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    I thought so (regarding Carl), the first wave of Buddha Dhamma was more a Hindu thing *smile* Some even take there logo modified it a little an walked out for a different kind of missionary. Pretty dangerous such mixes. Therefore many wise man in the past wanted there disciples to let go of old concepts first before they would introduce them to some new stuff.

    So the west got east and the east got west. Some important things git lost in between.

    Its like the man attracted to the wife and the wife attracted to the men. Always more attractive as to understand and except one self first. Now let us strive for aggregation… we would not that busy with our self. *smile*

    Its like in Cambodia, you will not easy find a monk who does not study some “Train your mind books” of some western psychologists or “You can” – magician. Even the treasure is some meters next to them. It doesn’t seems good, as it does not fit to the wrong views. *smile*

    If some very first discoveries of Buddhism in the west of the last century are useful to make a little step into it, is it a great thing. We love to make our own philosophies, it keeps us existing and gives us a feeling of unity of or self. So it can grow.

    Wish you didn’t not fall into to much worry and seriousness already *smile*

    #352880
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    Fuddyduddy
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    [i]Originally posted by hanzze[/i]
    I thought so (regarding Carl), the first wave of Buddha Dhamma was more a Hindu thing *smile* Some even take there logo modified it a little an walked out for a different kind of missionary. Pretty dangerous such mixes. Therefore many wise man in the past wanted there disciples to let go of old concepts first before they would introduce them to some new stuff.

    So the west got east and the east got west. Some important things git lost in between.

    Its like the man attracted to the wife and the wife attracted to the men. Always more attractive as to understand and except one self first. Now let us strive for aggregation… we would not that busy with our self. *smile*

    Its like in Cambodia, you will not easy find a monk who does not study some “Train your mind books” of some western psychologists or “You can” – magician. Even the treasure is some meters next to them. It doesn’t seems good, as it does not fit to the wrong views. *smile*

    If some very first discoveries of Buddhism in the west of the last century are useful to make a little step into it, is it a great thing. We love to make our own philosophies, it keeps us existing and gives us a feeling of unity of or self. So it can grow.

    Wish you didn’t not fall into to much worry and seriousness already *smile*

    I must applaud you for actually responding with something understandable, I hope you keep it that way, it’s easier to communicate with. There has probably been many things lost in Buddhism since the Buddhas death. Buddhism suffers the same thing Christianity does, and that is decaying of its teachings. The Pali Cannon, like Jesus words, the pali cannon aren’t the direct words of the Buddha, but past down oral recites of Buddhas teaching, as well as teachings of his disciple, and not to mentioned that it was written after 300years after his death, I’m sure a lot of truths were lost in the translation. So please don’t consider any sort of Buddhist doctrine taught by a Buddhist to be the actual words of Buddha. It goes for everything else, either Carl Jung, or Jesus, or Plato, nothing is absolute things change when you’re playing the telephone game.

    Find out for yourself what is truth, what is real. Discover that there are virtuous things and there are non-virtuous things. Once you have discovered for yourself give up the bad and embrace the good.

    #352890
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    Thanks for your compassionate words *smile*, well it is not about that there are words missing but it is more that we have a lot of preconception to word. And for the quote, the Dhamma (truth, god…) is to be found in one self you are right. But to enter this point, one needs somebody who makes him seeing his own defilement.
    You can not trust your self all the time, that might change if one enters the stream. *smile*

    Just be mindful, it not about words.

    #352899
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    bowang
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    God’s plan is perfect, if there is a fall, there must also be ascension. so when adam and eve ate from the tree of knowledge. God already knew and seeded the tree of life into adams own lineage. during those spiritual time, the plan of salvation was even told, written in the stars to adam and passed down to his children. you have the zodiac telling the story of the virgin birth and ending with leo. you have the great sphinx pointing to israel, with the head of a woman and the body of a lion reminding the world of the start and end of the prophecies, this is the great mystery solved. the builders were preserving the story of Christ, without even knowing it, simply passing it down through their secret inner circle. the story of christ, the prophecies were passed down and eventually diluted to different messianic myths throughout the many great civilizations. what you know as, vedic knowledge, gnosticism, science stemmed from the corruption of the one true knowledge, that of the Holy Spirit. so when you notice the similarities, it is because everything came from Christ who was there at the beginning and also at the end.

    #352932
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    [i]Originally posted by hanzze[/i]
    Thanks for your compassionate words *smile*, well it is not about that there are words missing but it is more that we have a lot of preconception to word. And for the quote, the Dhamma (truth, god…) is to be found in one self you are right. But to enter this point, one needs somebody who makes him seeing his own defilement.
    You can not trust your self all the time, that might change if one enters the stream. *smile*

    Just be mindful, it not about words.

    The quote is from the Buddha. It wasn’t to argue anything, it was to see a point.

    “Well it is not about that there are words missing but it is more that we have a lot of preconception to word” “Just be mindful, it not about words”.

    Exactly, so the chain of preconception of Buddhas words decays the teachings.It’s called interpretation. If it is not for words and language, would you understand what you are thinking, or can you convey to me an idea, or thought? Language helps manifest and communicate thought, A change in language can transform our apprehension of the Cosmos.

    [Message last modified 10-11-2011 05:17am by Fuddyduddy]

    #352907
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    bowang
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    i didnt come up with this but he wanted people to spread the knowledge and i am doing my part to the khmer people.

    http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/28871-greatest-geographic-evidence-world-has-ever-known-5.html#post563196

    the guy who recently discovered this, is a genius. he must have gotten it from God. this is mind blowing stuff. those with eyes and ears, hear and see. one of the mysteries revealed.

    .

    [Message last modified 10-11-2011 05:13am by bowang]

    #352919
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    [i]Originally posted by bowang[/i]
    God’s plan is perfect, if there is a fall, there must also be ascension. so when adam and eve ate from the tree of knowledge. God already knew and seeded the tree of life into adams own lineage. during those spiritual time, the plan of salvation was even told, written in the stars to adam and passed down to his children. you have the zodiac telling the story of the virgin birth and ending with leo. you have the great sphinx pointing to israel, with the head of a woman and the body of a lion reminding the world of the start and end of the prophecies, this is the great mystery solved. the builders were preserving the story of Christ, without even knowing it, simply passing it down through their secret inner circle. the story of christ, the prophecies were passed down and eventually diluted to different messianic myths throughout the many great civilizations. what you know as, vedic knowledge, gnosticism, science stemmed from the corruption of the one true knowledge, that of the Holy Spirit. so when you notice the similarities, it is because everything came from Christ who was there at the beginning and also at the end.

    Boooowang, I was waiting nearly a day, full of excitement of your proposal to enlighten us with your achievements when you have time at night. Now this… That was not the last thing we had talked about.

    Please more effort even it is hard sometimes! *smile*

    #352943
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    [i]Originally posted by bowang[/i]
    i didnt come up with this but he wanted people to spread the knowledge and i am doing my part to the khmer people.

    http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/28871-greatest-geographic-evidence-world-has-ever-known-5.html#post563196

    the guy who recently discovered this, is a genius. he must have gotten it from God. this is mind blowing stuff. those with eyes and ears, hear and see. one of the mysteries revealed.

    Ohhh, I guess it is not our choice if we are capable to understand or to believe. You know he did not made us to understand. Don’t know why *smile* Maybe to show his compassion in doing some extraordinary. What sense would a god make if all are happy, well and united.

    So is he a genius or is it given by God? Who acts?

    #352954
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    bowang
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    until next time. gnight.

    #352964
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    [i]Originally posted by Fuddyduddy[/i]
    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by hanzze[/i]
    Thanks for your compassionate words *smile*, well it is not about that there are words missing but it is more that we have a lot of preconception to word. And for the quote, the Dhamma (truth, god…) is to be found in one self you are right. But to enter this point, one needs somebody who makes him seeing his own defilement.
    You can not trust your self all the time, that might change if one enters the stream. *smile*

    Just be mindful, it not about words.

    The quote is from the Buddha. It wasn’t to argue anything, it was to see a point.

    “Well it is not about that there are words missing but it is more that we have a lot of preconception to word” “Just be mindful, it not about words”.

    Exactly, so the chain of preconception of Buddhas words decays the teachings.It’s called interpretation. If it is not for words and language, would you understand what you are thinking, or can you convey to me an idea, or thought? Language helps manifest and communicate thought, A change in language can transform our apprehension of the Cosmos.

    [Message last modified 10-11-2011 05:17am by Fuddyduddy][/quote]

    Today that is called spiritual materialism. I guess it is normal that we look at the hand rather than to look where the finger is pointing to.
    The special thing at Dhamma is that there is nothing special and everybody who proves sayings by one self would see if they are right or wrong.
    So it is not possible the change the Dhamma in any way. It might be that there a fogy times, but if there are clouds, it does not mean, that there is no sun behind.

    A change in language is a manifest of consciousness. Who cars about language and words today? So how would it be possible to understand.

    I could not find any real different in reading different translations of some suttas. The message is the same. People can write books of comparison of two translations. What ever we choose to do when we are bored.

    #352974
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    Fuddyduddy
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    [i]Originally posted by hanzze[/i]

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Fuddyduddy[/i]
    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by hanzze[/i]
    Thanks for your compassionate words *smile*, well it is not about that there are words missing but it is more that we have a lot of preconception to word. And for the quote, the Dhamma (truth, god…) is to be found in one self you are right. But to enter this point, one needs somebody who makes him seeing his own defilement.
    You can not trust your self all the time, that might change if one enters the stream. *smile*

    Just be mindful, it not about words.

    The quote is from the Buddha. It wasn’t to argue anything, it was to see a point.

    “Well it is not about that there are words missing but it is more that we have a lot of preconception to word” “Just be mindful, it not about words”.

    Exactly, so the chain of preconception of Buddhas words decays the teachings.It’s called interpretation. If it is not for words and language, would you understand what you are thinking, or can you convey to me an idea, or thought? Language helps manifest and communicate thought, A change in language can transform our apprehension of the Cosmos.

    [Message last modified 10-11-2011 05:17am by Fuddyduddy][/quote]

    Today that is called spiritual materialism. I guess it is normal that we look at the hand rather than to look where the finger is pointing to.
    The special thing at Dhamma is that there is nothing special and everybody who proves sayings by one self would see if they are right or wrong.
    So it is not possible the change the Dhamma in any way. It might be that there a fogy times, but if there are clouds, it does not mean, that there is no sun behind.

    A change in language is a manifest of consciousness. Who cars about language and words today? So how would it be possible to understand.

    I could not find any real different in reading different translations of some suttas. The message is the same. People can write books of comparison of two translations. What ever we choose to do when we are bored. [/quote]

    “Today that is called spiritual materialism. I guess it is normal that we look at the hand rather than to look where the finger is pointing to.
    The special thing at Dhamma is that there is nothing special and everybody who proves sayings by one self would see if they are right or wrong.
    So it is not possible the change the Dhamma in any way. It might be that there a fogy times, but if there are clouds, it does not mean, that there is no sun behind.”

    What does this have anything to do with the question?

    “A change in language is a manifest of consciousness. Who cars about language and words today? So how would it be possible to understand.”

    “I could not find any real different in reading different translations of some suttas. The message is the same. People can write books of comparison of two translations. What ever we choose to do when we are bored.”

    The reply was to your response “It’s not about words” You don’t seem to understand what I am implying when I state that language is important. The difference between man and other primates is not a physiological difference it’s a difference in our behavior. Language represents the most complex behavior and certainly it’s the most complex thing any of us ever learns to do.

    We’re born into confusion but by the acquisition of words, we organize that confusion into something coherent. We replace the unknown with the known through the substitution of words of words that is interposed between ourselves and reality. Basically, language is how we create our interpretation of reality. Reality from that point on is only an unconfirmed rumor brought through the medium of language and every culture accentuates different parts of reality so, in a sense every culture is a different reality. The reason you see no difference in the translations is because you already built a language to interpret it with, you already have a basis to understand the conveyed thoughts and meanings.

    Again, my question was to you. Without words and language would you understand these concept and ideas.

    Misinterpretation or understandings of the word ratash from Hebrew. Just this small error causes a huge contradiction and interpretation of the context.

    Though shall not kill,

    Though shall not murder,

    [Message last modified 10-11-2011 06:29am by Fuddyduddy]

    #352985
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    We don’t know the value of killing and murdering at that time. Maybe it has a similar intentions as told by Buddha, willfully (consciously or with the intention to do so) or unwittingly (unaware or with out the intention to do so).

    If your mind is full of defilement you would not get the message of not harming and interpretations reflect very well the consciousness of the interpreter. To more clean, the more simple the more on the right track.

    How ever it is always a question of awareness, mindfulness. We can not transport reality with words, that is a very important point. We can transport a way to gain, to practice awareness and concentration (the tools to experiences reality), not more.

    If somebody thinks that he would find something real in words, he will search long. To find a way to it in words might be possible, therefore one needs saddha (faith out of understanding, or right faith). Believe is nothing else that a agreement with ones own own preconceptions while saddha leads us to move away from our preconceptions.

    I understand what you try to tell me, but its just another excuse. It means nothing else that somebody else had dulled the message. We can only dull or clean or own mind. As long as we don’t see suffering we are not willing to move on.

    Here some other similes, I guess you would like them:

    Written Words

    Stop. Put your scholarly knowledge in a bundle or a trunk. Don’t bring it out to speak. You can’t bring that kind of knowledge into here. Here it’s a new kind of knowledge. When things actually arise, it’s not the same sort of thing.

    It’s like writing the word, “greed.” When greed arises in the heart, it’s not the same as the written word. The same when you’re angry: When you write “anger” on the blackboard, it’s one thing. It’s letters. When it arises in the heart, it’s too fast for you to read anything. It comes up in the heart all at once. This is important. Very important.

    Studying vs. Going into Battle

    There have been some scholarly monks who’ve researched in the texts, who have studied a lot. I tell them to give the meditation a try. This matter of going by the book: When you study, you study in line with the texts, but when you go into battle, you have to go outside of the texts. If you simply fight in line with the texts, you’ll be no match for the enemy. When things get serious, you have to go outside of the texts.

    “In Simple Terms: 108 Dhamma Similes”, by Ajahn Chah, translated from the Thai by Thanissaro Bhikkhu. Access to Insight, 4 April 2011

    I am not sure if the cyberdevas and asuras ever fought the battle with them self already. And I don’t talk about scraping a little on the packing. *smile*

    #352995
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    Fuddyduddy
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    I appreciate the long sentimental reply, but you did not answer the question. You are dancing around the question, “With out language and words would you be able to understand these concept and theories”

    Though you state you understand what I was conveying, but according from your response you still have no idea.

    [i]Originally posted by hanzze[/i]
    We don’t know the value of killing and murdering at that time. Maybe it has a similar intentions as told by Buddha, willfully (consciously or with the intention to do so) or unwittingly (unaware or with out the intention to do so).

    If your mind is full of defilement you would not get the message of not harming and interpretations reflect very well the consciousness of the interpreter. To more clean, the more simple the more on the right track.

    How ever it is always a question of awareness, mindfulness. We can not transport reality with words, that is a very important point. We can transport a way to gain, to practice awareness and concentration (the tools to experiences reality), not more.

    If somebody thinks that he would find something real in words, he will search long. To find a way to it in words might be possible, therefore one needs saddha (faith out of understanding, or right faith). Believe is nothing else that a agreement with ones own own preconceptions while saddha leads us to move away from our preconceptions.

    I understand what you try to tell me, but its just another excuse. It means nothing else that somebody else had dulled the message. We can only dull or clean or own mind. As long as we don’t see suffering we are not willing to move on.

    Here some other similes, I guess you would like them:

    [b]Written Words[/b]

    Stop. Put your scholarly knowledge in a bundle or a trunk. Don’t bring it out to speak. You can’t bring that kind of knowledge into here. Here it’s a new kind of knowledge. When things actually arise, it’s not the same sort of thing.

    It’s like writing the word, “greed.” When greed arises in the heart, it’s not the same as the written word. The same when you’re angry: When you write “anger” on the blackboard, it’s one thing. It’s letters. When it arises in the heart, it’s too fast for you to read anything. It comes up in the heart all at once. This is important. Very important.

    [b]Studying vs. Going into Battle[/b]

    There have been some scholarly monks who’ve researched in the texts, who have studied a lot. I tell them to give the meditation a try. This matter of going by the book: When you study, you study in line with the texts, but when you go into battle, you have to go outside of the texts. If you simply fight in line with the texts, you’ll be no match for the enemy. When things get serious, you have to go outside of the texts.

    [i]“In Simple Terms: 108 Dhamma Similes”, by Ajahn Chah, translated from the Thai by Thanissaro Bhikkhu. Access to Insight, 4 April 2011[/i]

    I am not sure if the cyberdevas and asuras ever fought the battle with them self already. And I don’t talk about scraping a little on the packing. *smile*

    [Message last modified 10-11-2011 08:26am by Fuddyduddy]

    #353004
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    Ohh this terrible language problem… *smile* the is only one place where one can understand nature and truth and that is the mind (somebody point at the heart). That is why it is called insight. Words are only to make one start to be mindful. Zen monks used sticks.

    What ever makes you more aware leads to mindfulness, leads to concentration and to an amount of right view. That is why it is called right view and not right word or right knowledge.

    here another simile for you:

    The Heart Its Own Teacher

    Each of us here is the same. We’re no different from one another. We have no teacher at present — for if you’re going to awaken to the Dhamma, the heart has to teach itself. If it doesn’t teach itself, then no matter how much you have other people teach you, it won’t listen, it won’t understand. The heart itself has to be the teacher.

    It’s not easy for us to see ourselves. It’s hard. So think about this a little bit. We’ve all done evil. Now that we’re old, we should stop. Make it lighter. Make it less. There’s really nothing else. This is all there is. Turn your minds in the direction of virtue.

    #353013
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    cheakrisna
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    not sure if it’s been asked, but when is the end of the world? was it Dec 21 2012? i wonder if your belief has changed or what you’ve said many years back still remains true?

    [i]Originally posted by bowang[/i]
    ask and i will answer. i wont make it too long. i’ll try to keep it short and fun.

    #353024
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    Harold camping say it this month..after taken million from other and non refundable..

    This guy is dying and just. Looking for a name for himself after he is gone..for good or bad.

    2012 is a mayan calendar..it doesnt say Jesus calendar..lol

    Btw Christ does have a bday date..it only presuming..2000 years later it assume still..

    [i]Originally posted by cheakrisna[/i]
    not sure if it’s been asked, but when is the end of the world? was it Dec 21 2012? i wonder if your belief has changed or what you’ve said many years back still remains true?

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by bowang[/i]
    ask and i will answer. i wont make it too long. i’ll try to keep it short and fun.

    [/quote]

    [Message last modified 10-11-2011 05:38pm by PhnomKlarSar]

    #353036
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    bowang
    Participant

    the great civilizations had occult knowledge. these knowledge came from fallen angels or aliens. they built huge structures with the help of nephilims. we have the the egyptian pyramids, mayan pyramids, and i suspect even our own ancient khmer pyramids influenced by these beings. all of the great structures have astrological importance pointing to the procession of the earth with the sun and the galaxy. these knowledge were out of this world. i think this infamous dec 21 2012 date is implanted in everyone of the great monuments as a signature of the power behind its construction. this date has a significant for the fallen angels. maybe its a time they have been waiting for to reveal themselves to the world setting up their new tower of babel, this new age, new world order which i think is truly evil…

    [i]Originally posted by cheakrisna[/i]
    not sure if it’s been asked, but when is the end of the world? was it Dec 21 2012? i wonder if your belief has changed or what you’ve said many years back still remains true?

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by bowang[/i]
    ask and i will answer. i wont make it too long. i’ll try to keep it short and fun.

    [/quote]

    [Message last modified 10-12-2011 06:01am by bowang]

    #353048
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    bowang
    Participant

    hanzze doesnt know how to get jiggy with it. its all too foreign to him. he’s not dancing around the bush on purpose. he’s just very confused, making his rounds. he doesnt have the language capacity to understand what you’re talking about because he’s “un-educate” in the intellectual sense. but instead of admitting his own ignorance, that maybe he doesnt have the foundation to grasp many of the other realms of knowledge out there, he pretends to know, to makes himself feel better by speaking in buddhist mumbo jumbo occasionally copying and pasting some more mumbo jumbo, hoping to just slip by and gain support from the other blind buddhist followers. oddly enough, i have yet to encounter on kc or anywhere else, a coherent or wise buddhist willing to get out of his comfort zone. not sure if they even realize it. the dalai lama for example said some nasty things about communist china recently when a few months ago supported marxist ideals. from my observation, many buddhists are simply intellectually dishonest. i may not agree with rasy on everything but you could understand him. i may not support all of your drug induced philosophy but you’re not a snake and i appreciate it.

    [i]Originally posted by Fuddyduddy[/i]
    I appreciate the long sentimental reply, but you did not answer the question. You are dancing around the question, “With out language and words would you be able to understand these concept and theories”

    Though you state you understand what I was conveying, but according from your response you still have no idea.

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by hanzze[/i]
    We don’t know the value of killing and murdering at that time. Maybe it has a similar intentions as told by Buddha, willfully (consciously or with the intention to do so) or unwittingly (unaware or with out the intention to do so).

    If your mind is full of defilement you would not get the message of not harming and interpretations reflect very well the consciousness of the interpreter. To more clean, the more simple the more on the right track.

    How ever it is always a question of awareness, mindfulness. We can not transport reality with words, that is a very important point. We can transport a way to gain, to practice awareness and concentration (the tools to experiences reality), not more.

    If somebody thinks that he would find something real in words, he will search long. To find a way to it in words might be possible, therefore one needs saddha (faith out of understanding, or right faith). Believe is nothing else that a agreement with ones own own preconceptions while saddha leads us to move away from our preconceptions.

    I understand what you try to tell me, but its just another excuse. It means nothing else that somebody else had dulled the message. We can only dull or clean or own mind. As long as we don’t see suffering we are not willing to move on.

    Here some other similes, I guess you would like them:

    [b]Written Words[/b]

    Stop. Put your scholarly knowledge in a bundle or a trunk. Don’t bring it out to speak. You can’t bring that kind of knowledge into here. Here it’s a new kind of knowledge. When things actually arise, it’s not the same sort of thing.

    It’s like writing the word, “greed.” When greed arises in the heart, it’s not the same as the written word. The same when you’re angry: When you write “anger” on the blackboard, it’s one thing. It’s letters. When it arises in the heart, it’s too fast for you to read anything. It comes up in the heart all at once. This is important. Very important.

    [b]Studying vs. Going into Battle[/b]

    There have been some scholarly monks who’ve researched in the texts, who have studied a lot. I tell them to give the meditation a try. This matter of going by the book: When you study, you study in line with the texts, but when you go into battle, you have to go outside of the texts. If you simply fight in line with the texts, you’ll be no match for the enemy. When things get serious, you have to go outside of the texts.

    [i]“In Simple Terms: 108 Dhamma Similes”, by Ajahn Chah, translated from the Thai by Thanissaro Bhikkhu. Access to Insight, 4 April 2011[/i]

    I am not sure if the cyberdevas and asuras ever fought the battle with them self already. And I don’t talk about scraping a little on the packing. *smile*

    [Message last modified 10-11-2011 08:26am by Fuddyduddy][/quote]

    [Message last modified 10-12-2011 06:43am by bowang]

    #353056
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    Sure *smile*

    Verse 63: The fool who knows that he is a fool can, for that reason, be a wise man; but the fool who thinks that he is wise is, indeed, called a fool.

    The Story of Two Pick-Pockets

    While residing at the Jetavana monastery, the Buddha uttered Verse (63) of this book, with reference to two pick-pockets.

    On one occasion, two pick-pockets joined a group of lay-disciples going to the Jetavana monastery, where the Buddha was giving a discourse. One of them listened attentively to the discourse and soon attained Sotapatti Fruition. However, the second thief did not attend to the discourse as he was bent on stealing only; and he managed to snatch a small sum of money from one of the lay-disciples. After the discourse they went back and cooked their meal at the house of the second thief, the one who managed to get some money. The wife of the second thief taunted the first thief, “You are so wise, you don’t even have anything to cook at your house.” Hearing this remark, the first thief thought to himself, “This one is so foolish that she thinks she is being very smart.” Then, together with some relatives, he went to the Buddha and related the matter to him.

    To the man, the Buddha spoke in verse as follows:

    Verse 63: The fool who knows that he is a fool can, for that reason, be a wise man; but the fool who thinks that he is wise is, indeed, called a fool.

    At the end of the discourse, all the relatives of the man attained Sotapatti Fruition.

    #353065
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    I bet you watch much movies, like “Lord of the Rings” and so on *smile* Did you know that watching TV shortens lifetime?

    [i]Originally posted by bowang[/i]
    the great civilizations had occult knowledge. these knowledge came from fallen angels or aliens. they built huge structures with the help of nephilims. we have the the egyptian pyramids, mayan pyramids, and i suspect even our own ancient khmer pyramids influenced by these beings. all of the great structures have astrological importance pointing to the procession of the earth with the sun and the galaxy. these knowledge were out of this world. i think this infamous dec 21 2012 date is implanted in everyone of the great monuments as a signature of the power behind its construction. this date has a significant for the fallen angels. maybe its a time they have been waiting for to reveal themselves to the world setting up their new tower of babel, this new age, new world order which i think is truly evil…

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    [i]Originally posted by cheakrisna[/i]
    not sure if it’s been asked, but when is the end of the world? was it Dec 21 2012? i wonder if your belief has changed or what you’ve said many years back still remains true?

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    [i]Originally posted by bowang[/i]
    ask and i will answer. i wont make it too long. i’ll try to keep it short and fun.

    [/quote]

    [Message last modified 10-12-2011 06:01am by bowang][/quote]

    #353075
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    khemrin
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    Bowang,

    These fallen angels look more like Jesus than you. I bet God did not create you. Because God said he created in his own image. :D

    [i]Originally posted by bowang[/i]
    the great civilizations had occult knowledge. these knowledge came from fallen angels or aliens. they built huge structures with the help of nephilims. we have the the egyptian pyramids, mayan pyramids, and i suspect even our own ancient khmer pyramids influenced by these beings. all of the great structures have astrological importance pointing to the procession of the earth with the sun and the galaxy. these knowledge were out of this world. i think this infamous dec 21 2012 date is implanted in everyone of the great monuments as a signature of the power behind its construction. this date has a significant for the fallen angels. maybe its a time they have been waiting for to reveal themselves to the world setting up their new tower of babel, this new age, new world order which i think is truly evil…

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    [i]Originally posted by cheakrisna[/i]
    not sure if it’s been asked, but when is the end of the world? was it Dec 21 2012? i wonder if your belief has changed or what you’ve said many years back still remains true?

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    [i]Originally posted by bowang[/i]
    ask and i will answer. i wont make it too long. i’ll try to keep it short and fun.

    [/quote]

    [Message last modified 10-12-2011 06:01am by bowang][/quote]

    #353087
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    Can you share where was Jesus really born?

    So alien must of build the holy wall right in Jerusalem? It still standing and show no mircle watso to the people..they still fighting and debating who own it..lol…

    [i]Originally posted by bowang[/i]
    the great civilizations had occult knowledge. these knowledge came from fallen angels or aliens. they built huge structures with the help of nephilims. we have the the egyptian pyramids, mayan pyramids, and i suspect even our own ancient khmer pyramids influenced by these beings. all of the great structures have astrological importance pointing to the procession of the earth with the sun and the galaxy. these knowledge were out of this world. i think this infamous dec 21 2012 date is implanted in everyone of the great monuments as a signature of the power behind its construction. this date has a significant for the fallen angels. maybe its a time they have been waiting for to reveal themselves to the world setting up their new tower of babel, this new age, new world order which i think is truly evil…

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    [i]Originally posted by cheakrisna[/i]
    not sure if it’s been asked, but when is the end of the world? was it Dec 21 2012? i wonder if your belief has changed or what you’ve said many years back still remains true?

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by bowang[/i]
    ask and i will answer. i wont make it too long. i’ll try to keep it short and fun.

    [/quote]

    [Message last modified 10-12-2011 06:01am by bowang][/quote]

    #353096
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    it obvious you have a lot of contempt for christianity and my answers will never suffice. instead of asking without any sense of sincerity, why don’t you just google the answers to your questions.

    #353107
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    Oh common buddy…Google Google is not thebanswer to all..

    [i]Originally posted by bowang[/i]
    it obvious you have a lot of contempt for christianity and my answers will never suffice. instead of asking without any sense of sincerity, why don’t you just google the answers to your questions.

    #353116
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    I have another big problem, maybe you can help me out bowang *smile*

    Who create God? Where is it coming from? Who is the creator of the creator?

    #353126
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    I felt no more reason to reply after receiving to many non-relevant rigmarole replies that either contradict his previous statements, or just poppycock rhetorical answers , So, I concluded that he was either acting retarded, or he was retarded, and it looks like it is the ladder.

    [i]Originally posted by bowang[/i]
    hanzze doesnt know how to get jiggy with it. its all too foreign to him. he’s not dancing around the bush on purpose. he’s just very confused, making his rounds. he doesnt have the language capacity to understand what you’re talking about because he’s “un-educate” in the intellectual sense. but instead of admitting his own ignorance, that maybe he doesnt have the foundation to grasp many of the other realms of knowledge out there, he pretends to know, to makes himself feel better by speaking in buddhist mumbo jumbo occasionally copying and pasting some more mumbo jumbo, hoping to just slip by and gain support from the other blind buddhist followers. oddly enough, i have yet to encounter on kc or anywhere else, a coherent or wise buddhist willing to get out of his comfort zone. not sure if they even realize it. the dalai lama for example said some nasty things about communist china recently when a few months ago supported marxist ideals. from my observation, many buddhists are simply intellectually dishonest. i may not agree with rasy on everything but you could understand him. i may not support all of your drug induced philosophy but you’re not a snake and i appreciate it.

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    [i]Originally posted by Fuddyduddy[/i]
    I appreciate the long sentimental reply, but you did not answer the question. You are dancing around the question, “With out language and words would you be able to understand these concept and theories”

    Though you state you understand what I was conveying, but according from your response you still have no idea.

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    [i]Originally posted by hanzze[/i]
    We don’t know the value of killing and murdering at that time. Maybe it has a similar intentions as told by Buddha, willfully (consciously or with the intention to do so) or unwittingly (unaware or with out the intention to do so).

    If your mind is full of defilement you would not get the message of not harming and interpretations reflect very well the consciousness of the interpreter. To more clean, the more simple the more on the right track.

    How ever it is always a question of awareness, mindfulness. We can not transport reality with words, that is a very important point. We can transport a way to gain, to practice awareness and concentration (the tools to experiences reality), not more.

    If somebody thinks that he would find something real in words, he will search long. To find a way to it in words might be possible, therefore one needs saddha (faith out of understanding, or right faith). Believe is nothing else that a agreement with ones own own preconceptions while saddha leads us to move away from our preconceptions.

    I understand what you try to tell me, but its just another excuse. It means nothing else that somebody else had dulled the message. We can only dull or clean or own mind. As long as we don’t see suffering we are not willing to move on.

    Here some other similes, I guess you would like them:

    [b]Written Words[/b]

    Stop. Put your scholarly knowledge in a bundle or a trunk. Don’t bring it out to speak. You can’t bring that kind of knowledge into here. Here it’s a new kind of knowledge. When things actually arise, it’s not the same sort of thing.

    It’s like writing the word, “greed.” When greed arises in the heart, it’s not the same as the written word. The same when you’re angry: When you write “anger” on the blackboard, it’s one thing. It’s letters. When it arises in the heart, it’s too fast for you to read anything. It comes up in the heart all at once. This is important. Very important.

    [b]Studying vs. Going into Battle[/b]

    There have been some scholarly monks who’ve researched in the texts, who have studied a lot. I tell them to give the meditation a try. This matter of going by the book: When you study, you study in line with the texts, but when you go into battle, you have to go outside of the texts. If you simply fight in line with the texts, you’ll be no match for the enemy. When things get serious, you have to go outside of the texts.

    [i]“In Simple Terms: 108 Dhamma Similes”, by Ajahn Chah, translated from the Thai by Thanissaro Bhikkhu. Access to Insight, 4 April 2011[/i]

    I am not sure if the cyberdevas and asuras ever fought the battle with them self already. And I don’t talk about scraping a little on the packing. *smile*

    [Message last modified 10-11-2011 08:26am by Fuddyduddy][/quote]

    [Message last modified 10-12-2011 06:43am by bowang][/quote]

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    *haha* yes, need to think on a proverb of Ajahn Fuang:

    “When you want to teach other people to be good, you have to see how far their goodness can go. If you try to make them better than they can be, you’re the one who’s being stupid.”

    #353145
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    I say it how it is, no sugar coating. You’re very sanctimonious for a basement dweller. Obvious hypocrite is obvious.

    [i]Originally posted by hanzze[/i]
    *haha* yes, need to think on a proverb of Ajahn Fuang:

    “When you want to teach other people to be good, you have to see how far their goodness can go. If you try to make them better than they can be, you’re the one who’s being stupid.”

    [Message last modified 10-13-2011 06:30am by Fuddyduddy]

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    I guess there is nothing wrong with basement dwelling *smile* maybe you like to come down. Up to you. Here is a maybe inspiring story:

    There is the story of a king who once built a special palace. He made it so impregnable that no enemy could enter it. We also, in life, make just such castles and take all precautions to keep the enemy away and be absolutely safe. What does man do all his life, after all? Why does he amass wealth? Why does he yearn for position and fame? So that he may feel safe and secure and life holds no terror for him. But the fun of the whole thing, and also the secret, is that the more measures he takes to safeguard himself, his fear increases in the same proportion. The king had also conquered all there was to conquer. No the only fear was to guard himself from the enemy; for the enemy conquered is still the enemy.

    He who tries to conquer others, makes enemies of all. Only he who is ready to accept defeat from another man alone be a friend in this world. The king wished to conquer the whole world so the whole world was his enemy and his fear had increased a thousandfold. When fear increased, it became necessary to make provisions for safety. He built a big palace with only one door. There were no other doors and no windows; not even a hole for the enemy to work through. Only one door – guarded by thousands of soldiers with naked swords.

    The neighbouring kind came to see this much-talked-of palace. He was terribly impressed and determined to make a similar palace for his own safety. While taking leave, he praised the king for his foresight and wisdom and reiterated his desire to follow his example. An old beggar sitting by the roadside heard this talk. He laughed aloud. The owner of the palace chided him saying: “What makes you laugh, fool?”

    “Since you ask, Sire, I shall take the opportunity of telling you,” said the beggar. “There is only one flaw in this marvellous structure. It is impregnable except for the door. The enemy can come through the door. If you step in and have the door covered with brick and mortar, it will be completely secure. Then no enemy can ever enter it.”

    “If I do as you say, you fool, this palace will become my grave,” said the king.

    “It already is,” said the fakir, “except for the door. Through this door the enemy can come, and if not the enemy, death is bound to come.”

    “But I will be dead before that!” raved the king.

    “Then understand this well.” said the fakir. “As many doors as you had in your palace, so much of existence was with you. As you decreased the doors so also life diminished within you. Now one door is left – one lone opening to life; close it and shut out life forever. Therefore I say, there is only one flaw.” And he broke into peals of laughter again. “I too had castles, your majesty,”the fakir continued. “Then I felt that they were no more than prison-houses. So I began to widen the doors and separate the walls. But I found that no matter how much I widened the doors the walls still remained, so I got out of the walls and came out in the open. Now I stay beneath the open skies and am alive in the perfect sense of the word.”

    But have we not all built as many walls around us as we possibly could? The walls that are made of brick and mortar are not that dangerous, for they can be seen. There are other walls – subtle, imperceptible walls…. These are the hard screens – glass screens of concepts, of doctrines, of scriptures. Absolutely invisible!

    These walls we have built around our souls for complete security The thicker the walls, the farther it keeps us away from the open skies of Truth. Then the soul becomes restless and struggles; and the more agitated the soul is, the more we strive to strengthen the walls. Then a fear grips us – perhaps this struggle, this restlessness, is due to the walls? The answer is “Yes.” As long as the soul is confined, it cannot attain bliss. There is no sorrow except in captivity.

    *smile*

    #353172
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    I guess that only time you make any sense is if you copy and paste. /golfclap

    I can copy and paste too.

    “If a teacher’s actions are unethical, then, even if they have practiced for many years, their practice has been wrong-footed. Quite simply, they lack a proper understanding of the Dharma. There is a gap between the Dharma and their lives.” Don’t fall into the gap.

    “Sleep with the Guru at your own risk

    [Message last modified 10-13-2011 07:18am by Fuddyduddy]

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    So I am happy that I am not useless. People often feel far if they don’t feel important. *smile* Great if somebody is possible to do that without copy and can develop his very personal “wisdom”.

    Please continue to share, maybe one time I will copy them. Would that be great, ohh look if we would attain so much wisdom that we even get honored for it, famous and beloved. *smile*

    #353184
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    lol, Thanks hanzze, you were surely entertaining for the while. When you have a new act, I’ll return to your circus.

    [i]Originally posted by hanzze[/i]
    So I am happy that I am not useless. People often feel far if they don’t feel important. *smile* Great if somebody is possible to do that without copy and can develop his very personal “wisdom”.

    Please continue to share, maybe one time I will copy them. Would that be great, ohh look if we would attain so much wisdom that we even get honored for it, famous and beloved. *smile*

    #353193
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    No, No, no entertainment. That is not my business any more. I have changed.

    #353201
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    Exactly Ronald McDonald, evolution is a wonderful thing. But, you belong in a circus nevertheless.

    #353212
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    As I had posted a picture of me, can we image you like this? Real great, seams that you are a very talented and funny person. Maybe I will join you. *smile* We could do the clever & smart or the serious and the funny clown act.

    Did you know that there are very less entertainer who actually are not addicted to drugs? Its because they are actually not really happy and funny. *smile*

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