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    Buddhism could be the antidote for fighting the extremism and fanaticism in both Christianity and Islam, adn somewhere in between, the cults. The problem is Buddhism is too passive, and in most cases, they are too poor in resource and education to help either themselves or the world.

    It does not help, the world turn to materialism, and forsaken the spiritual aspect of their lives. And thus survival is at all cost, and regardless. This is seen as an advantage for a well organized religion such Christianity, when it’s resources are plenty and their people are well educated to persuade and convert people. Targeting the weak and poor, in a suppressing country or poorly educated and depressing economical situation.

    Such is where Buddhism lack as fore mentioned, and seems irrelevant, disorganized, and thus vulnerable to attack and ridicule from other well organized sects and religions.

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    *pats buddhism on the back * aww here here. lets all have a bit of compassion for poor old buddhism….

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    Atlease, the Buddha doesnt ask $25% from his followers income, But the Jesus Christ does…kekeke

    [i]Originally posted by bowang[/i]
    *pats buddhism on the back * aww here here. lets all have a bit of compassion for poor old buddhism….

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    This is the purpose of reconditioning. It is working, there is hope, after all.

    We want you to be this way: conformity to the norm of society. And denounce extremism.

    [i]Originally posted by bowang[/i]
    *pats buddhism on the back * aww here here. lets all have a bit of compassion for poor old buddhism….

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    [i]Originally posted by khemrin[/i]
    Buddhism could be the antidote for fighting the extremism and fanaticism in both Christianity and Islam, adn somewhere in between, the cults. The problem is Buddhism is too passive, and in most cases, they are too poor in resource and education to help either themselves or the world.

    It does not help, the world turn to materialism, and forsaken the spiritual aspect of their lives. And thus survival is at all cost, and regardless. This is seen as an advantage for a well organized religion such Christianity, when it’s resources are plenty and their people are well educated to persuade and convert people. Targeting the weak and poor, in a suppressing country or poorly educated and depressing economical situation.

    Such is where Buddhism lack as fore mentioned, and seems irrelevant, disorganized, and thus vulnerable to attack and ridicule from other well organized sects and religions.

    It’s not possible to force somebody to get wiser. Buddhism is a realization and not a believe doctrine. That is the reason why there is also no missionary in Buddhism.
    It’s just that silly Buddhist think that they need to help others in missionary them and mostly they act hypocrisy and silly like all others.
    The flourish of Buddha Dhamma and it’s practice is a matter of wisdom among people. Today 70% of spread teachings about Buddha are simply wrong and those people see just a need to make it equal to other religions understandable for not so bright people.

    One more thing is, that the monastic Sangha is not an organized Sangha like we know that (even also here many tend to do so and install authorities beside the teachings of the Buddha, the Dhamma).

    No need to worry, just make the teachings available and those wise enough, mindful enough after having seen, that suffering exists, will come by them self.

    Actually its more organized in regard of inside and intentions as anything else. You would not see and understand it, if you don’t understand what it is about.
    It’s not a religion, it’s a way out, a gate to peace.

    The fool

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    Long for the wakeful is the night. Long for the weary, a league. For fools unaware of True Dhamma, samsara is long.
    61
    If, in your course, you don’t meet your equal, your better, then continue your course, firmly, alone. There’s no fellowship with fools.
    62
    ‘I have sons, I have wealth’ — the fool torments himself. When even he himself doesn’t belong to himself, how then sons? How wealth?
    63
    A fool with a sense of his foolishness is — at least to that extent — wise. But a fool who thinks himself wise really deserves to be called a fool.
    64-65
    Even if for a lifetime the fool stays with the wise, he knows nothing of the Dhamma — as the ladle, the taste of the soup. Even if for a moment, the perceptive person stays with the wise, he immediately knows the Dhamma — as the tongue, the taste of the soup.
    66
    Fools, their wisdom weak, are their own enemies as they go through life, doing evil that bears bitter fruit.
    67-68
    It’s not good, the doing of the deed that, once it’s done, you regret, whose result you reap crying, your face in tears. It’s good, the doing of the deed that, once it’s done, you don’t regret, whose result you reap gratified, happy at heart.
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    As long as evil has yet to ripen, the fool mistakes it for honey. But when that evil ripens, the fool falls into pain.
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    Month after month the fool might eat only a tip-of-grass measure of food, but he wouldn’t be worth one sixteenth of those who’ve fathomed the Dhamma.
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    An evil deed, when done, doesn’t — like ready milk — come out right away. It follows the fool, smoldering like a fire hidden in ashes.
    72-74
    Only for his ruin does renown come to the fool. It ravages his bright fortune & rips his head apart. He would want unwarranted status, preeminence among monks, authority among monasteries, homage from lay families. ‘Let householders & those gone forth both think that this was done by me alone. May I alone determine what’s a duty, what’s not': the resolve of a fool as they grow — his desire & pride.
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    The path to material gain goes one way, the way to Unbinding, another. Realizing this, the monk, a disciple to the Awakened One, should not relish offerings, should cultivate seclusion instead.

    [Message last modified 05-29-2012 05:46am by hanzze]

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    bowang,

    Is Buddha smater than jesus Christ…??? why and why not???

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    Bowing got on his trap again…Lol he say he got respect for his parent but behind open closet he kill them..

    His parent mist be Buddhism for him to judge their old ways…

    Buddhism doesn’t go around destroy other faiths but other faith has destroyed Buddhism…it seem Buddhism is more compasionate..

    [i]Originally posted by khemrin[/i]
    This is the purpose of reconditioning. It is working, there is hope, after all.

    We want you to be this way: conformity to the norm of society. And denounce extremism.

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by bowang[/i]
    *pats buddhism on the back * aww here here. lets all have a bit of compassion for poor old buddhism….

    [/quote]

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    If doctor is the healer of physical ill, then religion is the healer of spiritual suffering, don’t you agree?

    When people got cut on their finger, or fall off frm the tree and broke their leg, they look for band aid and go to see doctor if it does not get better in a span of time. The remedy is for both immediate relief and long term healing.

    I think it should be the same for religion. Religion should be helpful, whether it be in term of psychological therapy, or spiritual healing, or prepare one for the eventuality, beyon this world.

    In that I see monastic monks as those of both (or should be)an organized and missionary.

    Do you see problem with that?

    [Message last modified 05-30-2012 04:07am by khemrin]

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    buddha is a master of philosophy..

    Jesus is a master of manipulation…

    which one answer the questions..

    [i]Originally posted by kimpirun98[/i]
    bowang,

    Is Buddha smater than jesus Christ…??? why and why not???

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    “The religion of the future will be a cosmic religion. It should transcend a personal God and avoid dogmas and theology. Covering both natural and spiritual, it should be based on a religious sense arising from the experience of all things, natural and spiritual and a meaningful unity. Buddhism answers this description. If there is any religion that would cope with modern scientific needs, it would be Buddhism.”

    -Einstein

    As a man of science myself who also took a few philosophy classes on Buddhism, I agree with Einstein. Buddhism was and still is ahead of its time.

    In time, Science and Buddhism in some way or another may be “ONE” *(All is ONE). The idea of reincarnation for example is similar to the law of conservation of energy, just taken beyond the physical realm to the spiritual realm. Another example, law of karma similar to the law of action & reaction, again in different realms. And like science, Buddhism doesn’t take the easy way out when something supernatural and unexplainable happens by saying it’s a work of God, they both use logic & evidence to explain these events without the need for God… can you imagine if everything strange is explained by being work of God? Look there’s rain, why does it rain? God is taking a shower. lol.

    *All is ONE is a core idea in Buddhism which is in someway is similar to the unified field theory & the ‘theory of everything’ that science believes in and are still chasing after. And not only that Buddhism principles/theories are tightly-knitted so much like all the scientific theories. It’s amazing how Buddhism was created so long ago even before Christianity and such with so little data and knowledge we have today, yet its theories and structures are so similar to modern science.

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    Buddhism does not need to fight against Christianity and Islam, physically the two are already doing a ‘good’ job killing each other off while mentally, science is doing a good job taking both of those two brute-force religions down while Buddhism goes unaffected & unharmed.

    oh I wouldn’t worry about Buddhism being irrelevant because it is still big in most of Asia, and more of the west are beginning to adopt Buddhism, especially the western middle-class while dropping the simple, brute-force Abrahamic religions.

    [i]Originally posted by khemrin[/i]
    Buddhism could be the antidote for fighting the extremism and fanaticism in both Christianity and Islam, adn somewhere in between, the cults. The problem is Buddhism is too passive, and in most cases, they are too poor in resource and education to help either themselves or the world.

    It does not help, the world turn to materialism, and forsaken the spiritual aspect of their lives. And thus survival is at all cost, and regardless. This is seen as an advantage for a well organized religion such Christianity, when it’s resources are plenty and their people are well educated to persuade and convert people. Targeting the weak and poor, in a suppressing country or poorly educated and depressing economical situation.

    Such is where Buddhism lack as fore mentioned, and seems irrelevant, disorganized, and thus vulnerable to attack and ridicule from other well organized sects and religions.

    [Message last modified 05-29-2012 09:53pm by agent0o5]

    #366109
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    For sharing Einstein thought on religion of the future.

    I,too, agree with Einstein.

    [i]Originally posted by agent0o5[/i]
    “The religion of the future will be a cosmic religion. It should transcend a personal God and avoid dogmas and theology. Covering both natural and spiritual, it should be based on a religious sense arising from the experience of all things, natural and spiritual and a meaningful unity. Buddhism answers this description. If there is any religion that would cope with modern scientific needs, it would be Buddhism.”

    -Einstein

    As a man of science myself who also took a few philosophy classes on Buddhism, I agree with Einstein. Buddhism was and still is ahead of its time.

    In time, Science and Buddhism in some way or another may be “ONE” *(All is ONE). The idea of reincarnation for example is similar to the law of conservation of energy, just taken beyond the physical realm to the spiritual realm. Another example, law of karma similar to the law of action & reaction, again in different realms. And like science, Buddhism doesn’t take the easy way out when something supernatural and unexplainable happens by saying it’s a work of God, they both use logic & evidence to explain these events without the need for God… can you imagine if everything strange is explained by being work of God? Look there’s rain, why does it rain? God is taking a shower. lol.

    *All is ONE is a core idea in Buddhism which is in someway is similar to the unified field theory & the ‘theory of everything’ that science believes in and are still chasing after. And not only that Buddhism principles/theories are tightly-knitted so much like all the scientific theories. It’s amazing how Buddhism was created so long ago even before Christianity and such with so little data and knowledge we have today, yet its theories and structures are so similar to modern science.

    #366119
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    That is a good one.

    It works at different level.

    [i]Originally posted by PhnomKlarSar[/i]
    buddha is a master of philosophy..

    Jesus is a master of manipulation…

    which one answer the questions..
    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by kimpirun98[/i]
    bowang,

    Is Buddha smater than jesus Christ…??? why and why not???

    [/quote]

    #366128
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    Agent,

    Chinese are now converting en mass to Christians. They now believe, to be better Chinese, they have to be renamed and convert to Christian. Niall ferguson asked one successful Chinese guy, and he said he trusted only Christian to do business with.

    This goes against everything that you and I believe in. All of the sudden, these Chinese need god to tell them how to brush their teeth, or not to be so corrupted, or doing dirty business. And the Chinese name is associated with everything that Chinese was…backward, poor, uneducated, loud, rude, selfish, and trustworthy.

    And these are the people who will lead Cambodia, and most of sea,and if we look for leadership and inspiration from chinese, that is what we see: a Taiwan or hong kong model of work ethic and moral/spiritual principle.

    Perhaps, they need another Jesus Hong to elevate them to another level of spiritual enlightenment.

    [i]Originally posted by agent0o5[/i]
    Buddhism does not need to fight against Christianity and Islam, physically the two are already doing a ‘good’ job killing each other off while mentally, science is doing a good job taking both of those two brute-force religions down while Buddhism goes unaffected & unharmed.

    oh I wouldn’t worry about Buddhism being irrelevant because it is still big in most of Asia, and more of the west are beginning to adopt Buddhism, especially the western middle-class while dropping the simple, brute-force Abrahamic religions.

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by khemrin[/i]
    Buddhism could be the antidote for fighting the extremism and fanaticism in both Christianity and Islam, adn somewhere in between, the cults. The problem is Buddhism is too passive, and in most cases, they are too poor in resource and education to help either themselves or the world.

    It does not help, the world turn to materialism, and forsaken the spiritual aspect of their lives. And thus survival is at all cost, and regardless. This is seen as an advantage for a well organized religion such Christianity, when it’s resources are plenty and their people are well educated to persuade and convert people. Targeting the weak and poor, in a suppressing country or poorly educated and depressing economical situation.

    Such is where Buddhism lack as fore mentioned, and seems irrelevant, disorganized, and thus vulnerable to attack and ridicule from other well organized sects and religions.

    [Message last modified 05-29-2012 09:53pm by agent0o5][/quote]

    #366136
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    Hey guys…

    im so worry about the religious Buddhsim going to disappear in the future, because of what I see and I know about…the Buddha didnt teach to his followers had to promote a religion to make the whole world understand and request them to support it.

    Do we see Religious Christian, his people work so hard for promotion of their reloigion, they spend alot of times going from door to door and explain some issues that related to Jesus Christ or God…console people feeling and attract or fascinate on their religion.

    they came to knocked my door 3 times per week. I sometime opened door and welcomed them, served them some coffee on winter and Ice teas on Summer. We sit down and had a short conversation about God…They did not know me that I went often to Church….Therefore they admired me understand so good about Jesus Christ history…

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    There is nothing permanent in this world, understanding this truly one would not find any reason for struggle, suffer and greed.

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    Is there reason to live, and be productive, in this world then?

    [i]Originally posted by hanzze[/i]
    There is nothing permanent in this world, understanding this truly one would not find any reason for struggle, suffer and greed.

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    Maybe the Christian more longer live than to another religions in this world…

    Dont you think as what i though!!??

    [i]Originally posted by hanzze[/i]
    There is nothing permanent in this world, understanding this truly one would not find any reason for struggle, suffer and greed.

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    Yes, a selfish. As to wish to be not in this world is also a selfish reason. That is why one just focuses on destroying delusion and makes an end to birth.

    “‘Right view,[1] right view,’ it is said, Lord. In what way, Lord, is there right view?’

    “The world in general, Kaccaayana, inclines to two views, to existence[2] or to non-existence.[3] But for him who, with the highest wisdom, sees the uprising of the world as it really is,[4] ‘non-existence of the world’ does not apply, and for him who, with highest wisdom, sees the passing away of the world as it really is, ‘existence of the world’ does not apply.

    “The world in general, Kaccaayana, grasps after systems and is imprisoned by dogmas.[5] But he[6] does not go along with that system-grasping, that mental obstinacy and dogmatic bias, does not grasp at it, does not affirm: ‘This is my self.'[7] He knows without doubt or hesitation that whatever arises is merely dukkha[8] that what passes away is merely dukkha and such knowledge is his own, not depending on anyone else. This, Kaccaayana, is what constitutes right view.

    “‘Everything exists,'[9] this is one extreme [view]; ‘nothing exists,’ this is the other extreme. Avoiding both extremes the Tathaagata[10] teaches a doctrine of the middle: Conditioned by ignorance are the formations… [as SN 12.10]… So there comes about the arising of this entire mass of suffering. But from the complete fading away and cessation of ignorance there comes the cessation of the formations, from the cessation of the formations comes the cessation of consciousness… So there comes about the complete cessation of this entire mass of suffering.”
    from the Kaccaayanagotto Sutta: Kaccaayana

    [i]Originally posted by khemrin[/i]

    Is there reason to live, and be productive, in this world then?

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    [i]Originally posted by hanzze[/i]
    There is nothing permanent in this world, understanding this truly one would not find any reason for struggle, suffer and greed.

    [/quote]

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    It’s not a matter of religion, but yes the fool (individual) will be here for ever, wandering on. It’s like if you look into a casino, the more foolish somebody the longer he frequent the casino on and on. It needs its time to understand and some need to loose everything fist but after that they have no more merits, even they would know the way. *smile*

    [i]Originally posted by kimpirun98[/i]
    Maybe the Christian more longer live than to another religions in this world…

    Dont you think as what i though!!??
    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by hanzze[/i]
    There is nothing permanent in this world, understanding this truly one would not find any reason for struggle, suffer and greed.

    [/quote]

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    I know there are nothing to be perminent in this world at all. but if we Human Being have a lil thing to be hope, i believe that its making them getting more challenge for their lives…

    Our lives are more preciouser than animal’s. Becaus we all have a hope and we want to be rich, good eat, drive luxery cars, pretty wife or more than one wife, right!!! we also want to live more longer. especially who are rich and have good job and get big pay…So!!

    We are more considering our lives then.

    [i]Originally posted by hanzze[/i]
    It’s not a matter of religion, but yes the fool (individual) will be here for ever, wandering on. It’s like if you look into a casino, the more foolish somebody the longer he frequent the casino on and on. It needs its time to understand and some need to loose everything fist but after that they have no more merits, even they would know the way. *smile*

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    [i]Originally posted by kimpirun98[/i]
    Maybe the Christian more longer live than to another religions in this world…

    Dont you think as what i though!!??
    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by hanzze[/i]
    There is nothing permanent in this world, understanding this truly one would not find any reason for struggle, suffer and greed.

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    Kim,

    Life has to have a meaning and purpose of living. It can’t just be in despair and waiting for the day to go nirvana.

    [i]Originally posted by kimpirun98[/i]
    I know there are nothing to be perminent in this world at all. but if we Human Being have a lil thing to be hope, i believe that its making them getting more challenge for their lives…

    Our lives are more preciouser than animal’s. Becaus we all have a hope and we want to be rich, good eat, drive luxery cars, pretty wife or more than one wife, right!!! we also want to live more longer. especially who are rich and have good job and get big pay…So!!

    We are more considering our lives then.
    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by hanzze[/i]
    It’s not a matter of religion, but yes the fool (individual) will be here for ever, wandering on. It’s like if you look into a casino, the more foolish somebody the longer he frequent the casino on and on. It needs its time to understand and some need to loose everything fist but after that they have no more merits, even they would know the way. *smile*

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by kimpirun98[/i]
    Maybe the Christian more longer live than to another religions in this world…

    Dont you think as what i though!!??
    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by hanzze[/i]
    There is nothing permanent in this world, understanding this truly one would not find any reason for struggle, suffer and greed.

    [/quote]
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    Let me bring a simile:

    A man searching for fruit climbs a tree to eat his fill and to stuff his garments with fruit to take home. While he is there, another man searching for fruit comes along. The second man can’t climb the tree but he has an axe, so he chops the tree down. If the first man doesn’t quickly get out of the tree, he may break an arm or a leg, or even die.

    This simile shows the perils of looking for true happiness in the wrong place: in sensual pleasures. If your happiness depends on anything other people can take away from you, you’re putting yourself in danger. As the Buddha notes, we hope for happiness in sensual pleasures not because they’ve ever really satisfied us but because we can’t imagine any other escape from pain and suffering. If we allowed ourselves to believe that there is another alternative, we’d be more willing to question our strong faith in our cravings and attachments, more willing to look for that alternative and give it a try.

    also watch out: Faith In Awakening

    It’s quite silly to seek happiness is things which are impermanent, subject to aging, sickness and death. Hope actually is nothing else that greed and greed is the cause of every suffering. There is only one wholesome greed, and this is the strive for the unconditioned, for awakening.

    [i]Originally posted by kimpirun98[/i]
    I know there are nothing to be perminent in this world at all. but if we Human Being have a lil thing to be hope, i believe that its making them getting more challenge for their lives…

    Our lives are more preciouser than animal’s. Becaus we all have a hope and we want to be rich, good eat, drive luxery cars, pretty wife or more than one wife, right!!! we also want to live more longer. especially who are rich and have good job and get big pay…So!!

    We are more considering our lives then.
    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by hanzze[/i]
    It’s not a matter of religion, but yes the fool (individual) will be here for ever, wandering on. It’s like if you look into a casino, the more foolish somebody the longer he frequent the casino on and on. It needs its time to understand and some need to loose everything fist but after that they have no more merits, even they would know the way. *smile*

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by kimpirun98[/i]
    Maybe the Christian more longer live than to another religions in this world…

    Dont you think as what i though!!??
    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by hanzze[/i]
    There is nothing permanent in this world, understanding this truly one would not find any reason for struggle, suffer and greed.

    [/quote]
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    You are very good making up a smille story…kekekekekk. No matter of what we human being have to have a lil hope of their lives, that is why they workhard to make good money in order to build their family…

    What if the Human being have no hope in their lives, they will be making alot of trouble makers and they dont work at all. Therefore God created human being and gave them the brain to thinking, the animals have brain too but their brains are bail-out.

    So!!! We can see that the Human being able to control the animals…

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    One not able to control him self? But I am sure you think that you can…

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