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  • #351613
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    [i]Originally posted by bowang[/i]
    just for fun. many of the forums out there esp conspiracy forums, there is always an ask me a question thread. its intended to be fun. its an experiment. anything might happen.

    So it was the sense desire. It is a good sample, that sense desire leads to rebirth and various kinds of suffering. *smile*

    As we see, we can not have pleasure without having others on the other hand who feel unpleasant out of it. So the battle goes on again. Once pleasure (fun) is always for the sake of others pain.

    So I ask you one more question. How to overcome this problem?

    Not caring for one self, hurts one self.
    Not caring for others, hurts others and one self in return.
    Not caring for both has the same effects.

    Could we have pleasure without the pain of others?

    #351621
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    What’s a ‘bowang’?

    #351629
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    everything is interconnected. as you stated, ones desire my lead to another pain but ones desire may also lead to another happiness. to dwell on such a correlation is pointless i think because every ripple does impact another one somewhere else. what you do here impacts the heavens. to dwell on such a thing doesnt bring forth real objective fruits because its just simply too much for one simple man to handle. it is like the mind running in loops when trying to figure these things out. the eventual result is not good. a waste of time even psychosis.

    what is important is to separate your desire from another pain or happiness. your free will is yours even if things does connect infinitely in the bigger picture. therefore you are an individual and not part of the collective. as a person, you are then able to commit to a responsibility that is between you and the truth or God. so in this sense things become more personal and you are accountable for your own desire, action, and happiness. i think this is a God given right.

    #351640
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    bowang is the missing link the evolutionists are looking for.

    [i]Originally posted by agent0o5[/i]
    What’s a ‘bowang’?

    #351650
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    Well if we take a deeper look of the 9 + 10th Commandment of God, we could find the answer as well as we could find it in the 5 precepts.

    Not lying and not stealing.

    Sensual pleasure leads to need lies and to steal (take what is not given, not destined for you, more than you really need).

    Talking something that is not true is stealing the truth and is lying.

    Making a fun, needs to steal the peace from others. If you make a fun on your neighbor, you need to tell a lie or you need to steal his reputation.
    So to make your self better as your neighbor, you need to steal his reputation. Without stealing his reputation or telling a lie you could not be bigger as you neighbor.
    So the problem is the greed, the desire. When ever you desire to fun or pleasure you need to steal or to ly. No way to have pleasure without breaking commandments or precepts.

    So one way to get out of this problem is to work on your precepts to reduce the desire or to work on your desire and you would keep the precepts naturally.

    So regarding the way to lead a peaceful and happy life you would find no different if you follow christian commandments or Buddha precepts.

    “The Scriptures are filled with examples of greed and its consequences. Way back in Isaiah’s time, for instance, it was Israel’s leaders who sacrificed the good of their own people in the name of greed. Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter. (Isaiah 56:11)”

    One could not say, that it is not possible to lead a peaceful life without hurting others and one self. For sure it is not easy, because it is not easy to overcome desire. But all wise man advice people that this is the way to peace.

    One can develop his virtue and will reduce on this way desire, or he can reduce desire and will gain virtue naturally. Having reduced greed and desire, one leads a peaceful life and does not hurt other.
    If you like fun, you need to hurt. If you like pleasure, you need to hurt. Being at peace and realizing that pleasure does not lead to your own peace as it does not provide peace for others, you would not seek for fun and pleasure. You would enjoy what you get and what you have, being satisfied by real peace and happiness.

    So it is nonsense to argue in this way and use doctrines of wise man to legitimate ones incapacity and attachments (desire and greed as well as hatred)

    #351658
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    Are you trying to say a bowang is a specie inferior to the human race?

    [i]Originally posted by bowang[/i]
    bowang is the missing link the evolutionists are looking for.

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by agent0o5[/i]
    What’s a ‘bowang’?

    [/quote]

    #351667
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    i think it’s self serving to think that you could limit desire out of your own will. perhaps a long time ago when we were closer to the source and sin was not as rampant. the foundation of being a christian is admitting that there is desire and sin is overwhelming and that we cannot escape it out of our own free will. we need God to help us. that is why we believe in Christ. by your definition, one needs to almost be a hermit, be a monk, who desires in secret, in order to limit ones own carnality. even as the buddha ran off due to his desire to be enlightened his wife and kid suffered. and that was the buddha, what about the simple man? i would like to think that God is a thoughtful father who created the world for his children to have some bit of fun even if it can be rough sometimes..

    [i]Originally posted by hanzze[/i]
    Well if we take a deeper look of the 9 + 10th Commandment of God, we could find the answer as well as we could find it in the 5 precepts.

    Not lying and not stealing.

    Sensual pleasure leads to need lies and to steal (take what is not given, not destined for you, more than you really need).

    Talking something that is not true is stealing the truth and is lying.

    Making a fun, needs to steal the peace from others. If you make a fun on your neighbor, you need to tell a lie or you need to steal his reputation.
    So to make your self better as your neighbor, you need to steal his reputation. Without stealing his reputation or telling a lie you could not be bigger as you neighbor.
    So the problem is the greed, the desire. When ever you desire to fun or pleasure you need to steal or to ly. No way to have pleasure without breaking commandments or precepts.

    So one way to get out of this problem is to work on your precepts to reduce the desire or to work on your desire and you would keep the precepts naturally.

    So regarding the way to lead a peaceful and happy life you would find no different if you follow christian commandments or Buddha precepts.

    “The Scriptures are filled with examples of greed and its consequences. Way back in Isaiah’s time, for instance, it was Israel’s leaders who sacrificed the good of their own people in the name of greed. Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter. (Isaiah 56:11)”

    One could not say, that it is not possible to lead a peaceful life without hurting others and one self. For sure it is not easy, because it is not easy to overcome desire. But all wise man advice people that this is the way to peace.

    One can develop his virtue and will reduce on this way desire, or he can reduce desire and will gain virtue naturally. Having reduced greed and desire, one leads a peaceful life and does not hurt other.
    If you like fun, you need to hurt. If you like pleasure, you need to hurt. Being at peace and realizing that pleasure does not lead to your own peace as it does not provide peace for others, you would not seek for fun and pleasure. You would enjoy what you get and what you have, being satisfied by real peace and happiness.

    So it is nonsense to argue in this way and use doctrines of wise man to legitimate ones incapacity and attachments (desire and greed as well as hatred)

    #351676
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    bowang
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    more like i am Caesar..

    [i]Originally posted by agent0o5[/i]
    Are you trying to say a bowang is a specie inferior to the human race?

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by bowang[/i]
    bowang is the missing link the evolutionists are looking for.

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by agent0o5[/i]
    What’s a ‘bowang’?

    [/quote]
    [/quote]

    #351686
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    khemrin
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    [i]Originally posted by bowang[/i]
    ask and i will answer. i wont make it too long. i’ll try to keep it short and fun.

    #351695
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    Buddhas wife reached sainthood and his son enlightenment. This suffering what you tell is like the suffering when you need to work that you get a loan. That is natural.
    Even so with virtue, moral and desire. For sure it is good to have good advices, but actually you are the one who can say, “NO, i am only greedy, I don not really need it”
    If you compare your mindfulness with god, then yes, you need god to work on your desire. To call it is not my fault to be greedy it is gods fault, because he does not help me out of my greed, is more than a strange argument.

    Nobody else forces you to steel and god also did not say that I will make you follow the precepts, I told “Follow them, keep them.”

    So even here it is up to you to walk the right way. If it would be like you told, that god is the one who gives you desire or greed he would be a bloody sadist. Do you really think so? That is nothing else than a excuse of an excuse…

    Start to think, who turns of the PC and who writes? Who orders food, how steals? God? I don’t think so.

    [i]Originally posted by bowang[/i]
    i think it’s self serving to think that you could limit desire out of your own will. perhaps a long time ago when we were closer to the source and sin was not as rampant. the foundation of being a christian is admitting that there is desire and sin is overwhelming and that we cannot escape it out of our own free will. we need God to help us. that is why we believe in Christ. by your definition, one needs to almost be a hermit, be a monk, who desires in secret, in order to limit ones own carnality. even as the buddha ran off due to his desire to be enlightened his wife and kid suffered. and that was the buddha, what about the simple man? i would like to think that God is a thoughtful father who created the world for his children to have some bit of fun even if it can be rough sometimes..

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    [i]Originally posted by hanzze[/i]
    Well if we take a deeper look of the 9 + 10th Commandment of God, we could find the answer as well as we could find it in the 5 precepts.

    Not lying and not stealing.

    Sensual pleasure leads to need lies and to steal (take what is not given, not destined for you, more than you really need).

    Talking something that is not true is stealing the truth and is lying.

    Making a fun, needs to steal the peace from others. If you make a fun on your neighbor, you need to tell a lie or you need to steal his reputation.
    So to make your self better as your neighbor, you need to steal his reputation. Without stealing his reputation or telling a lie you could not be bigger as you neighbor.
    So the problem is the greed, the desire. When ever you desire to fun or pleasure you need to steal or to ly. No way to have pleasure without breaking commandments or precepts.

    So one way to get out of this problem is to work on your precepts to reduce the desire or to work on your desire and you would keep the precepts naturally.

    So regarding the way to lead a peaceful and happy life you would find no different if you follow christian commandments or Buddha precepts.

    “The Scriptures are filled with examples of greed and its consequences. Way back in Isaiah’s time, for instance, it was Israel’s leaders who sacrificed the good of their own people in the name of greed. Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter. (Isaiah 56:11)”

    One could not say, that it is not possible to lead a peaceful life without hurting others and one self. For sure it is not easy, because it is not easy to overcome desire. But all wise man advice people that this is the way to peace.

    One can develop his virtue and will reduce on this way desire, or he can reduce desire and will gain virtue naturally. Having reduced greed and desire, one leads a peaceful life and does not hurt other.
    If you like fun, you need to hurt. If you like pleasure, you need to hurt. Being at peace and realizing that pleasure does not lead to your own peace as it does not provide peace for others, you would not seek for fun and pleasure. You would enjoy what you get and what you have, being satisfied by real peace and happiness.

    So it is nonsense to argue in this way and use doctrines of wise man to legitimate ones incapacity and attachments (desire and greed as well as hatred)

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