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  • #1627631
    Avatar of Kadin
    Kadin
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    The ICJ awarded Cambodia the Preas Vihear in 1962. After the ruling, the court gave Thailand 10 yrs to file a petition. Thai did nothing.

    When Cambodia enlisted the temple as a world heritage site, Thailand started attacking Cambodia. Fingers were pointing at each other.

    So Cambodia asked to have observers at the border. Thailand refused.

    They have attacked Cambodia at the border and kept telling the media that Cambodia started the shooting.

    Now, Cambodia has asked the ICJ to interpret the court’s 1962 ruling and Abhisit is preparing for Cambodia’s petition to the ICJ .

    50 years after the ruling they’re prepared to fight in the International Court of Justice.

    dummy, you’re 40 years too late.

    បានចូលសាលា មានសញ្ញាប្រ័ត មិន ប្រាកដថាមានសមត្ថភាពក្នុងកិច្ចការ នោះទេ
    #1627632
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    im sick ofthe thais. khmer troops should show restraint so the dumb intl community will finally see that the forking thais are really up to.
    abshityayayaya is smiling bc the elections are coming up
    hun sen is smiling bc now more ppl are going to support his one eyed face/

    #1627633
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    both Ahh-Kwak and Siam are using this for political gain. But really i think mostly the Siam whos using this conflict to help fuel support for the army and the next election.

    As for Hun Xen hes really does not need this to help his politics and position, because we all know who will win the next election in cambodia. But its good for him, because now the people are more focused on the border fighting rather than the land grab and the migration of vietnamese in cambodia.

    [i]Originally posted by kumquat[/i]
    im sick ofthe thais. khmer troops should show restraint so the dumb intl community will finally see that the forking thais are really up to.
    abshityayayaya is smiling bc the elections are coming up
    hun sen is smiling bc now more ppl are going to support his one eyed face/

    #1627634
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    At least ASEAN and the UN knows the Siam are liars.
    They claim that their military did not use cluster bombs, which inspectors found out that they were in fact using cluster bombs.

    They are also the only side that disagree and did not sign on for onsite inspectors/peace keeper at the border.
    This shows that they are not confident with what they say about the flair up of the skirmishes.
    While Cambodia was at ease to sign the papers and was all ready for them to fly in and be at the border.

    Like the old khmer saying
    “Meas Sut Ming Jes Kla Plirng”

    #1627635
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    Samdach Akkak Moha Sena Padey Dekjo Hun Xen

    Finally a night without the sound of gun shots at the border.

    “The frontline soldiers should build trust to each other, and if that happens there will be no more fighting,” Hun Xen

    Didn’t his cabinet say recently that we can not trust the Thai.

    Also Khmer along the border that fled during the week long fighting are returning home. Roughly out of 45,000 that fled about 35,000 are returning home.

    Read More here

    http://www.phnompenhpost.com/index.php/2011050448867/National-news/residents-uneasy-as-clashes-go-on.html

    Seriously Thai and Khmer to use this border skirmishes for political gain. Why ? people thousands of people lives are at risk and affecting their daily lively hood , whether you are Thai or Khmer.

    [Message last modified 05-04-2011 10:12pm by JackTsang05]

    #1627636
    Avatar of Kadin
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    there are words like “should” and “if: in his statement.

    of course we can’t trust Thai.

    that’s why Cambodia is bringing ASEAN, UN,…and ICJ into this mess.

    .

    [Message last modified 05-05-2011 06:36am by Kadin]

    បានចូលសាលា មានសញ្ញាប្រ័ត មិន ប្រាកដថាមានសមត្ថភាពក្នុងកិច្ចការ នោះទេ
    #1627642
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    i hope the ICJ can settle this once for all. But Thai said they are sending lawyers and what not to counter it. But yea when the verdict is finalize and say Khmer wins the right to the disputed land. Will Thailand accept it even with khmer being backed by the ICJ?

    I dont know if its that easy for them to accept ICJ and just pull of that disputed area. In sense they lose , and im sure the Siam would not just let it go like that.

    [Message last modified 05-05-2011 09:40pm by JackTsang05]

    #1627637
    Avatar of Kadin
    Kadin
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    I don’t think Thailand will ever stop trying to invade and claim l Cambodia land.
    I also don’t think they will ever accept the ruling of the ICJ IF it is not in their favor.

    The ruling was made in 1962.
    I just want to hear what the ICJ has to say during my life time.

    បានចូលសាលា មានសញ្ញាប្រ័ត មិន ប្រាកដថាមានសមត្ថភាពក្នុងកិច្ចការ នោះទេ
    #1627638
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    Kadin
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    The ICJ Hearing is On May 30-31

    The ICJ ruling in 1962: “In the 1962 verdict, the court said: “Thailand is under an obligation to withdraw any military or police forces, or other guards or keepers, stationed by her at the temple, or in its vicinity on Cambodian territory.”

    Cambodia wants the ICJ do clarify the ruling and interpret the word “vicinity”.

    Cambodia and Thailand are scheduled to give statement on May 30-31st!

    បានចូលសាលា មានសញ្ញាប្រ័ត មិន ប្រាកដថាមានសមត្ថភាពក្នុងកិច្ចការ នោះទេ
    #1627639
    Avatar of iLoveBophaUA
    iLoveBophaUA
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    Give them some slacks. For the past 40 years their lips are dried and glued to the British rear end. Today they can afford lip balm. They will take this opportunity to flex their tongues. Our beloved Khmer soldiers unzipped their pants along the borders wait patiently for this historic moment. It is our time to shine.

    [i]Originally posted by Kadin[/i]
    you’re 40 years too late.

    #1627640
    Avatar of JackTsang05
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    i dont know i jsut love this picture… so epic . I kow its photo shop pic of the king on top of Hitler proganda painting.

    [i]Originally posted by iLoveBophaUA[/i]
    Give them some slacks. For the past 40 years their lips are dried and glued to the British rear end. Today they can afford lip balm. They will take this opportunity to flex their tongues. Our beloved Khmer soldiers unzipped their pants along the borders wait patiently for this historic moment. It is our time to shine.

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Kadin[/i]
    you’re 40 years too late.

    [/quote]

    #1627641
    Avatar of JackTsang05
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    finally set up a term so that the Indonesion Observer can be deploy.

    “Cambodian troops and villagers must leave the 4.6-square-kilometre disputed border area before Indonesian observers can be deployed, Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva insists”

    So that is good now we can finally have a third view on the situation going on there. Hopefully they do this very very soon before another conflict at the border arise, and the forreign observer will be put to halt AGAIN.

    Also this will be good to show that ASEAN community is tightly bond and knows how to handle dispute within ASEAN nations.

    [Message last modified 05-05-2011 09:23pm by JackTsang05]

    #1627644
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    ^I doubt that will happen.
    after 2-3 years of failed bilateral talk with Thailand, it’s very hard to trust them.

    Let’s say Cambodia leaves the 4.6 area…Thai is going to ask for something more.

    The 4.6 is currently occupied by Cambodians because it’s our territory.

    To Thai, it’s the disputed area and don’t want the observers to see CAMBODIANS there.

    The election in Thailand is in a month or so…Ahbisit is indirectly buying votes. And, he wants so gain something at the border. If Cambodia removed the troop, that would be 1 momentum for Abhisit.

    [Message last modified 05-06-2011 01:06am by Kadin]

    បានចូលសាលា មានសញ្ញាប្រ័ត មិន ប្រាកដថាមានសមត្ថភាពក្នុងកិច្ចការ នោះទេ
    #1627643
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    Siam signed treaties with French to protect them from losing more terroritories the French by giving back Khmer Provinces and the French gave back other former Khmer provinces like Trat, Chantabury to Siam. If Siam did not sign the Treaties, Cambodia would kept all former Khmer provinces like Trat, Chantabury, Surin. Ironically, Abbhisit would be a Cambodian citizen without the Siam-Franco treaties, Abbhisit family was from Trat area.
    That is how silly nationalism is. We are one family, interrelated Khmer, Mon, Thai. However politics make men do stupid thing like killing another man, his brother,..

    [Message last modified 05-06-2011 01:01am by JackTsang05]

    #1627645
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    Kadin
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    Your post sounds very familiar.
    I feel like i read it before from somewhere.

    [i]Originally posted by JackTsang05[/i]

    Siam signed treaties with French to protect them from losing more terroritories the French by giving back Khmer Provinces and the French gave back other former Khmer provinces like Trat, Chantabury to Siam. If Siam did not sign the Treaties, Cambodia would kept all former Khmer provinces like Trat, Chantabury, Surin. Ironically, Abbhisit would be a Cambodian citizen without the Siam-Franco treaties, Abbhisit family was from Trat area.
    That is how silly nationalism is. We are one family, interrelated Khmer, Mon, Thai. However politics make men do stupid thing like killing another man, his brother,..

    [Message last modified 05-06-2011 01:01am by JackTsang05]

    បានចូលសាលា មានសញ្ញាប្រ័ត មិន ប្រាកដថាមានសមត្ថភាពក្នុងកិច្ចការ នោះទេ
    #1627646
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    Abhisit was born in England.
    as arrogant as he is, I doubt he would hold dual citizenship with Cambodia.

    [i]Originally posted by JackTsang05[/i]
    Abbhisit would be a Cambodian citizen without the Siam-Franco treaties

    [Message last modified 05-06-2011 01:14am by Kadin]

    បានចូលសាលា មានសញ្ញាប្រ័ត មិន ប្រាកដថាមានសមត្ថភាពក្នុងកិច្ចការ នោះទេ
    #1627647
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    yes copy paste off comment, off bankok post.
    sorry didnt credit person because it was Joe Shmoe name

    http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/235390/the-1962-judgement-of-the-court-of-justice-in-the-hague

    [Message last modified 05-06-2011 01:15am by JackTsang05]

    #1627648
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    Told ya…

    Jakarta: Cambodian Foreign Minister Hor Namhong rejected a Thai demand to withdraw troops from an 11th-century Khmer temple at the disputed border, saying Bangkok was not sincere about peace.

    “We never can withdraw our troops from our own territory. That should be very clear,” Hor Namhong told reporters on Friday, after a meeting in Jakarta with Indonesian Foreign Minister Marty Natalegawa.

    http://www.zeenews.com/news704640.html/quote

    បានចូលសាលា មានសញ្ញាប្រ័ត មិន ប្រាកដថាមានសមត្ថភាពក្នុងកិច្ចការ នោះទេ
    #1627649
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    The next time Thai attacks, Cambodia should attack back full blast.

    the ASEAN and UN, all they have done is “we will talk and try to resolve the border dispute” Cambodia has already given permission to observe the Cambodia side of the border. There has yet to be one observer there because they are waiting for Thai’s permission. Why? it’s not going to happen!

    http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/world/9333687/cambodia-pm-blasts-thailand-at-asean-summit/

    បានចូលសាលា មានសញ្ញាប្រ័ត មិន ប្រាកដថាមានសមត្ថភាពក្នុងកិច្ចការ នោះទេ
    #1627650
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    JAKARTA: Cambodia accused Thailand of invading its territory yesterday on the opening day of a summit of Southeast Asian leaders that was supposed to focus on plans to create a regional economic zone.

    Cambodian Prime Minister Hun Sen took aim at his Thai counterpart over a bloody border dispute, in the closed-door opening session of the two-day summit in Jakarta, according to a transcript of his comments released to reporters.

    “Thailand as a big country continues to have the ambition of prolonging the armed conflict in order to violate weaker neighbouring Asean members,” Hun Sen told the assembled leaders, according to a transcript provided to reporters. “The invasion of the Thai troops of Cambodia’s territory resulted in a series of clashes and eventually a large-scale war from the 4th to the 7th of February, 2011.”

    http://www.thepeninsulaqatar.com/international/151501-cambodia-pm-lambasts-thailand-at-summit.html

    I wonder if that was a good move by Cambodia to bring up this issue during the meeting? From all the news posting it seems like we are getting bash for bringing it up and Thailand is being helm as the polite and timid one.

    #1627651
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    It is a good move. Abhisit planned to avoid to issue and did not want to talk.
    Hun Sen makes him talk with a third party involved.

    ASEAN has been slacking. Cambodia is part of ASEAN. As long as Cambodia has problem, it should be ASEAN’s issues also. It’s good that Hun Sen is putting the pressure on ASEAN.

    Why hasn’t an observer on Cambodia’s side of the border? They were given permission.
    Why should they wait for Thai’s permission to observe from Cambodia side?

    They are waiting for Thai to roll the red carpet for them? as if!

    [i]Originally posted by JackTsang05[/i]
    I wonder if that was a good move by Cambodia to bring up this issue during the meeting? From all the news posting it seems like we are getting bash for bringing it up and Thailand is being helm as the polite and timid one.

    [Message last modified 05-09-2011 01:13am by Kadin]

    បានចូលសាលា មានសញ្ញាប្រ័ត មិន ប្រាកដថាមានសមត្ថភាពក្នុងកិច្ចការ នោះទេ
    #1627652
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    definitly giving this issue for ASEAN members to work out is good idea, will help show the goodwill of the ASEAN community towards peace and prosperity.

    Now Thai election is starting July 3 i think, really excited to see the outcome of this. I could mean more stabilty in the region or more fire.

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