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  • #361116
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    He’s a famous Khmer general—that’s all I know. Anybody else wants to add more info about him? I try google his name, it din’t come up.

    #361127
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    a hero that turn into stone by the king little brother who was a monk…The monk had “Mout Tup”….The general was looking for the king brother for him.

    [i]Originally posted by brach[/i]
    He’s a famous Khmer general—that’s all I know. Anybody else wants to add more info about him? I try google his name, it din’t come up.

    #361137
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    dawn…so sad! he was one of my heroes…

    #361145
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    A hero person always goes first…

    #361155
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    I love hearing more about Khmer Heroes. One of them is Decho Dom Din. I don’t know the exact dates or anything. Just around the time when Khmer were absolutely oppressed by foreigners, especially Siamese/Thai. It appears that throughout Khmer history, whenever it appears Khmer are at most oppressed, threatened, there always appear to be some one, Hero, Nek mean buon, who was born at the time to stem off invasions. The reason being is that Khmer is not meant to be lost. It is rooted in the fate of the land. Khmer, despite being cursed, where they are supposed to suffer and oppressed, they are not meant to be lost. Even in today’s time, there will be another Hero who would surface. Perhaps you have heard of Him? Before I will relate on this, let me relate a bit of General Decho Dom Din the way I heard it. My variation changes a bit from telling to telling. So, sorry.

    As a disclaimer, Khmer are mostly rooted in legends. Should those legends come to being depend on each and individual Khmer. How strong are they in their faith? Are they strong enough to stand up in the face of ridicules and disclaimers or are they afraid of what the public or foreigners think? Until Khmer believe in themselves and their origins, until then, Khmer will be powerful.

    Decho Dom Din before He was a general, was a student who learned Pali—Achum Kia Tha or power from the Brahman, Lok Ta Eiy Seye. He specialized in tunneling through Earth and making foot soldiers out of straws or sands. At that time, there was a King of Khmer who employed him to patrol the borders of Khmer, particularly the Khmer-Thai borders. He was able to thwart the many invasions from the Thais by employing his foot soldiers made out of straws.

    Existing around the same time was a novice monk called Lok Nen whose ability from birth is Speak Truth. Because of his magic mouth, he was able to turn anything from death back to living. In a movie of Decho Dom Din, it relates that this young monk is kin to the King of Khmer. That, Decho Dom Din, through his military campaign was offered a Thai princess as a wife. But, I’m not going to delve into that.

    Decho Dom Din, during the most prime of Khmer pride, wanted to reseize the Khmer land from Thai’s occupancy, specifically the land called Bangkok, which Thai have made it into its capitol. He made his way through the Earth to get their, but wanted to discuss his plan with the novice monk, whom he heard about, first. He wanted advice from the novice monk for some reason. He knew the monk was doing meditation in a remote cave. So, he tunneled through to the monk’s cave.

    The monk was chanting prayers to the Buddha as a daily ritual. Decho Dom Din popped out of the ground behind and uttered a word or two before the novice monk put a hand behind him and said “stop”. Unbeknown to the monk, Decho Dom Din froze stiff in silent stone, aka samrit. What the monk meant to say was “wait, let me finish my prayers, then we could discuss strategies.” But, when the monk finished prayer, he, himself, also turned into stones. Decho Dom Din is frozen with his upper body free from the ground, facing the back of Lok Nen, who was frozen while prostrating in prayer.

    The reason why they are frozen is that it is not time, yet. It is not time for Khmer to be released from the curse. In fact, this is one story among many of how Khmer are mostly in stones. Khmer, when they come out of stones, they will be a force to be reckoned with. The tunnel that Decho Dom Din made on his way to Bangkok still exists, and it is said that it is haunted. Only those with high merits may enter the tunnel without being haunted. Otherwise, it is not advisable for others. When the time comes, when the Khmer prophecy comes to maturity, which will not be long now, the first city to be sacked by Khmer will be Bangkok. This is because Decho Dom Din is already situated in the place.

    Believe it or not, Thai know all about it. They have a highly skilled hora(royal predictor), whom they asked to look up the fate of their land every single moment. They know. But, what’s preventing them from usurping Khmer land despite knowing the inevitable? Greed is not a force to be played lightly. This is one powerful vice, which turns weakling of even the mighty whose minds are unchecked with virtues.

    Another hero was Lok Ta Son Kuy, who defended the territory that is lost to the Viets. That territory used to be called Preay Nokor or now called South Vietnam or Kampuchear Krom. There were three brothers who studied under the Brahman, who vowed to keep the secret of their power to protect Khmer borders along the Khmer-Viet line. The Viet tried every single military strategy of force to break through the impregnable force of Khmer Magic, but couldn’t.

    They resorted to employ the tactic of installing prostitutes to woo two of the three Brothers. Under the influence of alcohol and women, the two spilled the beans. When Lok Ta Son Kuy was under attacked, his defense was broken because the Viets knew how to break his force–sapp ah-kum kia tha. Lok Ta Son Kuy knew that his brothers of the same guild had betrayed their oath. Before he surrendered, he took the Teal Tree (Chur Teal) and uprooted it. He said that if Khmer is destined not to be lost, let this up-side-down tree grow.

    Through time, the tree grew. The roots started to sprout shoots and the top of the tree become the trunk. The Viets tried to chop that tree down, but reports have said that every time that they tried to chop it down, they died instead and the tree oozed out blood. It was so haunted, especially toward the Viets trying to cut it down. The reason why they wanted to chop it down was so that they could build roads through it. But, because they couldn’t and because of so many deaths, they had to make their roads around the tree. That tree is so politically guarded that one is afraid take any picture of the tree while in Srok Kampuchear Khmer. Many Khmer Kampuchear Krom, for some reasons, disregard any existence of such a tree. It is sad that I hear this. Khmer needs to know, whether it is legend or not. To disclaim it entirely is a disservice to Khmer heritage in my opinion.

    The Heros of Decho Dom Din, Lok Ta Son Kuy, and Lok Ta Klang Meurng are pretty recent ones where they happened not too long ago, several decades or so. As for other heros like Preah Ko, Preah Keo, and Samdech Klung, they happened centuries before. Yes, Samdech Klung, although He played a crucial part in the curse of Khmer, He was a Khmer Hero, Nek Mean Buon. In a few short time, I may have more info pertaining to Samdech Klung. Because I hear some news of Samdech Klung, I have further hope that Khmer is where Khmer should be. All is well despite the contrary.

    While all of those heros mentioned above were in the past, there is another Khmer hero to come. Until this Khmer Hero surface, then all the Khmer heros in the past may surface. Until then, they remain in Samrit or in Ghost forms. Plus, there are more crucial beings not heard about, yet, but they will help this new hero along when the time comes. This new hero is none other than Preah Batt Thormic. Notice, in His title is the word “Thor”, which means Dhamma, which means He who will rule by the Dhamma. He is the Supreme Hero. Under Him will all be released.

    :)

    #361164
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    the 3 horoes of ur are my heroes as well, but for Preah Ko & Preah Keo, u got to far hehe…i don’t think they exist, it was just a fairy tail to help united khmer people in time of war…as for Samdech Klung, r u sure that wasn’t the same as Lok Ta Klang Meurng? if not, he the new guy that i must research on…

    [i]Originally posted by reksmay[/i]
    The Heros of Decho Dom Din, Lok Ta Son Kuy, and Lok Ta Klang Meurng are pretty recent ones where they happened not too long ago, several decades or so. As for other heros like Preah Ko, Preah Keo, and Samdech Klung, they happened centuries before. Yes, Samdech Klung, although He played a crucial part in the curse of Khmer, He was a Khmer Hero, Nek Mean Buon. In a few short time, I may have more info pertaining to Samdech Klung. Because I hear some news of Samdech Klung, I have further hope that Khmer is where Khmer should be. All is well despite the contrary.

    #361174
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    Preah Ko Preah Keo, whether you believe or not pertains to not only Khmer history, but religious as well. I have talked about their come about in previous posts. In fact, when all is well again in a few short years, you will know. In the early 1980s, Preah Ko returned to Cambodia. Perhaps you haven’t not heard about that. Whether or not you know, my parents have seen Preah Ko. As for Preah Keo, whether or not He is samrit, depends on people’s view. As far as I am concerned, He has taken new form. Already, He is among us. Do you have the eyes to see Him? Can’t force you to do anything. Just giving you infos.

    As for Lok Ta Klang Meurng, He is still Ghost. He won’t be allowed to reincarnate until all is well, until Khmer reclaims their land again. As for Samdech Klung, I’ll discuss further in short future should I get more info. Again, what I am saying calls heavily on faith. Do you have enough faith and intelligence to decipher? It is all up to you to decide. I’m just bringing info as I see it and believe it.

    Let it be known that when I discuss things pertaining to Khmer, I am stressing very much on faith, karma, reincarnation, etc., and especially on intelligence. One must decipher info and one must connect with their faith as well as tradition. All sounds bizzare, especially in today’s technology and scientific views. One must ask when one disregard one’s heritage and culture, where will one be? Do we have anything to call us, us?

    Anyway, it’s all talk right now. But, in a few short time, we will know Truth.

    :)

    #361193
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    I think there a Khmer cult in cambodia that worship Khleang Moeung

    http://www.taxivantha.com/1_Cambodia/1206_khleang_moeung.htm

    “After this victory Chey Ahcha was crowned King Preah Chey Chehsda of Cambodia. He ordered a ceremony to commemorate the spirit of his army chief, who earned the title “Nhek Ta Khleang Moeung”.
    The people in Pursat have repeated the ceremony every year since. Cambodians believe this Nheak Ta is very powerful and can fulfil every wish they pray for.

    [Message last modified 02-05-2008 09:09pm by ------]

    #361183
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    What ever the case, it is all Khmer. The Truth will be revealed in short future.

    :)

    #361204
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    Preah Ko Preah Keo is the reincarnation of Jaycaraman Vii or is the other way around i forgot..As you know all these khmer hero the all are general to the king courts…Time will come short like reksmay said…:)

    #361214
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    Still not buying,, reksmey…if u know about Preah Ko Preah Keo…in the story when Preah battled with a mechanical bull…that is phony…how can the Thai build a mechanical bull…not sure if any country now can build such live build from metal,not to metion couple century ago…anyway…truth will alway previal…just telling u that it was just a unity story for the khmer.

    #361224
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    rumors is that preah ko and preah keo is capture by the thai..That why cambodia is what is is now till the time prevail

    [i]Originally posted by KmERBoy[/i]
    Still not buying,, reksmey…if u know about Preah Ko Preah Keo…in the story when Preah battled with a mechanical bull…that is phony…how can the Thai build a mechanical bull…not sure if any country now can build such live build from metal,not to metion couple century ago…anyway…truth will alway previal…just telling u that it was just a unity story for the khmer.

    #361234
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    One may perceive it as unity story, but one may also perceive it as true history. I have a mind to decipher as thus. Whatever the case, all will be revealed soon. Should you believe, it is up to you. I am just recounting my version right now. Preah Ko was made to fight with the Siamese Bull. That was how He lost one horn. It is seen til now in His samrit.

    Here is the story from a combination of understandings from my parents’ tale and from Lok Ta’s tale. I honor my parents and I honor Lok Ta, who are both my parents and mine’s God/Buddha. Take it or leave it. Just telling you my background. We perceive Him to be the next Buddha as well as the Khmer Hero. We are blessed to see the Boddhisattva who will be the next Buddha. We are also blessed to know who will redeem Khmer from its cursed fate. All will be revealed shortly. So, I’m not forcing anything on anybody. Just telling where I am coming from.

    In ancient time, there was a Khmer Queen. Don’t know her name, but she was pregnant for more than 9 months. The royal viceroy, etc., accused her of being cursed. They convinced the king to banish her to the woods to fend for herself. One day in the woods, she craved some mangos growing so high in the tree. She climbed to get it, but slipped and fell to the ground. She died with her womb opened. The first who came first was a black cow. He has magic. The second was his human brother, whom He called “Keo”.

    The Cow fed and nurtured His human brother with His magic. In addition, He helped the locals with His magic as well by providing foods, clothings, music, culture, etc. News got out that there is a Heavenly Being in the area. This news reached all the way to the Siamese Court. The Siamese King loved heritage and culture, specifically the Khmer’s. He wanted the Cow captured at all cost. So, The Cow and His brother Keo were chased from one province after another. In each province, His own Khmer people were corrupted to accept briberies from the Siamese as there was significant gold promised with the capture of The Cow and His brother. Every time, The Cow managed to escape with His brother clinging to His tale in the air. After so long fleeing and finding ephemeral respite in one village before they were forced to flee again, The Cow gave up fleeing.

    The Cow saw that His people were too greedy and ignorant. They easily believe into Siamese proganda that they are cursed and must be captured for rewards. Little did they think/ask why the Siamese wanted their capture in the first place. Little did they see the benefits that Preah Ko offered to Khmer and only Khmer. Blinded by the promised golds, they did the Siamese’ bidding.

    Before Preah Ko completely surrender to the Siamese’s demands, He extracted a contract that after 500 years, He must return to His homeland. The Siamese agreed. So, Preah Ko produced all the Khmer kappi—arts, culture, musics, etc…for the Siamese to use and call them theirs. They only has a right to call those Khmer arts, culture, etc., theirs for 500 years. After which, they will be back to the rightful heir. Then Preah Ko and Preah Keo became samrit. The Siamese casted a seven level spell of binding on Preah Ko. They forgot Preah Keo. Thinking that Preah Keo was ordinary human kid with no magic, they did not worry about Preah Keo’s escape. This is very fortunate for Khmer as it turned out.

    So, the Siamese took Preah Ko and Preah Keo captive in their land. The King of Siam was joyous because to Him who believed in the Hora, as long as He has a Heavenly Being, Nek Mean Buon, in his country, his country will be prosperous. So, Siam become more powerful afterward. They are big, especially in the Southeast Asia. Everything you may heard of today, it all belongs to Thai or that Thai has the dominant name. Little is heard of about Khmer. For example, where Thai cinema was lagging in ancient times and Khmer cinema was powerful, now Khmer has to tune in to their cinema. They tune into Thai first before Khmer turn to other cultures. Khmer are in a state of decline so they perceive all the cultures that are not Khmer superior. Such is the curse of Khmer.

    In around 1982, Preah Ko was seen back in Khmer territory. The Thai king was flabbergasted for how could the contract ended so soon?! In fact, the contract didn’t end. Preah Ko sensed great pains were experienced by the Khmer refugees as they were oppressed by the Thais at every single moment. The time was very harsh. I was too young to know, but my parents could attest to this. They were in Thai refugee camp for a short period, but because they saw the harsh condition and the fact that they had small children to contend with, they did not risk the hardship until years later. They were in Phnom Penh at the time. They were able to vouch for the appearance of Preah Ko in Khmer soil.

    What happened was a homeless lady was made to dream of treasures in the dump ground she slept on. She dug and dug and true enough she saw gold. In her delusional ecstacy, her news traveled fast for greedy people always have long ears. This news traveled all the way to the Viets as well, who came to the site waay before the Khmers ever did. They tried to loot the area, but found only snakes in the hole. Then the Khmer came and burn incense and offerings to ask for the treasure. Then, Preah Ko was revealed. News presses took pictures, but got only white sparks where Preah Ko’s image should have been. Then they remember to burn incense and ask for permission before they were allowed to take pictures. Preah Ko was hailed back to the palace in a grand procession. There was great national pride at the time.

    Preah Ko was allowed to be on exhibition and rows and rows of viewers were allowed to walk through only and not linger in their viewing of Preah Ko’s samrit. Those who saw His picture reported to have seen Him caught in mid flight about to burst from the picture, not as samrit form as seen in real life. My parents could attest to this. When national pride was so great, proganda that Preah Ko is unreal and a sham started to surface again. They started to ban people from the exhibit and started to hid Preah Ko’s samrit and told people to go home. There was no such thing. The objective was to reduce Khmer’s mentality so that they are able to be more controlled. They worked! Afterall, Khmer are easily fooled.

    The Thai king wondered why Preah Ko broke His contract. The Hora told the king that because of the oppression Khmer experienced under the Thai while in the Ref camp, Preah Ko must go back to Khmer land. For Preah Ko to return to captivity under Thai’s land, Thai must promise to treat Khmer Refugees with more gentle hand. Return Khmer refugees back into more of Thai territory and not so at the border or Preah Ko would not go back. Of course, Thai had already beg for the French’s financial assistance to build the refugee villages near the borders. They would look bad if they told the reason for returning all the building supplies was over some superstitions. These Thais believe in superstitions, but they are not fooled enough to allow foreigners to think they are inferior because they believe in superstitions. Unlike Khmer who are so easily fooled and malleable under more superior ideas, devalueing their own in the process. So, Thais never fulfilled its end of the bargain where the Hora predicted. So, ’til this day, as far as I know, Preah Ko is still in Khmer territory.

    Here’s more recent news to tie things abit. Preah Ko was/is Enn incarnate and Preah Keo was/was Maitreya Boddhisattva. The story goes that in Heaven, Preah Enn wanted Maitreya Buddha to-be to go back on Earth to lead man from darkness. Maitreya Buddha refused Preah Enn. He said, “Preah Enn, you have no idea what it’s like on Earth. Have you been up in Heaven for so long that you forgotten how humans have changed, have lost faith, recently?” Preah Enn did not believe Maitreya Buddha to-be. Maitreya Buddha to-be challenged Preah Enn. He said “Preah Enn, if you don’t believe me. Why don’t you accompany me down on Earth and find out?”

    So, that was how they were born. Preah Enn took a form of a cow. He got magic. While Maitreya Buddha took form of a human. He got no power. The problem with Khmer mentality is that instead of looking at a long pregnancy as something to behold, extraordinary, they view it as a curse. They believe too much on the negative first and shun the positive side. Extraordinary beings because they must take rebirth on Earth to test humans’ faith, they often perform extraordinary feats, unnatural. Despite seeing magic in their eyes, Khmer still got blinded by greed and easily corrupted. They are cursed as a result of their blindness. The province, forgot what province it was that Preah Ko was captured, was the only Province in Khmer where it is most oppressed with poverty.

    Preah Ko made a contract for 500 years for in 500 years’ time after His capture, Khmer will have a new Hero, Nek Mean Buon, who would come to rescue Khmer from its cursed fate. Because in 500 years’ time, the curse set on by Lok Ta Eiy Seiy who cursed the Samdech Klung will be lifted around that time. Preah Ko, despite being in Khmer land, is still being bound by the 7 level binding spell. But, to some recent event/accomplished deeds by Lok Ta, the 7 binding spell is lifted, I think to my knowledge thus far. This means only one thing. Khmer magic is more superior than Thai’s now. This means the Khmer magic is not of the same caliber as the previous Khmer magic used by previous Kings. They are more superior and are wielded by a more superior being.

    It was a good thing that the Thais did not look too much in binding Preah Keo for to them Preah Keo was merely a human boy. In my perception, this is Khmer’s blessings. For without this, should they happened to bind even Preah Keo to keep it safe, Khmer would not be redeemed at all and all is lost, in my opinion. Preah Keo was none other than Maitreya Buddha to-be as Preah Po-ti-sat. He was accompanied by Deities the moment His samrit occured and was free from being captured/bound by any spells. The next existence of Maitreya Buddha to-be was in Preah Samdech Chun Nat. He was also another Khmer Hero. He valued Khmer culture and traditions. He was the only Scholar who could create new Khmer words from Pali words. Khmer are too much influenced by foreign values and He was active in instilling culture. He died around age 80 years old. Not sure the cause of death.

    Anyway, at His death He was accompanied by Deities. The Deities escorted Him to the Gate Keeper who asked for a fare to cross. Samdech Chun Nat said He was a monk. He has no fare. The Gate Keeper replied, then what are all those carts of gold behind you? The Deities replied that those golds are Lok Ta Chun Nat’s treasure of merits. Lok Ta Chun Nat replied to the Gate Keeper to take all for His pass. The Gate Keeper said a few coins would do and all the golds disappeared. Then, the Deity asked Lok Ta Chun Nat where whould He want to go visit? Lok Ta Chun Nat asked to visit hell.

    In Hell, He was curious of the black stream running across His path. He was thirsty and wanted to drink from it. The Deity stopped Him. He told Lok Ta Chun Nat that that water was not meant for Him to drink for to drink from it, He would erase all His memory. Then, the Deity showed Him further into hell. He saw many creatures crying in pain and anguish from the torture they constantly received. The moment they died from a beheading, immediately they are reborn again only to receive the same injuries. There was so much sufferings. Often, He was being implored by the hell creatures for they recognize Him as Heavenly Being. They asked if He has heard anything from their living relatives, their children? Have they brought sustainance, food, clothings, etc…, for they are constantly cold, hungry, thirsty, etc…It was so bad that Lok Ta chanted a Sutra—”Sokator Hor-mi, Af-yo Hor-mi, Aviro Hor-mi”, immediately He was brought back in Heaven. I’m not sure if I got the right chant, but it is something close to it. This is Maitreya Buddha’s Sutra. Chant this stanza and one will find peace for Deities will protect you because you have invoked their protections by believing in them.

    In Heaven, there was a congregation of all Deities. The King of Heaven or Sakka was looking for the heir to the throne. Who ever could sit on the throne without being burned gets to spread Dhamma down on Earth. All the Deities qualified have tried out. All dressed in their fine glory of Deities, completely with jewels and decorative ornaments as befitting Deities up in Heaven, all tried on the throne. All cried that they got burned. Sakka was very distressed for it is nearly time for a Heavenly Being to be born on Earth. If no one coming to claim the throne, it means doom for human kind. Just then, Lok Ta appeared from His trip from Hell.

    Sakka wanted to rush, thinking that enough time has been wasted as one minute in Heaven is translated to one year on Earth. Lok Ta Chun Nat is no longer robed in saffron colored monk’s robe. He is now dressed in white robe, His new religion’s attire. He made His way to the throne with all the sneering and snickerings from the Deities who’d tried and failed. Lok Ta sat on the throne and meditated on it without any hint of burning or pain. Finally, it dawned on Sakka that Dhamma could only be spread by one who completely relinquish all desires, pure of mind, serene as the water, or Dhamma could not be kept at all. Lok Ta had relinquished all worldly ornaments and taken a simple robe of ascetics, it is only He who could spread Dhamma.

    So, Sakka begged Lok Ta to take rebirth immediately for to delay any longer, the prophecy would not be met in time. All those incidences, from the moment Lok Ta Chun Nat “chol ti songkut” and shown hell realm to be tested in heaven realm, all those times, it took Earth seven years to pass. He was born at time of Pol Pot era. He was being tortured, but to no avail for He was being protected by Mother Angel who milked him when He was left to starve to death in a completely shuttered barrel. He was made to lift human skulls, which were quite heavy for a tiny boy to lift. He was told to tell His parents to “damm chur khoh” for silence. He saw how His father was so sick and suffered so much. In His pain and anguish, He could not do anything for His father other than to keep him clean and fed and comfortable. He wanted to feed His father. He asked Mother Angel if He could feed His father the food She had given Him. To which, Mother Angel said that He could not for such foods are only meant for Him and not His father. These are foods stem from merits/magic. His father could not eat such foods. So, He prayed by a pond to catch a fish so that He may feed His father and He did. His father passed away, but left His mother.

    Throughout His childhood, He was visited by Deities, Sakka, who revealed themselves and asked Him to meditate, to remember His previous existence and to remember why He was born. He meditated and remembered. He was told to continue meditating and to constantly head toward the place where He would set up the temple right now. Until He’d reached an age of 26 years, He may revealed Himself. To do before hand would jeapardize the mission. So, at age 26 years old, He revealed Himself of who He is, what His mission is, should anyone follow is up to them.

    Of course, this did not come without rivalries. He built a temple out of woods. Protestors from all directions antagonized Him, accused Him of being a false prophet. They burned down the temple He built. He received more fundings by His loyal supporters who have faith in Him. This time He built them out of concrete or stones. See if any more would burn them down? The protestors came back to beg for forgiveness and He remained standing to this day. To those with eyes and mind, if He is a false prophet, would He remained after all those protests and vandalisms? Even when there is no problems, those that used to support Him turned against Him? What did He do? Nothing. Karma played itself out.

    A french lady who gave Him fundings to build. She requested a vila be built in her honor. A vila was built in her honor. She gave Him more money for other purpose. She went back to France and traveled further abroad to bad mouth that He was a fraud, who could not be trusted. Seven days later, she was hit by a car. Why seven days? We are talking about instantness here. It is said in Buddist texts that when one offers to the Buddha, the reward is instant. Take the story of Queen Mallika for example. She was offered the status of queen when she offered Buddha her food and not His deciples. Here, Lok Ta is the Arahat, Preah Po-ti-sat Toor Ong Preah Se-Ar Metrei. The effects are almost immediate. That is why I am saying that in a short time at all, all will be revealed. One should do is not be like the French lady, but commit merits and wish for goodness not bad mouthing others like the French lady.

    There are more stories, but let it be known that if it is not the Buddha, He would not be standing firm in the face of obstacles. Those that oppose Him, in due time, will be deminished by their own karma. That is why He does not really care whether or not any believes Him. He is not forcing anybody to believe against their will. But, He did admonish that if you don’t believe, just don’t go insulting for He had seen many, many examples already where such insults do not bode well for the doers. We have seen it to be the case even with our current Buddha, where once upon eons when He was a Boddhisattva, at a time when there was no Supreme Buddha, He once insulted a Pacceka Buddha (Silent Buddha) in His greed to become a Buddha Himself. He was punished, inescapable by karma.

    At present, He is leading humans, Khmer and other ethnic groups who believe in Buddhism, to commit merits for the purpose of escaping the Third Field of Death aka WW3 and the Four Traps of Nature—Earth(Earthquake), Fire(Volcano), Air(Tornados, hurricanes), Water(Tsunami, floods, snow). Because in WW3, in addition to man killing man, Nature will kill man as well. We have seen such examples already. One may disclaim this to global warming. Whatever the case, one cannot dispute the facts that people have suffered more natural disasters in areas where such natural disasters have never even known before. Get used to it. If one calls is global warming. So be it.

    Man will kill without apparent reasons. To the unintelligent mind, it appears as thus. But, to those who are aware of such phenomenon, they have better explanations for such explanations will help them avoid negative karma and cultivate good karma. Life is too short. Learn to learn from others’ mistakes. It is said that Asuras, demons who could assume human forms to create chaos, will be released from hell to fulfill their roles in the prophecy. They will assume human minds with little Dhamma, and they will warped their minds to perform deeds that are unexplicable by the living. We have seen such examples already. The famous Canadian Wrestler killed his wife and child and then killed himself without any apparent reason. Cho went on a shooting spree killing 20 people or so before killing himself. The kid, forgot his name, went to the mall to kill a bunch of customers in his path before killing himself. There are more reports. Yet, I don’t want to concentrate on it.

    I want to concentrate on the fact that while all this is going on, it is even more of an incentive to push one to commit acts of goodness for only goodness will one be able to escape such catastrophy. In a time of killing, one may escape bullets from one’s merits. When volcano erupts, floodings in the area, hurricane, tornado, etc., occur and when one happened to be in that area at the wrong time, then one may escape being swept by such catastrophy by one’s merits. Otherwise, there is no luck.

    Anyway, eventually Lok Ta will assume other roles vital for all humanity. When that time comes, bloodshed will be predominant. Think the situations in Iraq, Pakistan and related countries in the Middle East are the worst? We have not seen what is predicted, yet. I am just giving you a glimpse of what is said to happen. Imagine nuclear vapor enveloping the whole face of the earth. How could anyone escape such toxicity? This is instant death if there is such a case. When it got so bad, that is when a Hero must be summoned by China. I’m giving another abbreviation to shorten the story as it is getting late.

    When it was absolute that a Hero is need to neutralize the situations, that is when Preah Batt Thormic showed up. His appearance would not be easy as much bloodshed and mistaken paths to reach where He would meditate. It would not be easy to save mankind for mankind are so stubborn and corrupted in nature. When the status quo is neutralized, few humans will remain. These humans are said to have accumulated tremendous merits to remain alive. Those that were accidently killed may be revived by a mist from heaven.

    It is said that a seven-day sermon will be delivered in the Heart of the Land. This sermon will relate all the events from beginning to end. As far as I am concerned, I love listening to sermons. So, I plan to be there and therefore I strive hard to get there. It is said that the catastrophy will happen mostly likely in 2008, sometimes in 2008. It will take 3 or 4 years for it to end. So, I surmise year 2012 is the time when peace is met. Without knowing HeAtz_On’s cause, I have agreed to some extent that His prediction of year 2012 in one of his post in the R&P forum has some merit.

    Now, I have relate to most informations thus far. They are combinations of faith and reality. One must choose for oneself. I only have some info to pass along as they are my Truths. The time when the war end, it will be an auspicious time for Khmer for Khmer will be under a new name. It will be called Vunkotborei or similar name for it means Peace encompassing or all loving. Khmer will be a force to be reckoned with in the short future. It is because Khmer will be dominated by a capable leader who could put out the world’s fire. Dhamma will radiate from Nokor Vunkotborei for there will be Five Buddhas at the center of the Nokor. They are in the building at this moment should anyone care to know about it. To think, in year 2000, there was just a small temple that was threatened by protestors and vandalizers. Now, there are numerous temples and shrines and several giant Buddhas to boot to meet any protestors and vandalizers. This is not to boast, but it is to show that can evil get away with their karma?

    I could go on and on, but I got to stop my mind from think too much. One thing just leads to another and pretty soon I have to go to work without a wink of sleep. So, if you have any questions or if there is some issues brought up and I find them relatable, I will do so accordingly. My purpose is to share my opinion and opinion only.

    :)

    #361244
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    KmERBoy
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    reksmey…..
    the story u had told about Preah Ko Preah Keo is another version that i had never heard of,,,it got me thinking though…like i told u before if watever u said were true i would regret it very much for i ignore preah ko preah keo as fairy…love the story…not sure how u get all these story where im not familiar with…any way, i need more research on this…

    for Lok Ta,,,as the reincanation of CHun NAt or as the next buddha…ummmmm……not at this moment…need time for me to give in…but i will b wait to see 2008 castastrophy :D and end 2012…looking forward to it…
    thank for sharing the story..got anymore of those?

    #361254
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    reksmay
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    No problem. It is my purpose anyway to tell as much as I know. Like I said, it is not for everyone. You are entitled to your skepticisms. There is no coersion. Just providing info in a world full of ignorance.

    Buddha encourages one to experience, to verify before he accepts to someone’s standard. This is no difference. But, from my point of view, either you have it or you don’t. When you wait for proof, it may be too late. For time waits for no one. Time has sped. It will benefit those who are aware and those who remain in ignorance.

    “Khmer nov malup Po”. This phrase saids Khmer lack great faith, tremendously. It is understandable that my effort has little penetration. But, I am trying for the benefit of everyone, including myself. I like to listen to sermons. Hence, I know and understand more info. So, if you have not listened to much sermon, I wouldn’t expect you to know what I understand.

    Much peace and compassion.

    :)

    #361264
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    HeAtz_oN
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    If you want to know that exactly story of preah ko preah keo. Contact the monk in Wat khmer Puthipreak..

    the missing prince Naradipo is the reincarnation of Preah Ko Preah Keo & Jayvaraman VII. Prince Naradipo is the son of HM Preah Baht Norodom Chanreangsey adn the student of HM Preah Baht Chun Nat. But some claim that he still alive and some claim that he is dead since 1975.

    [i]Originally posted by KmERBoy[/i]
    reksmey…..
    the story u had told about Preah Ko Preah Keo is another version that i had never heard of,,,it got me thinking though…like i told u before if watever u said were true i would regret it very much for i ignore preah ko preah keo as fairy…love the story…not sure how u get all these story where im not familiar with…any way, i need more research on this…

    for Lok Ta,,,as the reincanation of CHun NAt or as the next buddha…ummmmm……not at this moment…need time for me to give in…but i will b wait to see 2008 castastrophy :D and end 2012…looking forward to it…
    thank for sharing the story..got anymore of those?

    [Message last modified 02-06-2008 09:13am by HeAtz_oN]

    #361275
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    HeAtz_oN
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    Reksmay, if i may ask. HM Preah Baht Chun Nat is a royalty blood line and also a former khmer king or prince, I may have forgot which one..Does your Lok Ta, who claim to be the future buddha or the re-birth remember or know any of his blood line. The reason I ask becuase you are trying to convince me and others that he is the re-birth of HM Preah Baht Chun Natt and not knowing own his blood line, becuase he drink that water that erase his memory. And there is a few in america, that also claim to be HM Preah Baht Chun Natt..most are so call Kru “masters”. But when question and put to the test they have fail. From my understand from someone who has such great merit and mystic power cannot identfy at least 1 royalty blood. Great khmer king build ancient temples to provide protection to the ppl. What does the 5 buddha that your lok ta is building represent? Have you heard about Lok Ta La-ngong Ah’yuk veng?

    [i]Originally posted by reksmay[/i]
    One may perceive it as unity story, but one may also perceive it as true history. I have a mind to decipher as thus. Whatever the case, all will be revealed soon. Should you believe, it is up to you. I am just recounting my version right now. Preah Ko was made to fight with the Siamese Bull. That was how He lost one horn. It is seen til now in His samrit.

    Here is the story from a combination of understandings from my parents’ tale and from Lok Ta’s tale. I honor my parents and I honor Lok Ta, who are both my parents and mine’s God/Buddha. Take it or leave it. Just telling you my background. We perceive Him to be the next Buddha as well as the Khmer Hero. We are blessed to see the Boddhisattva who will be the next Buddha. We are also blessed to know who will redeem Khmer from its cursed fate. All will be revealed shortly. So, I’m not forcing anything on anybody. Just telling where I am coming from.

    In ancient time, there was a Khmer Queen. Don’t know her name, but she was pregnant for more than 9 months. The royal viceroy, etc., accused her of being cursed. They convinced the king to banish her to the woods to fend for herself. One day in the woods, she craved some mangos growing so high in the tree. She climbed to get it, but slipped and fell to the ground. She died with her womb opened. The first who came first was a black cow. He has magic. The second was his human brother, whom He called “Keo”.

    The Cow fed and nurtured His human brother with His magic. In addition, He helped the locals with His magic as well by providing foods, clothings, music, culture, etc. News got out that there is a Heavenly Being in the area. This news reached all the way to the Siamese Court. The Siamese King loved heritage and culture, specifically the Khmer’s. He wanted the Cow captured at all cost. So, The Cow and His brother Keo were chased from one province after another. In each province, His own Khmer people were corrupted to accept briberies from the Siamese as there was significant gold promised with the capture of The Cow and His brother. Every time, The Cow managed to escape with His brother clinging to His tale in the air. After so long fleeing and finding ephemeral respite in one village before they were forced to flee again, The Cow gave up fleeing.

    The Cow saw that His people were too greedy and ignorant. They easily believe into Siamese proganda that they are cursed and must be captured for rewards. Little did they think/ask why the Siamese wanted their capture in the first place. Little did they see the benefits that Preah Ko offered to Khmer and only Khmer. Blinded by the promised golds, they did the Siamese’ bidding.

    Before Preah Ko completely surrender to the Siamese’s demands, He extracted a contract that after 500 years, He must return to His homeland. The Siamese agreed. So, Preah Ko produced all the Khmer kappi—arts, culture, musics, etc…for the Siamese to use and call them theirs. They only has a right to call those Khmer arts, culture, etc., theirs for 500 years. After which, they will be back to the rightful heir. Then Preah Ko and Preah Keo became samrit. The Siamese casted a seven level spell of binding on Preah Ko. They forgot Preah Keo. Thinking that Preah Keo was ordinary human kid with no magic, they did not worry about Preah Keo’s escape. This is very fortunate for Khmer as it turned out.

    So, the Siamese took Preah Ko and Preah Keo captive in their land. The King of Siam was joyous because to Him who believed in the Hora, as long as He has a Heavenly Being, Nek Mean Buon, in his country, his country will be prosperous. So, Siam become more powerful afterward. They are big, especially in the Southeast Asia. Everything you may heard of today, it all belongs to Thai or that Thai has the dominant name. Little is heard of about Khmer. For example, where Thai cinema was lagging in ancient times and Khmer cinema was powerful, now Khmer has to tune in to their cinema. They tune into Thai first before Khmer turn to other cultures. Khmer are in a state of decline so they perceive all the cultures that are not Khmer superior. Such is the curse of Khmer.

    In around 1982, Preah Ko was seen back in Khmer territory. The Thai king was flabbergasted for how could the contract ended so soon?! In fact, the contract didn’t end. Preah Ko sensed great pains were experienced by the Khmer refugees as they were oppressed by the Thais at every single moment. The time was very harsh. I was too young to know, but my parents could attest to this. They were in Thai refugee camp for a short period, but because they saw the harsh condition and the fact that they had small children to contend with, they did not risk the hardship until years later. They were in Phnom Penh at the time. They were able to vouch for the appearance of Preah Ko in Khmer soil.

    What happened was a homeless lady was made to dream of treasures in the dump ground she slept on. She dug and dug and true enough she saw gold. In her delusional ecstacy, her news traveled fast for greedy people always have long ears. This news traveled all the way to the Viets as well, who came to the site waay before the Khmers ever did. They tried to loot the area, but found only snakes in the hole. Then the Khmer came and burn incense and offerings to ask for the treasure. Then, Preah Ko was revealed. News presses took pictures, but got only white sparks where Preah Ko’s image should have been. Then they remember to burn incense and ask for permission before they were allowed to take pictures. Preah Ko was hailed back to the palace in a grand procession. There was great national pride at the time.

    Preah Ko was allowed to be on exhibition and rows and rows of viewers were allowed to walk through only and not linger in their viewing of Preah Ko’s samrit. Those who saw His picture reported to have seen Him caught in mid flight about to burst from the picture, not as samrit form as seen in real life. My parents could attest to this. When national pride was so great, proganda that Preah Ko is unreal and a sham started to surface again. They started to ban people from the exhibit and started to hid Preah Ko’s samrit and told people to go home. There was no such thing. The objective was to reduce Khmer’s mentality so that they are able to be more controlled. They worked! Afterall, Khmer are easily fooled.

    The Thai king wondered why Preah Ko broke His contract. The Hora told the king that because of the oppression Khmer experienced under the Thai while in the Ref camp, Preah Ko must go back to Khmer land. For Preah Ko to return to captivity under Thai’s land, Thai must promise to treat Khmer Refugees with more gentle hand. Return Khmer refugees back into more of Thai territory and not so at the border or Preah Ko would not go back. Of course, Thai had already beg for the French’s financial assistance to build the refugee villages near the borders. They would look bad if they told the reason for returning all the building supplies was over some superstitions. These Thais believe in superstitions, but they are not fooled enough to allow foreigners to think they are inferior because they believe in superstitions. Unlike Khmer who are so easily fooled and malleable under more superior ideas, devalueing their own in the process. So, Thais never fulfilled its end of the bargain where the Hora predicted. So, ’til this day, as far as I know, Preah Ko is still in Khmer territory.

    Here’s more recent news to tie things abit. Preah Ko was/is Enn incarnate and Preah Keo was/was Maitreya Boddhisattva. The story goes that in Heaven, Preah Enn wanted Maitreya Buddha to-be to go back on Earth to lead man from darkness. Maitreya Buddha refused Preah Enn. He said, “Preah Enn, you have no idea what it’s like on Earth. Have you been up in Heaven for so long that you forgotten how humans have changed, have lost faith, recently?” Preah Enn did not believe Maitreya Buddha to-be. Maitreya Buddha to-be challenged Preah Enn. He said “Preah Enn, if you don’t believe me. Why don’t you accompany me down on Earth and find out?”

    So, that was how they were born. Preah Enn took a form of a cow. He got magic. While Maitreya Buddha took form of a human. He got no power. The problem with Khmer mentality is that instead of looking at a long pregnancy as something to behold, extraordinary, they view it as a curse. They believe too much on the negative first and shun the positive side. Extraordinary beings because they must take rebirth on Earth to test humans’ faith, they often perform extraordinary feats, unnatural. Despite seeing magic in their eyes, Khmer still got blinded by greed and easily corrupted. They are cursed as a result of their blindness. The province, forgot what province it was that Preah Ko was captured, was the only Province in Khmer where it is most oppressed with poverty.

    Preah Ko made a contract for 500 years for in 500 years’ time after His capture, Khmer will have a new Hero, Nek Mean Buon, who would come to rescue Khmer from its cursed fate. Because in 500 years’ time, the curse set on by Lok Ta Eiy Seiy who cursed the Samdech Klung will be lifted around that time. Preah Ko, despite being in Khmer land, is still being bound by the 7 level binding spell. But, to some recent event/accomplished deeds by Lok Ta, the 7 binding spell is lifted, I think to my knowledge thus far. This means only one thing. Khmer magic is more superior than Thai’s now. This means the Khmer magic is not of the same caliber as the previous Khmer magic used by previous Kings. They are more superior and are wielded by a more superior being.

    It was a good thing that the Thais did not look too much in binding Preah Keo for to them Preah Keo was merely a human boy. In my perception, this is Khmer’s blessings. For without this, should they happened to bind even Preah Keo to keep it safe, Khmer would not be redeemed at all and all is lost, in my opinion. Preah Keo was none other than Maitreya Buddha to-be as Preah Po-ti-sat. He was accompanied by Deities the moment His samrit occured and was free from being captured/bound by any spells. The next existence of Maitreya Buddha to-be was in Preah Samdech Chun Nat. He was also another Khmer Hero. He valued Khmer culture and traditions. He was the only Scholar who could create new Khmer words from Pali words. Khmer are too much influenced by foreign values and He was active in instilling culture. He died around age 80 years old. Not sure the cause of death.

    Anyway, at His death He was accompanied by Deities. The Deities escorted Him to the Gate Keeper who asked for a fare to cross. Samdech Chun Nat said He was a monk. He has no fare. The Gate Keeper replied, then what are all those carts of gold behind you? The Deities replied that those golds are Lok Ta Chun Nat’s treasure of merits. Lok Ta Chun Nat replied to the Gate Keeper to take all for His pass. The Gate Keeper said a few coins would do and all the golds disappeared. Then, the Deity asked Lok Ta Chun Nat where whould He want to go visit? Lok Ta Chun Nat asked to visit hell.

    In Hell, He was curious of the black stream running across His path. He was thirsty and wanted to drink from it. The Deity stopped Him. He told Lok Ta Chun Nat that that water was not meant for Him to drink for to drink from it, He would erase all His memory. Then, the Deity showed Him further into hell. He saw many creatures crying in pain and anguish from the torture they constantly received. The moment they died from a beheading, immediately they are reborn again only to receive the same injuries. There was so much sufferings. Often, He was being implored by the hell creatures for they recognize Him as Heavenly Being. They asked if He has heard anything from their living relatives, their children? Have they brought sustainance, food, clothings, etc…, for they are constantly cold, hungry, thirsty, etc…It was so bad that Lok Ta chanted a Sutra—”Sokator Hor-mi, Af-yo Hor-mi, Aviro Hor-mi”, immediately He was brought back in Heaven. I’m not sure if I got the right chant, but it is something close to it. This is Maitreya Buddha’s Sutra. Chant this stanza and one will find peace for Deities will protect you because you have invoked their protections by believing in them.

    In Heaven, there was a congregation of all Deities. The King of Heaven or Sakka was looking for the heir to the throne. Who ever could sit on the throne without being burned gets to spread Dhamma down on Earth. All the Deities qualified have tried out. All dressed in their fine glory of Deities, completely with jewels and decorative ornaments as befitting Deities up in Heaven, all tried on the throne. All cried that they got burned. Sakka was very distressed for it is nearly time for a Heavenly Being to be born on Earth. If no one coming to claim the throne, it means doom for human kind. Just then, Lok Ta appeared from His trip from Hell.

    Sakka wanted to rush, thinking that enough time has been wasted as one minute in Heaven is translated to one year on Earth. Lok Ta Chun Nat is no longer robed in saffron colored monk’s robe. He is now dressed in white robe, His new religion’s attire. He made His way to the throne with all the sneering and snickerings from the Deities who’d tried and failed. Lok Ta sat on the throne and meditated on it without any hint of burning or pain. Finally, it dawned on Sakka that Dhamma could only be spread by one who completely relinquish all desires, pure of mind, serene as the water, or Dhamma could not be kept at all. Lok Ta had relinquished all worldly ornaments and taken a simple robe of ascetics, it is only He who could spread Dhamma.

    So, Sakka begged Lok Ta to take rebirth immediately for to delay any longer, the prophecy would not be met in time. All those incidences, from the moment Lok Ta Chun Nat “chol ti songkut” and shown hell realm to be tested in heaven realm, all those times, it took Earth seven years to pass. He was born at time of Pol Pot era. He was being tortured, but to no avail for He was being protected by Mother Angel who milked him when He was left to starve to death in a completely shuttered barrel. He was made to lift human skulls, which were quite heavy for a tiny boy to lift. He was told to tell His parents to “damm chur khoh” for silence. He saw how His father was so sick and suffered so much. In His pain and anguish, He could not do anything for His father other than to keep him clean and fed and comfortable. He wanted to feed His father. He asked Mother Angel if He could feed His father the food She had given Him. To which, Mother Angel said that He could not for such foods are only meant for Him and not His father. These are foods stem from merits/magic. His father could not eat such foods. So, He prayed by a pond to catch a fish so that He may feed His father and He did. His father passed away, but left His mother.

    Throughout His childhood, He was visited by Deities, Sakka, who revealed themselves and asked Him to meditate, to remember His previous existence and to remember why He was born. He meditated and remembered. He was told to continue meditating and to constantly head toward the place where He would set up the temple right now. Until He’d reached an age of 26 years, He may revealed Himself. To do before hand would jeapardize the mission. So, at age 26 years old, He revealed Himself of who He is, what His mission is, should anyone follow is up to them.

    Of course, this did not come without rivalries. He built a temple out of woods. Protestors from all directions antagonized Him, accused Him of being a false prophet. They burned down the temple He built. He received more fundings by His loyal supporters who have faith in Him. This time He built them out of concrete or stones. See if any more would burn them down? The protestors came back to beg for forgiveness and He remained standing to this day. To those with eyes and mind, if He is a false prophet, would He remained after all those protests and vandalisms? Even when there is no problems, those that used to support Him turned against Him? What did He do? Nothing. Karma played itself out.

    A french lady who gave Him fundings to build. She requested a vila be built in her honor. A vila was built in her honor. She gave Him more money for other purpose. She went back to France and traveled further abroad to bad mouth that He was a fraud, who could not be trusted. Seven days later, she was hit by a car. Why seven days? We are talking about instantness here. It is said in Buddist texts that when one offers to the Buddha, the reward is instant. Take the story of Queen Mallika for example. She was offered the status of queen when she offered Buddha her food and not His deciples. Here, Lok Ta is the Arahat, Preah Po-ti-sat Toor Ong Preah Se-Ar Metrei. The effects are almost immediate. That is why I am saying that in a short time at all, all will be revealed. One should do is not be like the French lady, but commit merits and wish for goodness not bad mouthing others like the French lady.

    There are more stories, but let it be known that if it is not the Buddha, He would not be standing firm in the face of obstacles. Those that oppose Him, in due time, will be deminished by their own karma. That is why He does not really care whether or not any believes Him. He is not forcing anybody to believe against their will. But, He did admonish that if you don’t believe, just don’t go insulting for He had seen many, many examples already where such insults do not bode well for the doers. We have seen it to be the case even with our current Buddha, where once upon eons when He was a Boddhisattva, at a time when there was no Supreme Buddha, He once insulted a Pacceka Buddha (Silent Buddha) in His greed to become a Buddha Himself. He was punished, inescapable by karma.

    At present, He is leading humans, Khmer and other ethnic groups who believe in Buddhism, to commit merits for the purpose of escaping the Third Field of Death aka WW3 and the Four Traps of Nature—Earth(Earthquake), Fire(Volcano), Air(Tornados, hurricanes), Water(Tsunami, floods, snow). Because in WW3, in addition to man killing man, Nature will kill man as well. We have seen such examples already. One may disclaim this to global warming. Whatever the case, one cannot dispute the facts that people have suffered more natural disasters in areas where such natural disasters have never even known before. Get used to it. If one calls is global warming. So be it.

    Man will kill without apparent reasons. To the unintelligent mind, it appears as thus. But, to those who are aware of such phenomenon, they have better explanations for such explanations will help them avoid negative karma and cultivate good karma. Life is too short. Learn to learn from others’ mistakes. It is said that Asuras, demons who could assume human forms to create chaos, will be released from hell to fulfill their roles in the prophecy. They will assume human minds with little Dhamma, and they will warped their minds to perform deeds that are unexplicable by the living. We have seen such examples already. The famous Canadian Wrestler killed his wife and child and then killed himself without any apparent reason. Cho went on a shooting spree killing 20 people or so before killing himself. The kid, forgot his name, went to the mall to kill a bunch of customers in his path before killing himself. There are more reports. Yet, I don’t want to concentrate on it.

    I want to concentrate on the fact that while all this is going on, it is even more of an incentive to push one to commit acts of goodness for only goodness will one be able to escape such catastrophy. In a time of killing, one may escape bullets from one’s merits. When volcano erupts, floodings in the area, hurricane, tornado, etc., occur and when one happened to be in that area at the wrong time, then one may escape being swept by such catastrophy by one’s merits. Otherwise, there is no luck.

    Anyway, eventually Lok Ta will assume other roles vital for all humanity. When that time comes, bloodshed will be predominant. Think the situations in Iraq, Pakistan and related countries in the Middle East are the worst? We have not seen what is predicted, yet. I am just giving you a glimpse of what is said to happen. Imagine nuclear vapor enveloping the whole face of the earth. How could anyone escape such toxicity? This is instant death if there is such a case. When it got so bad, that is when a Hero must be summoned by China. I’m giving another abbreviation to shorten the story as it is getting late.

    When it was absolute that a Hero is need to neutralize the situations, that is when Preah Batt Thormic showed up. His appearance would not be easy as much bloodshed and mistaken paths to reach where He would meditate. It would not be easy to save mankind for mankind are so stubborn and corrupted in nature. When the status quo is neutralized, few humans will remain. These humans are said to have accumulated tremendous merits to remain alive. Those that were accidently killed may be revived by a mist from heaven.

    It is said that a seven-day sermon will be delivered in the Heart of the Land. This sermon will relate all the events from beginning to end. As far as I am concerned, I love listening to sermons. So, I plan to be there and therefore I strive hard to get there. It is said that the catastrophy will happen mostly likely in 2008, sometimes in 2008. It will take 3 or 4 years for it to end. So, I surmise year 2012 is the time when peace is met. Without knowing HeAtz_On’s cause, I have agreed to some extent that His prediction of year 2012 in one of his post in the R&P forum has some merit.

    Now, I have relate to most informations thus far. They are combinations of faith and reality. One must choose for oneself. I only have some info to pass along as they are my Truths. The time when the war end, it will be an auspicious time for Khmer for Khmer will be under a new name. It will be called Vunkotborei or similar name for it means Peace encompassing or all loving. Khmer will be a force to be reckoned with in the short future. It is because Khmer will be dominated by a capable leader who could put out the world’s fire. Dhamma will radiate from Nokor Vunkotborei for there will be Five Buddhas at the center of the Nokor. They are in the building at this moment should anyone care to know about it. To think, in year 2000, there was just a small temple that was threatened by protestors and vandalizers. Now, there are numerous temples and shrines and several giant Buddhas to boot to meet any protestors and vandalizers. This is not to boast, but it is to show that can evil get away with their karma?

    I could go on and on, but I got to stop my mind from think too much. One thing just leads to another and pretty soon I have to go to work without a wink of sleep. So, if you have any questions or if there is some issues brought up and I find them relatable, I will do so accordingly. My purpose is to share my opinion and opinion only.

    :)

    #361285
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    reksmay
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    Sorry L.B. HeAtz_on.

    Not here to convince anybody what so ever. Just relating my opinion. My purpose is not to engage in argument pertaining to this for I have been there and done that. The result is that I am avoiding such confrontations. I just want to pass along info. If I have all the info, I have no hesitation whatsoever to let all know. So, if you want to know further, I invite you to go confront Him personally. I urge you to do so. Find out for yourself first hand. If He does not tell you, I am sure He has His own reasons. Let me repeat, I am sure He has His own reasons. Like we all know. Time will tell. I will say only that much.

    Peace.

    :)

    As for other questions pertaining to the Five Buddhas, I may come back later time to answer your questions in full. In fact, I have posted info on this in previous postings in R&P Forum. I just didn’t save the link so, I will probably have to listen to the sermon all over again to better tell this story. To date, I have never heard of this “Lok Ta La-Nguong Ayu Veng”. If you don’t mind, tell us about it. I’m not sure about others, but I am so intrigued by stories. Let it be known that I will listen to your story, should you have any to relate, but I will keep my counsel, just like I expect others to keep their counsel.

    :)

    [Message last modified 02-06-2008 10:05am by reksmay]

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    Oh no reksmay, I am not arguing with you..You are indeed of a good person. :) In the future, maybe or maybe not..I don’t think that is part of my distiney too..:)

    But about the Lok Ta La-Nguong, He was another imposter to claim who he was. He was getting alot of ppl rouse up about the end of the world coming. He has vision and dreams of what going to happen. He made alot of money though. They made video tape of his sermons sold and past along from ppl to ppl to hear his sermons. But when Y2K hit nothing happen, the man just disappear and i haven’t seen or heard anything about it again. My neighbor use to be all into this tapes and getting donation from friends and family but later found out it was just another scam.. the reason i ask of the building, I have my next door neighbor is believing in another thing, But i don’t know if it is about regard your lok ta. Because he is part of another group raising money to build the 5 buddha also i don’t know if it a connection to your lok ta or not. What ppl later found out about what really happen to the money the was to build the buddha they stop investing charity fund. That the only reason i ask of the 5 buddha..

    [i]Originally posted by reksmay[/i]
    Sorry L.B. HeAtz_on.

    Not here to convince anybody what so ever. Just relating my opinion. My purpose is not to engage in argument pertaining to this for I have been there and done that. The result is that I am avoiding such confrontations. I just want to pass along info. If I have all the info, I have no hesitation whatsoever to let all know. So, if you want to know further, I invite you to go confront Him personally. I urge you to do so. Find out for yourself first hand. If He does not tell you, I am sure He has His own reasons. Let me repeat, I am sure He has His own reasons. Like we all know. Time will tell. I will say only that much.

    Peace.

    :)

    As for other questions pertaining to the Five Buddhas, I may come back later time to answer your questions in full. In fact, I have posted info on this in previous postings in R&P Forum. I just didn’t save the link so, I will probably have to listen to the sermon all over again to better tell this story. To date, I have never heard of this “Lok Ta La-Nguong Ayu Veng”. If you don’t mind, tell us about it. I’m not sure about others, but I am so intrigued by stories. Let it be known that I will listen to your story, should you have any to relate, but I will keep my counsel, just like I expect others to keep their counsel.

    :)

    [Message last modified 02-06-2008 10:05am by reksmay]

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    very interesting thread… good read and opinions.

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    [i]Originally posted by KmERBoy[/i]
    Still not buying,, reksmey…if u know about Preah Ko Preah Keo…in the story when Preah battled with a mechanical bull…that is phony…how can the Thai build a mechanical bull…not sure if any country now can build such live build from metal,[b]not to metion couple century ago[/b]…anyway…truth will alway previal…just telling u that it was just a unity story for the khmer.

    Do not underestimate the anceint. according to Hindu vedas text, there were lots of machinery, flying machines, even nuclear bomb all the sh!t that western scenice discover like the atom, distance between the sun & earth and all the other stuff, were all already mention in the Vedas way before western/modern science discover.

    what happend to all those anceint machinery? it was wipe out at the end of the old age, i forgot what was the name of that old age. but 2012 is the beginning of a new age, call golden age.

    don’t believe me? just google “Vedas science” up or go read the Vedas, you’ll be suprise.

    You find it hard to believe that anceint thai can build a mechanical bull. well Thai got their knowledge from Khmer and Khmer got their knowledge from the Hindu Vedas.

    [Message last modified 02-06-2008 04:42pm by ------]

    #361329
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    if that were to exist, we would have seen it on the wall of Angkor…

    [i]Originally posted by ——[/i]
    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by KmERBoy[/i]
    Still not buying,, reksmey…if u know about Preah Ko Preah Keo…in the story when Preah battled with a mechanical bull…that is phony…how can the Thai build a mechanical bull…not sure if any country now can build such live build from metal,[b]not to metion couple century ago[/b]…anyway…truth will alway previal…just telling u that it was just a unity story for the khmer.

    Do not underestimate the anceint. according to Hindu vedas text, there were lots of machinery, flying machines, even nuclear bomb all the sh!t that western scenice discover like the atom, distance between the sun & earth and all the other stuff, were all already mention in the Vedas way before western/modern science discover.

    what happend to all those anceint machinery? it was wipe out at the end of the old age, i forgot what was the name of that old age. but 2012 is the beginning of a new age, call golden age.

    don’t believe me? just google “Vedas science” up or go read the Vedas, you’ll be suprise.

    You find it hard to believe that anceint thai can build a mechanical bull. well Thai got their knowledge from Khmer and Khmer got their knowledge from the Hindu Vedas.

    [Message last modified 02-06-2008 04:42pm by ------][/quote]

    #361339
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    The truth is we all haven’t seen all 133 Nokor that is. Some are hidden until the time comes. Maybe there is some evidence there. On a person with a destiny will probably be able to see it..

    [i]Originally posted by KmERBoy[/i]
    if that were to exist, we would have seen it on the wall of Angkor…
    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by ——[/i]
    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by KmERBoy[/i]
    Still not buying,, reksmey…if u know about Preah Ko Preah Keo…in the story when Preah battled with a mechanical bull…that is phony…how can the Thai build a mechanical bull…not sure if any country now can build such live build from metal,[b]not to metion couple century ago[/b]…anyway…truth will alway previal…just telling u that it was just a unity story for the khmer.

    Do not underestimate the anceint. according to Hindu vedas text, there were lots of machinery, flying machines, even nuclear bomb all the sh!t that western scenice discover like the atom, distance between the sun & earth and all the other stuff, were all already mention in the Vedas way before western/modern science discover.

    what happend to all those anceint machinery? it was wipe out at the end of the old age, i forgot what was the name of that old age. but 2012 is the beginning of a new age, call golden age.

    don’t believe me? just google “Vedas science” up or go read the Vedas, you’ll be suprise.

    You find it hard to believe that anceint thai can build a mechanical bull. well Thai got their knowledge from Khmer and Khmer got their knowledge from the Hindu Vedas.

    [Message last modified 02-06-2008 04:42pm by ------][/quote]
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    #361348
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    Oh. After you explaining, it appears similar. I must admit, I kinda got offended a bit thinking that you may be sarcastic. I don’t know about that person whom you mentioned. By the way, why was he called “la nguong”? There are plenty of people who may claim this or that. It is up to people’s discretion to behave accordingly. Whether or not they believe. In my opinion, I wouldn’t demean another person who claim to be this or that by calling him “la nguong” because whether or not one knows the truth, one must respects others as it is bad karma to call names. I try to adhere to this principle.

    Another person showed up around the same time I heard about my Lok Ta. He was known as Lok Kru Savai Reing. He is very good at turning rubies and diamonds out of mere sweats. He also wears White. Yet, they are regular chlotings of shirt and pants. My Lok Ta wears the White Robe of monkhood. But, sometimes, He may wear pants under the Robe. I have the privilege of listening to Lok Kru Svai Reing’s lecture abit. I was a bit impressed, but nothing further. He does not intrigued me simply because of the depth of knowledge he has and the manners with which he delivered them. He appears to not have much elaborations in terms of his goal and achievements. What is his mission and accomplishments? I wanted to find more info, but no more news. It seems he lost many supporters because he did not seem to have a clear goal and accomplishment. For example, in his speech, he said “If the Angkor was once powerful, we must build another Angkor Wat so that we may impress the foreigners.” This may be paraphrased. Time passed and nothing happened. I don’t know what happened to him, but whether he is authentic or not, I would not go further as to demean him simply because he appeared at one time trying to enlighten people. Afterall, it is up to people’s discretion for when tested, they would know who is right and who is wrong through time.

    As for my Lok Ta, He had clear visions and plans and made concrete those visions as time passed. Throughout His whole missions, He made sure He explained clearly as best He could why things were done and for what purpose whether apparent or not apparent, yet. I got most of my info from tuning to Him. Yeah, He made tapes to pass along to those who are interested in the mission. Many accused Him of hoarding money and wasting them on women. This is a bad accusation whereby only the accusers may reap their bad karmic reward for it was not true. Only blind people may believe such accusations for evidenced already, the temples and the Shrines that people helped erected. Engraved on the billboards in front of the building are the lists of donators. With all such evidence and more, how could anyone insist on calling Him a perpetrator? One may only call Him thus if one wants to challenge Him, to which He wouldn’t care. If karma is one’s reward, He would have no part in anyone’s demise. He is doing what He needs to do. Either step aside or be burned on the crossfire by one’s own karma. For believe it or not, His words are Truth since He is an Arahat in my perception.

    Are you saying there is another person going around claiming to build the Five Buddhas? If so, are you saying that He and “my” Lok Ta may be the same person? I don’t know what you are thinking nor privy to all your experiences. But, as far as I know, I have not heard of another person. If I am ignorant at all, when I donated and when I saw my name appeared on the object that I desire to have built, then it is evidence enough for me that Lok Ta appears as He claimed to me.

    As a disclaimer, I am not His right hand man nor am I privy to all of His requests and missions. You may argue with me, but I will tell what I only know or beleive to be true from what I heard directly from His mouth or from my parents. If you ask any other questions and if I don’t know the answer to, I’d urge you to question the source. I am merely a messenger. So, having said that, I wouldn’t know what happened to the money. All I know is that when I or my parents gave money to Lok Ta’s Right Hand Man, and after a time when we see that our donations materialized in the acknowledgements seen in tapes, and recently, my parents went to the actual site to video tape the evidence for us, we know everything is authentic. In fact, we didn’t have to go to this extent, but all people are skeptics, right? Some people just got the sixth sense to know who is real and who is not. No coersion is needed. But, if my parents have not video taped the evidence for us to view, I wouldn’t have a strong argument against you, now would I?

    As for your question pertaining to the Five Buddha Statues. Let me tell you anyway based on rote memory from listening to Lok Ta’s sermon once upon a time. Lok Ta often trek through the woods of Cambodia in His expeditions, unearthing sacred relics and artifacts. Each time, He would explain the significance of such relics before retrieving them. Or sometimes He would lecture based on the right time to tell. So, this particular sermon or sermons was quite long ago. It may not be as clear as when I first heard of it. So, here goes.

    During the time of the first Buddha, Preah Kokosantho, there was a water Water Rat living in the ocean. This Water Rat was Maitreya Buddha to-be. It was lunch time and Preah Kokosantho casted His vision below from heaven to find where He may land to eat His meal. The Ocean was vast in ancient time. There was no land in sight. The Water Rat was observing heaven and found it was a Buddha above. He extended His skin so wide that it appeared as an island for Buddha to land on. So, Buddha descended. He had His meal. Then He blessed the Water Rat.

    He said “Water Rat. You are the Future Buddha. You are blessed for giving me a place so that I may have my meal. You will great mission ahead of you. You will build Five Buddha Statues in this very place because this place will be the convening spot for all Buddhas. You will have Four Buddhas surrounding one Buddha in the middle. That one Buddha in the middle will be my image. Once you have accomplished your mission, peace will radiate the world for during Shakyamuni Gautoma Buddha there will be great chaos that even the Deities and Gods above could not find peace. So, eventually over time, the Ocean finally turned to the Khos Kohk Thlok that is known as Cambodia right now. (There is a legend pertaining to Lok Yai and Lok Ta Penh who found Five Buddhas floating on the Lotus Pad on water. They found the City called Phnom Penh as they were first in the area. This is from the Extreme Khmer YouTube video, will post link if have time).

    Buddha of 5m was of Preah Kokosantho’s image. He is built with “Chat” (umbrella) over His head and situated inside the Wat. To my knowledge, since this temple is so big, it was finished just last year. The 21m Buddha Statue is of Shakyamuni Gautoma Buddha’s image. He is most crucial of all in stemming off evil from Natural forces that would mete Cambodia during the Tsunami. His hand gestures where the left index finger and thumb meet in a circle and palm of Cakka, and the right hand resting over the lap with the index finger pointing down toward the ground, simbolize a calling for all Buddhists from all over the globe to convene here in this ground. The 33m, 56m, and 108m Buddhas will thwart off destructions from nuclear weapons ahead. As for the significance of the numbers, 5,21,33,56, and 108, they are very crucial. I’m not too clear but, I surmise the number 5 pertains to the Five Buddhas of this world. The number 21 pertains to the Merits of our Mother. The number 33 is the merit of our Father. The number 56 perhaps is the combination of our Mother’s and Father’s merits. Yet, I’m not too sure of the extra 2m. As for the number 108. This pertains to the 108 Blessings.

    At present, Lok Ta had finished building Buddha of 33m with respects to all contributors. They know who they are without having to mention any names. Not that I’d know all of them. But, I am saying on behalf of the merits that those who saw benefits in building for they all wish to convene there when all chaos have passed to listen to the sermons as promised for seven days and nights. These sermons are listened by all Deities and Brahmas, not just humans. Maitreya Buddha is the Father of all Buddhas. His Dhamma are able to save even Brahmans. Knowing thus, it is really a shame that I see so many humans so closed minded toward Knowledge. If Brahma are opened to Knowledge so that they may be liberated, humans must be more humble than Brahmans millions of times for there is no comparison.

    The question is asked of Lok Ta. Will He stop when He reached Five Buddhas? The answer is a solid No! His wish is Effort. He will not stop at only Five until He finds Enlightenment. He will continue building until. Those who help Him benefits themselves. If the building is not complete in time when chaos is loose, then He will take that much and work with it for the other purpose of broadcasting to build is so that He may gain followers so that they may be motivated to build in order to build merits for themselves so that they may be saved in time of catastrophy ahead. That is why Khmer are prophesized that they would only remain in “malup Po”. Very few indeed since not too many people are keen on donating to build for the greater cause. Just mere observations of life. If one thinks that when they die and take all their possessions with them, they may hoard so. For those who see right and understand right, they choose to allocate a portion of their money according to their comfort level to help a cause for they believe in the cause. No one knows one’s future in life nor after death. The only thing that is sure for Buddhists are their karma. Karma are the only thing that may save them.

    There are many more, but it is all a matter of tuning to sermons for sermons light one’s path in life. That is, if they are Buddhists. That is all for now for that is all I have. If I have more, it is my wish to share. It is only my wish for I believe it is good Knowledge to share in the hopes that people may be enlightened as I have been enlightened.

    :)

    [i]Originally posted by HeAtz_oN[/i]
    Oh no reksmay, I am not arguing with you..You are indeed of a good person. :) In the future, maybe or maybe not..I don’t think that is part of my distiney too..:)

    But about the Lok Ta La-Nguong, He was another imposter to claim who he was. He was getting alot of ppl rouse up about the end of the world coming. He has vision and dreams of what going to happen. He made alot of money though. They made video tape of his sermons sold and past along from ppl to ppl to hear his sermons. But when Y2K hit nothing happen, the man just disappear and i haven’t seen or heard anything about it again. My neighbor use to be all into this tapes and getting donation from friends and family but later found out it was just another scam.. the reason i ask of the building, I have my next door neighbor is believing in another thing, But i don’t know if it is about regard your lok ta. Because he is part of another group raising money to build the 5 buddha also i don’t know if it a connection to your lok ta or not. What ppl later found out about what really happen to the money the was to build the buddha they stop investing charity fund. That the only reason i ask of the 5 buddha..
    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by reksmay[/i]
    Sorry L.B. HeAtz_on.

    Not here to convince anybody what so ever. Just relating my opinion. My purpose is not to engage in argument pertaining to this for I have been there and done that. The result is that I am avoiding such confrontations. I just want to pass along info. If I have all the info, I have no hesitation whatsoever to let all know. So, if you want to know further, I invite you to go confront Him personally. I urge you to do so. Find out for yourself first hand. If He does not tell you, I am sure He has His own reasons. Let me repeat, I am sure He has His own reasons. Like we all know. Time will tell. I will say only that much.

    Peace.

    :)

    As for other questions pertaining to the Five Buddhas, I may come back later time to answer your questions in full. In fact, I have posted info on this in previous postings in R&P Forum. I just didn’t save the link so, I will probably have to listen to the sermon all over again to better tell this story. To date, I have never heard of this “Lok Ta La-Nguong Ayu Veng”. If you don’t mind, tell us about it. I’m not sure about others, but I am so intrigued by stories. Let it be known that I will listen to your story, should you have any to relate, but I will keep my counsel, just like I expect others to keep their counsel.

    :)

    [Message last modified 02-06-2008 10:05am by reksmay]

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    #361358
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    It seems like every Khmer hero have mythical and fairy tales stories about them. No wonder we lose so much lands—-believing in NONSENSE!

    #361370
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    [i]Originally posted by brach[/i]
    It seems like every Khmer hero have mythical and fairy tales stories about them. No wonder we lose so much lands—-believing in NONSENSE!

    christian believe in mythical and fairy tales stories (bible) too but they gian a lots of land so what your point?

    #361378
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    Your sarcasm cuts deep. But, it is understandable. So many legends are deep rooted in Khmer culture. Yet, the chief reason why Khmer lost most lands and still losing is because Khmer lack intelligence to decipher what is what. With today’s modern age, how are we still ignorant? Is it because of today’s advancement that we look down on yesterday’s achievements? Have we forgotten our origins to think these legends are complete nonsense?

    There are many reasons why Khmer are in decline. Yet, to completely dismiss these legends as mere nonsense may be our biggest mistakes for we need to learn and to understand why things happened so that we may take actions to correct them. Everybody has family members connected to the KR in someways or others. The memories are so painful nothing could appease that. We feel anger and resentment. We feel hatred and want restitutions. But, we must remember why it happened. If we blame entirely on our belief of these legends, are we sure we are entirely correct? Is it possible that when we say we are practicing right views, do we actually practice it? Instead of looking at the grand things sometimes, sometimes we have to focus on individual self. Are we sure we are not our own hipocrite? Can anyone absolutely escape hipocracy? I am asking all these questions to point out that there is no absoluteness in this world, yet, and that we must be humble and persevere to arrive at the right understanding and perceptions. That means, whether or not these legends are nonsense, time will tell.

    If there is any grain of truth in all these legends, we will find out in this short time. I am advocating the legends, bringing forth the stories that once was to life again because I believe Khmer’s morality is greatly in decline where we don’t respect one another. We often bicker and bicker with each other while the foreigners are laughing their heads off with our stupidity. If these stories have any morality to them, that is it. Loving kindness with each other and especially unity among our kind.

    #361388
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    Just watch till the end..who loses and gain..You sound like a jack-asiis with no respect..

    [i]Originally posted by brach[/i]
    It seems like every Khmer hero have mythical and fairy tales stories about them. No wonder we lose so much lands—-believing in NONSENSE!

    #361396
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    [i]Originally posted by brach[/i]
    It seems like every Khmer hero have mythical and fairy tales stories about them. No wonder we lose so much lands—-believing in NONSENSE!

    [Message last modified 02-08-2008 06:22pm by KmERBoy]

    [Message last modified 02-08-2008 06:23pm by KmERBoy]

    #361406
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    I didn’t mean it in a disrespecting way at all—what I said earlier.

    What I’m looking for is the Khmer hero whom I, every youth, and average human being can relate to ;an average person that can do incredible things by their own sweat and blood, and their iron-will.

    Believing in fairy-tales plant false hope in people.

    #361416
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    It’s base on your karma and merit brother….You just stand a point finger and expect it to happen..You have to do it..

    False hope on plants?

    From what i know plant has cure most of the human illness….

    but peace to you brother..I don’t know how young you are..I am young myself, but learning is a process..If you refuse to learn…then you dont know what was the reason for it to happen….

    [i]Originally posted by brach[/i]
    I didn’t mean it in a disrespecting way at all—what I said earlier.

    What I’m looking for is the Khmer hero whom I, every youth, and average human being can relate to ;an average person that can do incredible things by their own sweat and blood, and their iron-will.

    Believing in fairy-tales plant false hope in people.

    #361426
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    reksmay,

    Very long interesting threads and I hope reality come w/in 3-5 years from now. What do you guys think? I want to share a few of my experiences regard myths, legends, fairy tales or what ever people call it. After I visited srok khmer 5 times, I begin to think that those heroes that you guys mentioned are real, NOT legends….. Have you guys seen granites/materials that our ancestors used to built Angkor? I got some samples last year from my Mjas-yearv, and in 2006; me, my families met with Lok Ta that reskmay mentioned and got some blessing from him :)

    #361436
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    L.B. SinNishM!

    Thanks for sharing your story! Wow! Tell me, did you get a chance to listen to His sermon or had He relate any to you among the audience in attendance? I don’t know about other people, but to me, Lok Ta is my God. To have a chance to listen to His sermon directly is more blessings than I can imagine. Seeing and listening to His tapes are equivalent to being there as well, but still I just wish I may see Him personally. Did you say 2006? Perhaps you may have been in the taping while He gave a sermon after performing blessings rituals. In that sermon I remember Him mentioning about preserving culture and traditions. For example, children, if they love their parents must protect their parents’ assets. By extension, if they love their country, they must protect and uphold their ethnic identity and culture. They are very common sense, yet many failed to realize the significance. Myth or not, we need leaders like Lok Ta.

    There are many promises. But, we must hold our end of the bargain. We must persevere to do good so that we may realize those promises within 3-5 years. For us to realize those promises, it won’t come without a heavy price. Wow! For you to have visited Srok Khmer 5x are greater than I hope for myself. It is surprising that for me to live in this modern age and for me to not having a chance to set foot in Khmer soil seems quite pathetic. But, everybody has his/her own karma/lucks. Since it is a promise that within 3-5 years things will be well, I wish to forego my great desire for now and cultivate patience and good merits so that I may realize these wishes to set foot on Khmer soil for the first time and to listen to Lok Ta’s sermons for 7 days/nights personally. Such are my wish and I hope they maybe realized.

    Once again, thank you so much! :)

    [i]Originally posted by SinNishM[/i]
    reksmay,

    Very long interesting threads and I hope reality come w/in 3-5 years from now. What do you guys think? I want to share a few of my experiences regard myths, legends, fairy tales or what ever people call it. After I visited srok khmer 5 times, I begin to think that those heroes that you guys mentioned are real, NOT legends….. Have you guys seen granites/materials that our ancestors used to built Angkor? I got some samples last year from my Mjas-yearv, and in 2006; me, my families met with Lok Ta that reskmay mentioned and got some blessing from him :)

    #361446
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    No problem. I understand where you are coming from. In fact I, myself, am aware of such condescensions, especially living in this day and age of technology. Having been privy to “legends and myths”, while I am aware that they could be called “legends and myths” by the common mass, I do not take them as such for myself. For me, they are as real as could be. They happened in the past and are recorded through words of mouth, which seem as legends and myths through time with later generations losing values and respects for ancestors, traditions, and origins. Especially with the emergence of Lok Ta, who is real today, I see for myself that these “legends/myths/tales” are validated for I hold Lok Ta supreme and I revere Him as my Savior. He is a Boddhisatva who vowed Truths.

    I have been a willing participant to some extent based on my good lucks thus far of Lok Ta’s grand mission ever since I have heard of His existence in 2004. In all those times, I have seen/followed closely through my meager collection of His expeditions, which are rare to come by, His tremendous efforts and dedications in bringing forth Knowledges; His perseverance to retrieve what He must retrieve for peace by making difficult treks through perilous cracks and crevices along steep mountain edges, and deep and dark caves with little concerns of His safety whenever He was informed to do so by the Devas and Higher Beings. Wheher rain or shine, hot or cold, He strives to deliver sermons, to deliver lights in the hope that they may pierce the darkness that is our ignorance. To see Him made concrete His mission and Buddhist followers’ wishes in the buildings and shrines attests so much to His integrity.

    Given the traumatic tragedy that Khmer had gone through in the wake of the KR regime, Lok Ta is the only one I see hope in thus far. No one could compare, especially in Cambodia. He is no fairy tale. He is as real and concrete as He is in His promise and buildings. Another thing, with today’s technology, many people are trained to banish power derived from sheer efforts. This power is called power from parami of mertis. Such power does not come in this lifetime alone. It is a culmination of all the previous lives of dedications to goodness. So, if people have not seen this power of parami, in this short time, they will witness thus, especially by the Hero of Khmer. It will be a 360-degrees turnaround in thinking where they cannot refuse, but to accept what is Truth.

    All we could do at the moment is to watch and to plan our course of actions accordingly, that is if we believe. Otherwise, they will remain as myths and legends to those who do not believe. Simple as that.

    [i]Originally posted by brach[/i]
    I didn’t mean it in a disrespecting way at all—what I said earlier.

    What I’m looking for is the Khmer hero whom I, every youth, and average human being can relate to ;an average person that can do incredible things by their own sweat and blood, and their iron-will.

    Believing in fairy-tales plant false hope in people.

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    Dont you think that is stealing, taking a piece of the materials for your sake..:/

    [i]Originally posted by SinNishM[/i]
    reksmay,

    Very long interesting threads and I hope reality come w/in 3-5 years from now. What do you guys think? I want to share a few of my experiences regard myths, legends, fairy tales or what ever people call it. After I visited srok khmer 5 times, I begin to think that those heroes that you guys mentioned are real, NOT legends….. Have you guys seen granites/materials that our ancestors used to built Angkor? I got some samples last year from my Mjas-yearv, and in 2006; me, my families met with Lok Ta that reskmay mentioned and got some blessing from him :)

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