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  • #1639441
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    Do the Chinese lack morals? Here’s an article talking about past incidents of people not helping out the injured.

    From personal experience I find them selfish and money hungry; even Chinese-Khmer too!!

    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-china-samaritan-20111105,0,6057024.story

    By Barbara Demick, Los Angeles Times

    November 4, 2011, 7:12 p.m.
    Reporting from Beijing—
    How do you turn Bad Samaritans good?

    The question has become a national obsession since the shocking death of a 2-year-old named Yueyue who was ignored by 18 passersby as she lay bleeding on the street after a hit-and-run last month in southern China.

    Nearly every day brings a new outrage — an 88-year-old man suffocating in his own blood after falling and breaking a nose, people rushing to photograph a suicide attempt without bothering to help — and another hand-wringing editorial about how to cultivate the kindness of strangers.

    The latest example came Wednesday, when a 5-year-old boy playing on a sidewalk was struck by a wooden beam that had fallen from a construction site in the city of Linyi in the eastern province of Shandong. His mother begged motorists and bystanders to help bring him to a hospital, but all refused — including the chengguan, low-level municipal police, who drove by and ignored her, according to local media.

    An ambulance eventually arrived, but the boy, named Longlong, died on his way to the hospital.

    “With Little Yueyue just departed,” one outraged commentator wrote Thursday on the Sina Weibo microblog, referring to the 2-year-old girl, “what happened to Little Longlong again raises questions about people’s morals and conscience.”

    In almost every province, laws are being revised to indemnify Good Samaritans against being sued if their efforts fail — one of the main reasons Chinese say they are reluctant to get involved.

    Groups with names such as China Kindness and Filial Piety Special Committee and the Office of National Spiritual Civilization have launched special projects to encourage better behavior.

    “Trust is one of the hottest topics at the moment,” said Wu Yilin, a pollster at Beijing’s Renmin University of China. Her department has been surveying people about the degree to which they would help a total stranger. In a poll shortly before the hit-and-run, 64.8% of Chinese said they would help an elderly stranger who had fallen, with those refusing saying they feared getting into trouble.

    “We in China are very close to our parents and our families, but there is no trust in strangers,” Wu said.

    The lack of charitable spirit in China is supported by a poll released in April by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development. Based on polling data from Gallup, it shows China second from the bottom in a list of 40 countries ranked for “pro-social behavior”: giving to charity, volunteering time and helping strangers.

    Only Greece had a lower ranking. The United States tied with Ireland at the top of the list.

    In China, pundits cast about to point the blame. Has the frenetic pursuit of wealth in the go-go economy eroded the values that the Communist Party once instilled about individual sacrifice for the greater good? Or does the blame lie with the Communist Party’s repression of religion and the legacy of brutality of the Cultural Revolution?

    On Friday, the Shanghai Daily ridiculed the Chinese government’s various initiatives to make people more charitable.

    “Official canonizing of moral models, sometimes ridden with money-for-honor frauds, is the last thing we need,” bemoaned the English-language daily. “At a time when the nation is obsessed with sloganeering about honesty … dishonesty is still a plague.”

    New details have emerged in recent days about another incident Oct. 13, the same day as the little girl’s accident. This one happened in Hangzhou, a lakeside resort near Shanghai, where an expatriate pulled a suicidal Chinese woman out of the lake.

    The rescuer, Maria Fernanda Gomez Arregui, a Uruguayan who lives in Shanghai, complained that Chinese bystanders were busy taking photographs, not stepping forward to help even as she struggled to drag the woman up an embankment from the lake.

    “Somebody was filming with an iPad. Nobody was helping me. I can’t understand that,” Gomez Arregui said in a telephone interview.

    In an effort to encourage other good Samaritans, a civic group in Hangzhou announced Wednesday that it would give Gomez Arregui an award amounting to $472 for her heroism.

    “Now they are calling me a hero,” Gomez Arregui said. “It was, to me, completely normal.”

    In recent weeks, photos have surfaced about another foreigner who helped a middle-aged woman who had been stabbed by her mentally ill son in Shanghai’s Pudong airport in April. A video shows a man who appears to be in his 20s with a backpack squatting over the woman and trying to staunch the bleeding while others in the crowded international arrivals hall walk by or stare. The woman survived and afterward put out a call to thank the unidentified foreigner, but he was never identified.

    The issue of callousness has become a viral topic of discussion in China since the hit-and-run last month in Guangdong province. A closed-circuit videotape shows in stomach-churning detail the girl being struck by two delivery vans, as well as the 18 people who either walk or drive by without helping.

    On the flip side, state media have gone out of their way to publicize morality tales showing the heroism and generosity of ordinary Chinese.

    One video that captured the public’s attention shows people banding together in a Shanghai park Oct. 23 to help a pregnant woman who fainted. The video shows the group carrying her and flagging down a motorist who volunteers to drive her to the hospital.

    “Ever since Little Yueyue left this world, people started to question the consciences. Some even said Chinese no longer have morality,” a caption reads on the video. “Here, people with their actions showed that Chinese still have a heart…. Let’s be proud of Shanghai and of the Shanghai people.”

    The problem is, it didn’t really happen that way.

    Last week, the head of a Shanghai film production company held a news conference and acknowledged that three of his employees had staged the fall-and-rescue in what he described as a “beautiful lie.”

    “What they did was inappropriate, but their intentions were good,” said Zhang Jun of Erma China. “They thought if people saw this on television it would set an example about how they should behave in a warmhearted way when something happens.”

    #1639442
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    KCers had been discussing about this for almost a month,

    See videos.

    human? 2yo Chinese girl run over twice like trash by 2 vans

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    [Message last modified 11-06-2011 03:10am by Kadin]

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    #1639443
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    [i]Originally posted by banana[/i]

    From personal experience I find them selfish and money hungry; even Chinese-Khmer too!!

    ^ though the proverbial s hasnt hit the f yet globally, every major nation & region is plagued with both overpopulation and economic collapse. what will these eventually ring in? yes, global collapse of society and humanity. as we’ve we’ve seen with recent events, its happening already right before our eyes..

    china leads the way in overpopulation despite various failed control measures, ditto for india, africa, and ghetto baby mommas united of amerika.

    greedy, horny ass mutha #$@!ers don’t really give an altruistic damn about humanity nor environment. only care about themselves and their ‘own’.

    so imo, cognitive dissonance in public spaces is surely not limited to the chen nor sino-khmer (i’d argue its even more prevalent and extreme in americans cuz u dont just have disinterest but strong pattern of brutal angry, ape-like violent mob formation!), but a symptom of underlying global dilemma: gross overpopulation vs the occasional ambiguous one-in-ten-billion human ‘ant’ nobody bothers to notice being stepped on.

    as for the traditionally intuitive, entrepreneurial, highly adaptive, resilient sino-khmer, i’d say the fruit of ambition is the catch-22: in other words, the chinese diaspora strive to be so productive.. however, family value & pride is placed in 1) prolific growth of the family (population) and 2) extremely efficient exploitation of natural resources in order to feed such artificially prolific family populations.

    so from the bigger picture/perspective, these proud, ambitious humans are literally turning natural, unreplenishable earth resources like water and forest into just more and more crowded human meat which eventually demeans the quality of living, for quantity (of humans) as a measure of their familial success & pride.

    http://www.donboscokhmer.org/newsletter/articles?start=4

    Of the numerous refugees of Khmer nationality, many are Chinese or half-Chinese (“Sino-Khmer”); a race of resourceful migrants, with few deep roots in Khmer soil, engaged for the most part in national and international trade, they succeeded in reaching the frontiers on 17 April 1975. But even though they usually speak the Cambodian language, the Sino-Khmer have a different mentality from pure-bred Khmer, and this should be taken into account when considering the remarks that follow. The Sino-Khmer will adapt far more easily to their new living conditions than their Khmer compatriots. Often, moreover, they come from the well-to-do classes of Cambodia and are accordingly equipped with an intellectual capital, which will make it easier for them to become integrated into our society.

    hmmmph.. i digress now, read more about it here:

    http://www.ecobuddhism.org/bcp/all_content/3rd_pole/china_cd

    #1639444
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    I knew about this incident when it happen.

    The reason I created this thread was because the “article” was yesterday, Nov.4, 2001.

    In other words, I created this thread for the “article”, not for the incident foolish monkey!!!

    [i]Originally posted by Kadin[/i]
    KCers had been discussing about this for almost a month,

    See videos.

    [url=http://khmer.cc/community/t.c?b=12&t=57431&o=0]human? 2yo Chinese girl run over twice like trash by 2 vans[/url]

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    [Message last modified 11-06-2011 03:10am by Kadin]

    #1639445
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    Interesting links! How you find these resources is amazing.

    Originally posted by Tevbot

    http://www.donboscokhmer.org/newsletter/articles?start=4

    http://www.ecobuddhism.org/bcp/all_content/3rd_pole/china_cd/quote

    #1639446
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    I just thought you might want to see the video.
    If you don’t want to watch it or watched it already, that’s fine :)
    But if you’re only interested in earlier news articles, they are also available in the link.

    there’s also an article of the similar incident involving a different child, a 5-year old.

    News that happens across the ocean tends to get to the US media days later.

    [i]Originally posted by banana[/i]
    I knew about this incident when it happen.

    The reason I created this thread was because the “article” was yesterday, Nov.4, 2001.

    In other words, I created this thread for the “article”, not for the incident foolish monkey!!!

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Kadin[/i]
    KCers had been discussing about this for almost a month,

    See videos.

    [url=http://khmer.cc/community/t.c?b=12&t=57431&o=0]human? 2yo Chinese girl run over twice like trash by 2 vans[/url]

    .

    [Message last modified 11-06-2011 03:10am by Kadin]

    [/quote]

    [Message last modified 11-06-2011 04:11pm by Kadin]

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    #1639447
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    Who said China isn’t charitable? They invest $7 billions into Cambodian economy.

    #1639448
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    I don’t know… I met some really good Chinese people. They have the tendency to ‘pay’ you back for the things you’ve done for them. I say it isn’t a Chinese thing. Some humans are just greedy & selfish. Race, religion, culture, society, etc that they live in don’t really matter.

    I remember something similar happening in the US, in which they did a study in New York city where some person (pretended to look) was looking like they were dying in the middle of the street of a busy intersection. A lot of ‘good’ Americans just walked by and did nothing.

    edit add:

    oh, and a lot of people, majority of people don’t care what happens to other people or what’s going around out there unless it their family or themselves, basically until it hits home, they’ll start caring.

    [Message last modified 11-06-2011 08:05pm by agent0o5]

    #1639449
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    #1639450
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEddty18hC8

    Can you blame them for the lack of assistance? They live in a third world country that is controlled with fear and lives with ‘survival of the fittest’ mentality. If you think it is the Chinese way, take a look at the link I posted. I’m sure you can find similar incident in ANY country. Is it any different when it is our race?

    Like in any country with any race, you have all sorts of people. Lacking morale can be found in any level and in any class from Wall Street to the slums of Mexico.
    I’m not defending anyone here but trying to shed some light. Some comments here bother me and frankly, I see the poster no better than the people that chose to walk away. Talk is cheap. If you were in the same position – what would you do?

    #1639451
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    Srok Khmer is the same, when there’s an accident…people clamour to circle the victim and take pictures rather then help

    #1639452
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    finally in full agreement HAHA

    [i]Originally posted by BigP[/i]
    Srok Khmer is the same, when there’s an accident…people clamour to circle the victim and take pictures rather then help

    #1639453
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    Same can be said here to in the US.

    [i]Originally posted by SnowGlobe[/i]
    finally in full agreement HAHA
    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by BigP[/i]
    Srok Khmer is the same, when there’s an accident…people clamour to circle the victim and take pictures rather then help

    [/quote]

    #1639454
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    China’s population growth is yet to be stable. They could give a sh!t if some of their people die.

    #1639455
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    People greed. Very very sad.

    #1639456
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    true, they can also just clone another from some cloned stem cells.

    [i]Originally posted by linnnie[/i]
    China’s population growth is yet to be stable. They could give a sh!t if some of their people die.

    #1639457
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    I am not surprised. This is more likely to happen in a country like China than here in the U.S Even in Cambodia, I can’t imagine a two yr being run over twice! btw where is the mother or father of this child? This isn’t the slum or anything, somebody neglected to care for this child.

    My beef with China is there lack of conservation efforts. Chinese superstitious beliefs have endangered vulnerable species in the wild and their habitats. They are a big part of a billion dollar black market trade of bear gall bladder and swifter’s nest among other delicacies. I understand why impoverished countries like Vietnam or Cambodia participate in the black trade but China is on the forefront of becoming a super power, a developed country (without a democracy)

    It is also in my experience that the older generation of Chinese tend to have a money mentality. They don’t care about quality service but quantity. They don’t care if they cheat, lie or steal as long as profits are high. That’s why they do so well in business – probably why their economy is booming.

    #1639458
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    [i]Originally posted by brach[/i]
    Who said China isn’t charitable? They invest $7 billions into Cambodian economy.

    Yeah, they invest it for themselves. Do some research on “economic hitman”.

    #1639459
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    Which Chinese?

    the baby.
    the baby’s parents.
    the old lady who helped the baby.
    or the doctors and nurses who tried to help the baby?

    [i]Originally posted by banana[/i]
    Do Chinese lack moral?

    បានចូលសាលា មានសញ្ញាប្រ័ត មិន ប្រាកដថាមានសមត្ថភាពក្នុងកិច្ចការ នោះទេ
    #1639460
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    I was being sacastic?

    [i]Originally posted by banana[/i]

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by brach[/i]
    Who said China isn’t charitable? They invest $7 billions into Cambodian economy.

    Yeah, they invest it for themselves. Do some research on “economic hitman”.[/quote]

    #1639461
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    I have chinese blood and still proud of it. I think it depends on your nature. In one sense collectively I do not prefer chinese mainlanders. Each and to our own…some people can be just as vicious as cold and selfish as you can imagine…but just a little more presentable than the straight forward ones, sometimes education doesn’t make any difference, it’s the trait that is rooted.

    Edit: Forgot to add that means US is no better than China morally…

    [Message last modified 11-11-2011 11:51am by SpicyChick]

    #1639462
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    Are you serious?

    I’m talking about you!!!

    [i]Originally posted by Kadin[/i]
    Which Chinese?

    the baby.
    the baby’s parents.
    the old lady who helped the baby.
    or the doctors and nurses who tried to help the baby?

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by banana[/i]
    Do Chinese lack moral?

    [/quote]

    #1639463
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    Yes, I’m serious.
    They are Chinese.

    [i]Originally posted by banana[/i]
    Are you serious?

    I’m talking about you!!!
    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Kadin[/i]
    Which Chinese?

    the baby.
    the baby’s parents.
    the old lady who helped the baby.
    or the doctors and nurses who tried to help the baby?

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by banana[/i]
    Do Chinese lack moral?

    [/quote]
    [/quote]

    [Message last modified 11-11-2011 02:21pm by Kadin]

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    #1639464
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    Ok, from all the news coverage it’s seems this “moral” is the debate. There has been many incident like this one.

    So, Chinese in general; compare to other races.

    [i]Originally posted by Kadin[/i]
    Yes, I’m serious.
    They are Chinese.

    [Message last modified 11-11-2011 02:21pm by Kadin]

    #1639465
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    the baby.
    the baby’s parents.
    the old lady who helped the baby.
    or the doctors and nurses who tried to help the baby?

    ^they have morals.
    The Chinese people in the videos that didn’t bother to help the kid didn’t have any.

    generally…? generally, all the Chinese people I know personally do have moral.

    .

    PS: the videos do have little influence my view on the chinese society though.If I were to get hurt in the US, I know someone would help me. But in China, i have my doubts.

    [i]Originally posted by banana[/i]
    Ok, from all the news coverage it’s seems this “moral” is the debate. There has been many incident like this one.

    So, Chinese in general; compare to other races.

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Kadin[/i]
    Yes, I’m serious.
    They are Chinese.

    [Message last modified 11-11-2011 02:21pm by Kadin]

    [/quote]

    [Message last modified 11-12-2011 02:38pm by Kadin]

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    #1639466
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    Kadin,

    You make me laugh!!! Do you actually think someone here; even in “America” would help you out?

    Have you ever heard of the “bystander effect”?

    And yes, I believe this incident in China was somewhat of the “bystander effect”.

    Ok here’s a good video of the “bystander effect”.

    [i]Originally posted by Kadin[/i]

    PS: the videos do have little influence my view on the chinese society though.[b]If I were to get hurt in the US, I know someone would help me.[/b] But in China, i have my doubts.

    [Message last modified 11-12-2011 02:38pm by Kadin]

    [Message last modified 11-12-2011 10:19pm by banana]

    #1639467
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    ^ cognitive dissonance explain both cause & effect (2nd truck running over child as well bystander indifference)

    bystander effect explain only, well, effect.. bystander effect =/

    [Message last modified 11-13-2011 12:19am by Tevbot]

    #1639468
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    then I guess you can answer your own question and the “moral debate” base on what you see in videos.

    .
    I base mine on my life experience living in America.
    Personally, If I saw someone got shot or hit by a car, I would be one of the bystanders also.I would help by calling 911.
    I wouldn’t mess with the injured person.

    Why not? there’s a chance I could cause more damage and pple sue each other too much in America.

    [i]Originally posted by banana[/i]
    Kadin,

    You make me laugh!!! Do you actually think someone here; even in “America” would help you out?

    Have you ever heard of the [b]“bystander effect”?[/b]

    And yes, I believe this incident in China was somewhat of the [b]“bystander effect”.[/b]

    Ok here’s a good video of the [b]“bystander effect”.[/b]

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Kadin[/i]

    PS: the videos do have little influence my view on the chinese society though.[b]If I were to get hurt in the US, I know someone would help me.[/b] But in China, i have my doubts.

    [/quote]

    [Message last modified 11-13-2011 01:26am by Kadin]

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    #1639469
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    [i]Originally posted by Tevbot[/i]
    ^ cognitive dissonance explain both cause & effect (2nd truck running over child as well bystander indifference)

    bystander effect explain only, well, effect.. bystander effect =/

    [Message last modified 11-13-2011 12:19am by Tevbot]

    That incident was also a bystander effect.

    #1639470
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    No, that incident in China was lack of moral.

    The video was to let you know in America if something happens to you there is a high chance of a “bystander effect’ to happen.

    Well it’s good to know you would do something if you witnessed a tragic event.

    [i]Originally posted by Kadin[/i]
    then I guess you can answer your own question and the “moral debate” base on what you see in videos.

    .
    I base mine on my life experience living in America.
    Personally, If I saw someone got shot or hit by a car, I would be one of the [b]bystanders[/b] also.I would help by calling 911.
    I wouldn’t mess with the injured person.

    Why not? there’s a chance I could cause more damage and pple sue each other too much in America.

    [Message last modified 11-13-2011 01:26am by Kadin]

    #1639471
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    I’ve put my kung fu training on hold after watching this.

    #1639472
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    bokator > kong fu

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