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  • #97077
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    Predominantly Buddhist Cambodia has barred Christian groups from presenting religious propaganda in public.

    The move aims to head off potential religious conflict stirred up by what the government sees as overzealous preaching of the faith in Khmer communities.

    Evangelical Christians and Muslims have vigorously promoted various brands of religion since Cambodia began emerging from its communist past more than a decade ago.

    Undersecretary of state for cults and religious affairs Dok Narin said some Christian groups tried to force people to believe in Christianity, claiming that groups often went door-to-door pressuring people, mainly Buddhists, to join their sect.

    He said the clampdown, which reportedly began in January, has to date shown limited success.

    Last November the ministry supported Cambodian teachers’ demands that the word “god” be struck from school text books, saying that putting the interests of god above all others was not a Buddhist principle.

    #97094
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    good stuff

    #97110
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    I hope Cambodia stays Buddhist. Buddhism is a very important part of Khmer Culture and Christianity is a threat to Khmer culture.

    #97127
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    christians have done good work in cambodia. these charities provide to the poor people what the government cant or wont. banning them is more nationalistic/ethnocentric fevor that can harm the progress of cambodia. its a shame that whenever goodness is present, the khmer people in srok khmer wants to drive it out.

    #97141
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    [i]Originally posted by Dario[/i]
    I hope Cambodia stays Buddhist. Buddhism is a very important part of Khmer Culture and Christianity is a threat to Khmer culture.

    what is even a bigger threat is your way of thinking young one. when the khmer rouge killed millions of people, and the refrugees streamed to the thai borders, it was the RED CROSS, the SALVATION ARMY, CARE, and numerous christian charities that feed us and immunize us, it wasnt the freakin thais or the khmer rouge. be grateful!

    #97156
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    [i]Originally posted by polens[/i]
    christians have done good work in cambodia. these charities provide to the poor people what the government cant or wont. banning them is more nationalistic/ethnocentric fevor that can harm the progress of cambodia. its a shame that whenever goodness is present, the khmer people in srok khmer wants to drive it out.
    what is even a bigger threat is your way of thinking young one. when the khmer rouge killed millions of people, and the refrugees streamed to the thai borders, it was the RED CROSS, the SALVATION ARMY, CARE, and numerous christian charities that feed us and immunize us, it wasnt the freakin thais or the khmer rouge. be grateful!

    Im with Dario on this, Khmer should ALWAYS be buddist! I know religion is a very touchy topic, but hey just hear me out. Sure Christians did good work in Cambodia, but thats doesnt mean they have to go around telling Khmers to believe in Christ! They are using this “helping” to trick foolish Khmers in believe Christ, since it was the christian religion that helped them out, not buddist.But its very nice to have Christians helping out Khmers. The reason they are helping is cuz they have the MONEY and they dont want to look bad as a religion since they are know world wide in helping people, but they still dont have to use that and “recruit” the imbiciles out three.People in srok Khmer dont want to drive out the Christians, just the way they are presenting the Christ religion. Yeah, during the Khmer rouge reign, sure Christians helped out, but like I said above they are know to do such things, which is obvious nice! And also they helped out cuz they have the damn money since christians come from rich countries like USA. Personally damn missionaries really annoy me over here! They come to my door saying stuff about Christ which I really dont care, but I know they are trying to convert me, but nice try dudes, I aint that stupid! Im not saying I hate Christians, just their way of recruiting. And how about how when chritians killing the people in south america cuz they didnt believe in christ, not to mention many more horrible acts! You should do some research and see the ugly side of this religion. Buddist dont force people to become a buddist,nor do they have missionaries going around spreading this religion. Also einstein once said something about buddism, which I forgot, but I think he said something like if the world was buddist, the world would be a better place or something like that. Dont you relized there has been no conflict related with buddism? Like how christians and catholics fight it out, how muslims, hindu, ect have problems to what faith you beileve in? Im not saying they are bad, but religion is the cause of many conflicts cant you see? This world is a starnge place, not to mention messed up!

    #97172
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    [i]Originally posted by polens[/i]
    christians have done good work in cambodia. these charities provide to the poor people what the government cant or wont. banning them is more nationalistic/ethnocentric fevor that can harm the progress of cambodia. its a shame that whenever goodness is present, the khmer people in srok khmer wants to drive it out.

    that there plan fool, to trick khmer like you to become christians.

    #97188
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    first off im not christian, but im hella not a buddhist either. it was khmer buddhist that killed a million of our people and let the other million starve to death. so before being critical of my “foolishness” know your own history, culture and heritage.

    #97222
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    I’m a buddhist. I introduced Christian, muslim, Hinduism, catholic to myself. I’m still a Buddhist. I have gained so much knowledge and many other things because I open my mind to other religions and philosopy.

    learn about them then choose what you wanna believe. It’s good to know that you have options.

    As long as these missionaries are not putting guns to the people’s head and say “you have to convert or else…BANG”, I’m okay with it.

    speaking from experience:
    I don’t like it though when Chritians (ones I’ve encountered) criticize my beliefs.

    [Message last modified 03-01-2003 09:02pm by Mercedeez]

    #97205
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    open mind is the best of a person to be normal, but some do go for extreme and religions is the root of all evil? war and revolutions that is.

    #97254
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    i beg the differ–western religion is the source of most evil and war in the world!

    polen, what the hell are you talking about! if you’re refering to the KR, they have no religion. infact they take pride in killing monks of high rank.

    [Message last modified 03-01-2003 07:53pm by arunsorsdey]

    #97239
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    [i]Originally posted by polens[/i]
    first off im not christian, but im hella not a buddhist either. it was khmer buddhist that killed a million of our people and let the other million starve to death. so before being critical of my “foolishness” know your own history, culture and heritage.

    Are you sure they were real Buddhists?
    We all know Pol Pot was definitely not a monk. And a real Buddhist wouldn’t do anything what he did.
    I’m not really a Buddhist, but I idenetify more with Buddhism, mainly because of the philosphy, you know all the stuff they do in the temple? I think it’s not necessary, it’s all about living a life with suffering and try to live it with peace and all that.
    Christians bring hate [well, not all] and they’re just so contradictive. Like the Crusades, why all the killing? And you know how the Spaniards conquered America to spread religion right? Well, what they do? They went after gold and killed the people there, like the Aztecs were killed and their culture was destroyed. It’s true what they’ve done there in Cambodia has helped a lot though. But all they’re doing is just feeding and giving food to the people so that they will convert. They don’t care about anything else.

    #97272
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    buddhism is an inherent part of our culture. which makes it more than a religion in some aspects. as more and more western ideals are brought into the country, parts of our culture will start to wash away. it can’t be merely because of christian ideals. but, i do think that SOME missionaries take it too far in trying to convince people to dispell all of buddhism. i think it’s western misconceptions on what buddhism is and what it means to our past to think that the two can be so severly seperated.

    is the only action so far the banning of the word “God” in school texts?

    i highly doubt that the khmer rouge were actively practicing buddhism. as communism goes… there is no room for religion. even if they declared themselves buddhist…. saying is one thing… believing and practicing, another.

    #97286
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    jesus christ, all the khmers that killed khmers were at one point in their lifetime buddhist, maybe they didnt take the teachings of buddhism to heart. saying that they werent true buddhist is a cop out. pol pot actually started out as a buddhist monk.

    that is besides the point. stating that christianity is imperfect religion is obvious. my point is that these christian missionaries do good work. my point again for all you attention deficiet khmers is that the work that these christian charites do for cambodia is beneficial!

    [Message last modified 03-01-2003 10:45pm by polens]

    #97302
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    [i]Originally posted by polens[/i]
    with the way you khmers think no wonder were the poorest and dumbest asians in asia and in america, have a nice day :o

    I have heard enough of your trash talking! You’re a disgrace to the Khmer race! I don’t care how book-smart you are but this shlt talking must stop.

    And good for the christians that they help out Cambodia, I love that! But if they’re converting the at the same time that’s not good. Do your good deeds and leave it at that.

    #97320
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    yeah i took the above out because it was offensive.

    i did take the debate a step lower, but it just seems you people were so prideful in being khmer/buddhist that any chance that other perspective might benefit our people, you were closing your eyes to, and that is not progressive.

    and kr i disagree with your statement, im not a disgrace to the khmer race and you know it. you need dissent, we all need dissent.

    [Message last modified 03-01-2003 10:58pm by polens]

    #97337
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    and one more thing, if its a disgrace to have a khmer phd in molecular virology, ill just tell people im chinese. :)

    #97355
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    [i]Originally posted by polens[/i]
    christians have done good work in cambodia. these charities provide to the poor people what the government cant or wont. banning them is more nationalistic/ethnocentric fevor that can harm the progress of cambodia. its a shame that whenever goodness is present, the khmer people in srok khmer wants to drive it out.

    I agree…christians are one of the most successful groups that provide charity in Cambodia. They do not get funding by being rich. Most of their money comes from donation from their OWN community and sometimes from their connections internationally. Most of all, their objective is not to convert but provide humanitarian relief. The things that they preach are just common sense stuff like lookin’ out for one another, ending violence, and being good Sumeritans. Converting comes lastly if the people are willing to accept. I think that the gov’t is supressing them to prevent the poor people from grouping up and openly defying their corruption…man, Cambodians are so poor and how the hell are they gonna get their food??…the gov’t is so daym stupid!!!

    #97371
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    Im sorry to ask but are you khmer?

    If you are, I think you’re one confused dude.

    [i]Originally posted by polens[/i]
    and one more thing, if its a disgrace to have a khmer phd in molecular virology, ill just tell people im chinese. :)

    #97386
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    isagree with helping but preaching a particular religion at the same time. I personally think doing good things for no other reason than doing good things is best. The group I’m involved with doesn’t have a particular religious bent and just does good things because its the right thing to do.

    #97401
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    [i]Originally posted by heng10[/i]
    Im sorry to ask but are you khmer?

    If you are, I think you’re one confused dude.

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by polens[/i]
    and one more thing, if its a disgrace to have a khmer phd in molecular virology, ill just tell people im chinese. :)

    [/quote]

    i give, im not even going to bother with this one.

    be prideful you khmers, be prideful of what we havent got compared to the chinese or vietnamese.

    this debate started because christian charities are being banned in srok khmer, people that want to help us, were banning them. all because we dont want our precious little culture eroded. grab hold to our culture and heritage, all of it, form the great angkor civilization to the teachings of our kids to kill our parents during pol pot. be proud people because we dont need any help, our culture can disintegrate on our very own doings.

    by the way this is my last response, it is obvious my views run contrary to the consensus khmer views here and its a shame. i guess i was too naive to think that khmers could be tolerant of diverse views, but i guess its a lost cause. you people are our future, lets hope that we can progress as a people.

    #97417
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    Buddhism is as empty as Catholicism!
    As in Latin America and Cambodia and in USA, millions profess one or the other and have plenty of empty rituals to prove to others of their devotion!
    It’s a sad state of affair for the spirit.

    #97434
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    1. All that we are is the result of what we have thought.

    2. Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without.

    3. The mind is the source of happiness and unhappiness.

    4. Thousands of cadles can be lighted from a single candle, and the life of the candle will not be shortened. Happniess ne er decrease by being shared.

    5. To live a single day and hear a good teaching is better than to live a hundred years without knowing such teaching.

    6. Attachment is the source of all suffering.

    7. Thous one man conquers a thousand men, a thousand times in battle, he who conquers himself is the greatest warrior.

    8. He who never thinks of anything as mine’ does not feel the lack of anything: he is neaver worried by a sense of loss.

    9. What you are is what you have been, and what you will be is what you do now.

    10. A spoon of salt in a glass of water makes the water undrinkable. A spoon of salt in a lake is almost untoiced.

    11. An idea that is developed and put into action is more important than an idea that exists only as an idea.

    12. Every human being is the author of his own health or disease.

    13. Hatred does not cease by hatred, but only by love; this is the eternal rule.

    14. There are only two mistakes one can make along the road to truth; not going all the way, and not starting.

    15. Without health life is not life; it is only a state of langour and suffering – an image of death.

    16. Those who are free of resentful thoughts surely find peace.

    17. The tongue like a sharp knife… Kills without drawing blood.

    18. Work out your own salvation. Do not depend on others.

    19. A dog is not considered a good dog because he is a good barker. A man is not considered a good man because he is a good talker.

    20. Decay is inherent in all compounded things. Strive on with diligence.

    21. Learn from the past, be prepared for the future, live in the present!

    22. It is a man’s own mind, not his enemy or foe, that lures him to evil ways.

    #97450
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    “…6. Attachment is the source of all suffering….”
    Hmmmm…..?
    Hmmmmm……?
    Should I stop opening my email attachments?

    #97466
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    [i]Originally posted by polens[/i]
    christians have done good work in cambodia. these charities provide to the poor people what the government cant or wont. banning them is more nationalistic/ethnocentric fevor that can harm the progress of cambodia. its a shame that whenever goodness is present, the khmer people in srok khmer wants to drive it out.

    I SECOND THAT

    #97482
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    [i]Originally posted by polens[/i]

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Dario[/i]
    I hope Cambodia stays Buddhist. Buddhism is a very important part of Khmer Culture and Christianity is a threat to Khmer culture.

    what is even a bigger threat is your way of thinking young one. when the khmer rouge killed millions of people, and the refrugees streamed to the thai borders, it was the RED CROSS, the SALVATION ARMY, CARE, and numerous christian charities that feed us and immunize us, it wasnt the freakin thais or the khmer rouge. be grateful![/quote]

    I’M WITH YOU ON THIS ONE! You brought up a good point. Cambodia is always like that. Whenever the good finally given them the opportunity, it seems like they always kick it away.

    #97498
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    i bet there are millions of Asians in Asia, not Cambodia alone have converted to Christianity. take Philipine, SK, China, Japan, etc…these kind of countries have majority of Asian-Christians and goods are always brought to them. but why does Cambodia need to ban Christian when they’re trying to help the CAmbodian people? are Cambodians really blind to see that Christians are supporting and saving their life? what does Buddhist do to help young poor Cambodian children? nothing…but these Christians take their time and helped save LIVES…and that is the important part that they’re simply just following the order of GOD. let alone, they risk their lives. i think these Cambodians should just let it be Christians in CAmbodia. for heaven’s sake, let be there Christians everywhere.

    on the other hand, there are lots of muslims in Cambodia too, why doesn’t Cambodians kick them out too for preaching stuffs that shouldn’t be allow? why got to be Christian alone? what is the deal here and what is this all about now? don’t just attack Christians…attack the Muslims too…sure Cambodia are full of Buddhists but if you don’t want to join then that is fine…but for the people who wants to join is up to them…it’s their lives…not yours.

    i see so many haters and compliants coming out but always put the blame on Christians.

    #97513
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    Its good that they help and all, ….but there’s strings attached.

    The only pure good out there, is goodness without religion.

    #97530
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    [i]Originally posted by Point_Dexter[/i]
    Its good that they help and all, ….but there’s strings attached.

    The only pure good out there, is goodness without religion.

    Bro you don’t get nothing for free…..

    #97548
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    when u guys say that, thats like saying in order for cambodia to do better as a whole the ppl of cambodia has to be christian is that what u mean, as in convert to christians and the country itself will be rich like china and crap, man thats a bunch of bullcrap.
    even if we did that means we’re suppose to owe a great deal to our saviors christians, i rather be still poor then.
    like others have said, if ur gonna help thats great and we apprciate it, just don’t be all shady and have something in mind too like urm, okie since u helped me i will now join and be a true christians. all crap i say.

    [i]Originally posted by funtastikSofia[/i]

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by polens[/i]
    christians have done good work in cambodia. these charities provide to the poor people what the government cant or wont. banning them is more nationalistic/ethnocentric fevor that can harm the progress of cambodia. its a shame that whenever goodness is present, the khmer people in srok khmer wants to drive it out.

    I SECOND THAT [/quote]

    #97565
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    I agree that Christian charities helping out in Cambodia is a good thing. But what I do not agree on is the strings that they attach to this aid. Its like food for giving up your identity. Its unethical for missionaries to convert people who are poor and starving through the use of material aid. Also I thought the ban only covered religious zealots of Christian and Muslim groups. I think its reasonable for the gov. to do this but it shouldnt ban all religious groups outright either!

    As for Polens I think your the one who cannot tolerate other people’s view on this board. Seems so far your the one who is doing most of the name calling around here. It seems that you are ashamed of being Khmer when you keep on referring to Khmers as “you Khmers”. Are you not Khmer also? And I also think you are not listening to the arguments of others as well. No one is denying that the Christian groups are helping out the poor in Cambodia. However, what we are concerned with is their attempt to convert Cambodians in exchange for aid. If you think that this is fine then obviously you don’t see the ethical and moral issues involved in this.

    Also your belief that Buddhism helped to bring about Pol Pot and the death of millions of Cambodians is quite absurd and shows lack of historical understanding of what the Khmer Rouge were all about.

    #97579
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    You took the word of my mouth.
    Well said

    [i]Originally posted by kkhath[/i]
    I agree that Christian charities helping out in Cambodia is a good thing. But what I do not agree on is the strings that they attach to this aid. Its like food for giving up your identity. Its unethical for missionaries to convert people who are poor and starving through the use of material aid. Also I thought the ban only covered religious zealots of Christian and Muslim groups. I think its reasonable for the gov. to do this but it shouldnt ban all religious groups outright either!

    As for Polens I think your the one who cannot tolerate other people’s view on this board. Seems so far your the one who is doing most of the name calling around here. It seems that you are ashamed of being Khmer when you keep on referring to Khmers as “you Khmers”. Are you not Khmer also? And I also think you are not listening to the arguments of others as well. No one is denying that the Christian groups are helping out the poor in Cambodia. However, what we are concerned with is their attempt to convert Cambodians in exchange for aid. If you think that this is fine then obviously you don’t see the ethical and moral issues involved in this.

    Also your belief that Buddhism helped to bring about Pol Pot and the death of millions of Cambodians is quite absurd and shows lack of historical understanding of what the Khmer Rouge were all about.

    #97596
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    You people are so ungrateful because you don

    #97613
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    [i]Originally posted by mudpuppy2112[/i]
    “…6. Attachment is the source of all suffering….”
    Hmmmm…..?
    Hmmmmm……?
    Should I stop opening my email attachments?

    There are good and bad lessons in every books. Take whatever you think is good and go from there.

    #97630
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    “Whatever?”
    Card Blanch?
    I do not believe this freedom is a functional paradigm.

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