainthood and his son enlightenment. This suffering what you tell is like the suffering when you need to work that you get a loan. That is natural.
    Even so with virtue, moral and desire. For sure it is good to have good advices, but actually you are the one who can say, “NO, i am only greedy, I don not really need it”
    If you compare your mindfulness with god, then yes, you need god to work on your desire. To call it is not my fault to be greedy it is gods fault, because he does not help me out of my greed, is more than a strange argument.

    Nobody else forces you to steel and god also did not say that I will make you follow the precepts, I told “Follow them, keep them.”

    So even here it is up to you to walk the right way. If it would be like you told, that god is the one who gives you desire or greed he would be a bloody sadist. Do you really think so? That is nothing else than a excuse of an excuse…

    Start to think, who turns of the PC and who writes? Who orders food, how steals? God? I don’t think so.

    [i]Originally posted by bowang[/i]
    i think it’s self serving to think that you could limit desire out of your own will. perhaps a long time ago when we were closer to the source and sin was not as rampant. the foundation of being a christian is admitting that there is desire and sin is overwhelming and that we cannot escape it out of our own free will. we need God to help us. that is why we believe in Christ. by your definition, one needs to almost be a hermit, be a monk, who desires in secret, in order to limit ones own carnality. even as the buddha ran off due to his desire to be enlightened his wife and kid suffered. and that was the buddha, what about the simple man? i would like to think that God is a thoughtful father who created the world for his children to have some bit of fun even if it can be rough sometimes..

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by hanzze[/i]
    Well if we take a deeper look of the 9 + 10th Commandment of God, we could find the answer as well as we could find it in the 5 precepts.

    Not lying and not stealing.

    Sensual pleasure leads to need lies and to steal (take what is not given, not destined for you, more than you really need).

    Talking something that is not true is stealing the truth and is lying.

    Making a fun, needs to steal the peace from others. If you make a fun on your neighbor, you need to tell a lie or you need to steal his reputation.
    So to make your self better as your neighbor, you need to steal his reputation. Without stealing his reputation or telling a lie you could not be bigger as you neighbor.
    So the problem is the greed, the desire. When ever you desire to fun or pleasure you need to steal or to ly. No way to have pleasure without breaking commandments or precepts.

    So one way to get out of this problem is to work on your precepts to reduce the desire or to work on your desire and you would keep the precepts naturally.

    So regarding the way to lead a peaceful and happy life you would find no different if you follow christian commandments or Buddha precepts.

    “The Scriptures are filled with examples of greed and its consequences. Way back in Isaiah’s time, for instance, it was Israel’s leaders who sacrificed the good of their own people in the name of greed. Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter. (Isaiah 56:11)”

    One could not say, that it is not possible to lead a peaceful life without hurting others and one self. For sure it is not easy, because it is not easy to overcome desire. But all wise man advice people that this is the way to peace.

    One can develop his virtue and will reduce on this way desire, or he can reduce desire and will gain virtue naturally. Having reduced greed and desire, one leads a peaceful life and does not hurt other.
    If you like fun, you need to hurt. If you like pleasure, you need to hurt. Being at peace and realizing that pleasure does not lead to your own peace as it does not provide peace for others, you would not seek for fun and pleasure. You would enjoy what you get and what you have, being satisfied by real peace and happiness.

    So it is nonsense to argue in this way and use doctrines of wise man to legitimate ones incapacity and attachments (desire and greed as well as hatred)

    [/quote]

    #351704
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    bowang
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    i merely said carnal man is naturally self serving. he is inclined to do what makes him feel good. we are animal in that sense. to think otherwise is misleading to the self. the basis of my argument is that man is inherently evil. so if man is inherently evil due to the fall or separation from God, it is impossible for him to attain salvation out of his own accord. i made this clear in the other thread about mother and father part 2. if one is brought up all his life in a culture of corruption, brought up by thieves, that is all he is going to know. if he somehow is able to turn away on his own, it is not of his own power or will but it comes from higher Source. God is not the one to blame for mans selfishness. however, God should be given all credit for mans salvation because the only other option is death.

    #351714
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    i am who i am. i created myself. bowang is my avatar in this realm known as KC of a lower digital dimension or consciousness. bowang reflects me, a person living in southern california. i am the creator typing my thoughts into the internet manifested by this screen name bowang.

    [i]Originally posted by khemrin[/i]

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by bowang[/i]
    ask and i will answer. i wont make it too long. i’ll try to keep it short and fun.

    [/quote]

    #351733
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    Yes, you like to be a creator but don’t listen to god. You turn your ideas strait to your desire, but dont give them up to realize god.

    One moment a creator one who have a possibility (when desire is present) and one moment guided and dependent on god (when incapacity is present).

    So what of both?
    Dont worry, you would die in any way. Its up to you if your next existence is heaven or hell.

    [Message last modified 09-24-2011 04:56am by hanzze]

    #351723
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    bowang
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    actually, i was answering agents question about who created me. i gave him a fun answer to which i hope he appreciate it. it is my attempt at explaining the concept of an avatar. it has its purpose even if you dont find it funny.

    #351742
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    So what is the nature of fun?
    What is its origin?
    What its effects?

    *smile*

    #351749
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    bowang
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    you do realize i am who i am is the name of God, my creator. i hope that helps..

    #351760
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    bowang
    Participant

    you need to get out and smell the roses. take your saffron robe and burn it, put on some true religion jeans since you are a buddhist, go to the club, just for the experience. that is fun. experiencing life, living life in the moment. that is fun. for me it is physical, emotional, and intellectual. i have fun with my wife and kids. i have fun when i learn things. i have fun when i am responding to you.

    #351770
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    If you count the time, how much of it is a funny time and how much is a time of suffering, doubt, grieving, pain, unsatisfactory?

    So how much time to you spend on working and hardship to gain how much time of fun? Try to answer honest, you just cheat your self.

    Jesus had wear a robe and did not advice you to put on jeans.

    [Message last modified 09-24-2011 05:16am by hanzze]

    #351777
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    bowang
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    there are many moments of suffering, doubt, painful grief, no man but God can understand and console me. that is why i am a true believer because i jumped into the abyss in hopelessness but instead of death i landed in the water of life not of my own doing. that is why i call it Grace. so i understand life is not easy, a major part of it is suffering but there is love. love is absolute fun. a moment of love is worth a million lifetime of loneliness. a moment of life is greater than an eons of death. yet we are offered an eternity with Christ but many are refusing it. to me this is the greatest suffering there is.

    [i]Originally posted by hanzze[/i]
    If you count the time, how much of it is a funny time and how much is a time of suffering, doubt, grieving, pain, unsatisfactory?

    So how much time to you spend on working and hardship to gain how much time of fun? Try to answer honest, you just cheat your self.

    #351786
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    khemrin
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    I simply asked you: Who created you? P Lease don’t maker it any more difficult. :)

    [i]Originally posted by bowang[/i]
    i am who i am. i created myself. bowang is my avatar in this realm known as KC of a lower digital dimension or consciousness. bowang reflects me, a person living in southern california. i am the creator typing my thoughts into the internet manifested by this screen name bowang.

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by khemrin[/i]

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by bowang[/i]
    ask and i will answer. i wont make it too long. i’ll try to keep it short and fun.

    [/quote]
    [/quote]

    #351796
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    bowang
    Participant

    and i simply said I AM WHO I AM, i cant get anymore more simpler than that. next question please…

    #351805
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    Carrying a Rock

    “Letting go” actually means this: It’s as if we’re carrying a heavy rock. As we carry it, we feel weighed down but we don’t know what to do with it, so we keep on carrying it. As soon as someone tells us to throw it away, we think, “Eh? If I throw it away, I won’t have anything left.” So we keep on carrying it. We aren’t willing to throw it away.

    Even if someone tells us, “Come on. Throw it away. It’ll be good like this, and you’ll benefit like that,” we’re still not willing to throw it away because we’re afraid we won’t have anything left. So we keep on carrying it until we’re so thoroughly weak and tired that we can’t carry it anymore. That’s when we let it go.

    Only when we let it go do we understand letting go. We feel at ease. And we can sense within ourselves how heavy it felt to carry the rock. But while we were carrying it, we didn’t know at all how useful letting go could be.

    Somebody carrying a rock can be called a real believe, that is right. Let it go and seek for understanding as there is no suffering, no doubt, no pain and no grief any more. Only by letting go we are able to see the truth, to understand the meaning of god. It is not a picture, a believe or idea. It is transzendent understanding that comes from letting go.

    [i]Originally posted by bowang[/i]
    there are many moments of suffering, doubt, painful grief, no man but God can understand and console me. that is why i am a true believer because i jumped into the abyss in hopelessness but instead of death i landed in the water of life not of my own doing. that is why i call it Grace. so i understand life is not easy, a major part of it is suffering but there is love. love is absolute fun. a moment of love is worth a million lifetime of loneliness. a moment of life is greater than an eons of death. yet we are offered an eternity with Christ but many are refusing it. to me this is the greatest suffering there is.

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by hanzze[/i]
    If you count the time, how much of it is a funny time and how much is a time of suffering, doubt, grieving, pain, unsatisfactory?

    So how much time to you spend on working and hardship to gain how much time of fun? Try to answer honest, you just cheat your self.

    [/quote]

    #351813
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    Anonymous

    Who are you?

    Your body, is that you?

    Your mind, is that you?

    Or are your desires, ideas, that what you grasp you? Who would you be if you own nothing? Whould it be still you?

    What are you?

    [i]Originally posted by bowang[/i]
    and i simply said I AM WHO I AM, i cant get anymore more simpler than that. next question please…

    #351823
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    bowang
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    i am sitting here getting ready to go to work and my 2 kids are up playing next to me. i am a real person with a heart, with attachment, who have sinned. i am far from perfect. i have many flaws. and i will accept that. i can not simply leave my worldly responsibilities like the buddha, and walk a way, letting go as you stated. there is no need to do so after christ was resurrected. i will take my effort to the grave, there is a khmer saying, “hien si, hien song”. it is a commitment. letting go, taking the easy way out, that is not my style.

    #351831
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    I heard rumour you went through your sister drawers to sniff her panties.

    If I convert myself to be a Christian, can I do that too?

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