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    it sounds all good and dandy but it’s unrealistic and naive. this is one of the major problems with eastern thinking including buddhism. for example our khmer culture values the worship of the parents, even to god like status. there’s a khmer story about the search for the buddha, upon finding the buddha, the buddha stated what you were looking for was right in front of you, your parents. as a result, good cambodians are suppose to worship their parents like gods and they do cater to the parents, and they do past down all of the traditions of the parents. if you break this rule, you are a bad son or daughter. it is a value system based on collectivism and not the individuals freedom. it is based on what you can do for the parents when it should be the other way around. responsible mature parenting does thing for the children without expecting anything back. a responsible GOD loves and blesses his children free of charge, this is a thing called Grace.

    we need to rethink, maybe our parents may have been wrong but didn’t realize it because they blindly followed what was set before them. in the real world many parents are not as righteous or as dreamy as what the inexperience monk is preaching. yet people sit there and listen in a trance like state as if they’re given some sort of profound knowledge. when it is just misguided teachings. the blind leading the blind.

    i am not saying dont respect your parents. good parents should be respected. i am just saying be realistic and use discernment. if your parents are *!#@^#*s, they should be held responsible as bad people and not lifted on a pedestal because its prim and proper, politically correct. sometimes, you need to go into hell to save your parents and not the other way around. this is what makes a good son or daughter. the ability to see wrong and step away from it even if it means breaking with all he knows, his tradition and culture. the ability to see the truth in a world of lies.

    God is the Truth, always Righteous, truly worthy of worshipped. anything less is just made up.

    Sorry I tried to reply to the other thread but it created a new one..

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    [Message last modified 07-11-2011 01:02pm by Kadin]

    #346090
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    [i]Originally posted by bowang[/i]
    it sounds all good and dandy but it’s unrealistic and naive. this is one of the major problems with eastern thinking including buddhism. for example our khmer culture values the worship of the parents, even to god like status. there’s a khmer story about the search for the buddha, upon finding the buddha, the buddha stated what you were looking for was right in front of you, your parents. as a result, good cambodians are suppose to worship their parents like gods and they do cater to the parents, and they do past down all of the traditions of the parents. if you break this rule, you are a bad son or daughter. it is a value system based on collectivism and not the individuals freedom. it is based on what you can do for the parents when it should be the other way around. responsible mature parenting does thing for the children without expecting anything back. a responsible GOD loves and blesses his children free of charge, this is a thing called Grace.

    we need to rethink, maybe our parents may have been wrong but didn’t realize it because they blindly followed what was set before them. in the real world many parents are not as righteous or as dreamy as what the inexperience monk is preaching. yet people sit there and listen in a trance like state as if they’re given some sort of profound knowledge. when it is just misguided teachings. the blind leading the blind.

    i am not saying dont respect your parents. good parents should be respected. i am just saying be realistic and use discernment. if your parents are *!#@^#*s, they should be held responsible as bad people and not lifted on a pedestal because its prim and proper, politically correct. sometimes, you need to go into hell to save your parents and not the other way around. this is what makes a good son or daughter. the ability to see wrong and step away from it even if it means breaking with all he knows, his tradition and culture. the ability to see the truth in a world of lies.

    God is the Truth, always Righteous, truly worthy of worshipped. anything less is just made up.

    SORRY I TRIED TO REPLY TO THE OTHER THREAD BUT IT CREATED A NEW ONE..

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    [Message last modified 04-30-2011 05:11pm by bowang]

    bible said honor our mother and father, it is a commandment not a recommendation or an advice but a commandment… are u saying for those who worship their parents as gods is the problem?

    [Message last modified 05-01-2011 01:36am by rasy]

    #346100
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    if your parents were wrong and their parents were wrong in rejecting the truth for many generations, and the child comes to know the truth, it is not the work of the parents but of God and his grace only. therefore, by the will of God, he may reject his earthly parents, for his Eternal family. yes honor your parents, but do not worship them in idolatry or take part in a culture which does so. our earthly parents only acted as the vessel for the physical life, but it is God who breaths life into being in the Spirit.

    #346107
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    If your elder ancestory dont exist, you wont have a a-hole parent or good parent.
    Without your parent you dont exist, you don’t exist there is no “GOD”.

    You are contradicting yourself in the term of respecting elders as a commandment from the bible and a teaching from the budda..

    [i]Originally posted by bowang[/i]
    if your parents were wrong and their parents were wrong in rejecting the truth for many generations, and the child comes to know the truth, it is not the work of the parents but of God and his grace only. therefore, by the will of God, he may reject his earthly parents, for his Eternal family. yes honor your parents, but do not worship them in idolatry or take part in a culture which does so. our earthly parents only acted as the vessel for the physical life, but it is God who breaths life into being in the Spirit.

    #346116
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    I would like to see more facts to prove that the eastern thinking and Buddhism have problem.

    Frankly I disagree with you by saying the gratitude to parents is naïve and the Eastern thinking with Buddhist influential is bad. I see it just the opposite. However I do see some bad parents who deserve not to be respected in both eastern and western societies; fortunately the number of those parents is very insignificant. And we cannot use them to portray the whole society as bad.

    Parents always love and care their children in any societies including any religion and any culture (western or eastern). But the degree of love is different from one to another. And the way to express love is different. The love is the instinct of living beings. Just look at other animals living around us; they do also love their offspring. You can see they try to protect their offspring as hard as they could whenever their offspring are in danger. Only snake-fishes (trey chdor) eat their offspring; that could be their gene for parental love is muted in their DNA.

    Yes I am a parent of two and I know how much love towards my children is. It is actually more than my life. And I look at other parents in my American and Khmer societies. They are not much different than me; they love their kids. Yes I do see some bad parents such as a woman who drown her three children for her love to a rich man and a father who raped his own daughter. Fortunately the number of those bad parents is very insignificant.

    Buddha is right regarding to pay gratitude to parents; He sees all things most parents have sacrificed just to make sure their children are safe and happy. I ask myself the other day – Who care and love me most? – First I thought me, but then I realized my parents love me most, not me, not my children, and not my wife. I sometimes abuse myself by working hard, but my parents never did that to me and always make sure I was safe and happy. Thus Buddha is right to pay gratitude to parents. BTW Buddha also taught us to use common sense and rationale to do thing.

    Regarding to Eastern and Western cultures – I notice parents in Eastern culture want to see their children getting really strong before let them independent, while the Western culture want their children independent as soon as they could. Thus the family bonding in eastern culture is much closer than the western counter part. The question – who love their children most, and what culture the children benefit most?

    Originally posted by bowang
    it sounds all good and dandy but it’s unrealistic and naive. this is one of the major problems with eastern thinking including buddhism. for example our khmer culture values the worship of the parents, even to god like status. there’s a khmer story about the search for the buddha, upon finding the buddha, the buddha stated what you were looking for was right in front of you, your parents. as a result, good cambodians are suppose to worship their parents like gods and they do cater to the parents, and they do past down all of the traditions of the parents. if you break this rule, you are a bad son or daughter. it is a value system based on collectivism and not the individuals freedom. it is based on what you can do for the parents when it should be the other way around. responsible mature parenting does thing for the children without expecting anything back. a responsible GOD loves and blesses his children free of charge, this is a thing called Grace.

    we need to rethink, maybe our parents may have been wrong but didn’t realize it because they blindly followed what was set before them. in the real world many parents are not as righteous or as dreamy as what the inexperience monk is preaching. yet people sit there and listen in a trance like state as if they’re given some sort of profound knowledge. when it is just misguided teachings. the blind leading the blind.

    i am not saying dont respect your parents. good parents should be respected. i am just saying be realistic and use discernment. if your parents are *!#@^#*s, they should be held responsible as bad people and not lifted on a pedestal because its prim and proper, politically correct. sometimes, you need to go into hell to save your parents and not the other way around. this is what makes a good son or daughter. the ability to see wrong and step away from it even if it means breaking with all he knows, his tradition and culture. the ability to see the truth in a world of lies.

    God is the Truth, always Righteous, truly worthy of worshipped. anything less is just made up.

    SORRY I TRIED TO REPLY TO THE OTHER THREAD BUT IT CREATED A NEW ONE..

    [Message last modified 05-01-2011 07:08am by sorchek]

    #346126
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    by your petty logic, who were the first parents? the first cause? lets say adam and eve or maybe even ah krem and bopha. well who do you think created them? breath life into them. i believe it was God but does it even matter anymore since existence in the overall scheme of thing is happening all at once? there is a God, the fact that people are able to come up with such a concept and even doubt him proves his Being.

    buddhism is wrong in the sense that it rejects Christ, the one and only Truth. our parents believed in this religion because their parents taught it to them. most believe blindly aware of only a few concepts such as reincarnation and karma. nothing more nothing less. i should have been a buddhist myself but by the grace of God i am not. it is not my work. i honor my parents but i see they are wrong in faith. i love them still even more as a christian than an atheist or a buddhist, my former self.

    [i]Originally posted by PhnomKlarSar[/i]
    If your elder ancestory dont exist, you wont have a a-hole parent or good parent.
    Without your parent you dont exist, you don’t exist there is no “GOD”.

    You are contradicting yourself in the term of respecting elders as a commandment from the bible and a teaching from the budda..
    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by bowang[/i]
    if your parents were wrong and their parents were wrong in rejecting the truth for many generations, and the child comes to know the truth, it is not the work of the parents but of God and his grace only. therefore, by the will of God, he may reject his earthly parents, for his Eternal family. yes honor your parents, but do not worship them in idolatry or take part in a culture which does so. our earthly parents only acted as the vessel for the physical life, but it is God who breaths life into being in the Spirit.

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    #346136
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    bowang
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    sorchek..

    the biggest problem in this world since the dawn of time, since the fall is collectivism. as soon as adam and eve had children. collectivism reared its ugly head. it is the natural progression of our society. prior to Christ, the world only knew of the collective. the judeo christian value system brought over the individual right into the system. and so the enemy attacked with marxism and communism and today progressivism in order to bring about the new world order which is just the old rehashed into its many incarnations sold as new. you ever thought why and how a country full of peaceful buddhists managed to kill 2 millions? it is because buddhism doesnt and is unwilling stand up to what’s evil in this world. it becomes the enabler in complacency because maybe it too has similar root when dug deep enough. it supports the status quo and buddhism lacks the conviction by its followers asked by its founder. look at how many buddhists drink smoke and gamble, hurt, loves money, sell their child into slavery, all because life is an illusion and therefore the pain is not real or is deferred to the next life. it is a religion unwilling to take responsibility now. that is what is wrong with it. now i am not just pointing the finger at buddhism, islam is another religion, lost in translation and misguided but lets save that for next time.

    the truth is no parent is perfect. we are imperfect beings. so it is not insignificant. it is significant because it is all of us. we are inherently bad people, evil in nature. i am a father and i have flaws. but we must own up to our sinful ways. not talking about it is not going to solve the problem. we must realize that when we do wrong we must repent and say sorry not just to God but our children as well when committed. lets not be too prideful and lie to our children and have them think we are more than fallen creatures or we are better than them when we are on the same boat and they may even see the shore sooner than us. buddhism doesnt address these matter. it simply brushes it under the rug. and as a result our children are killed by the enemy.

    parents do not always love and care for their children. you have father abandoning their kids too often in america. it is a nice thought to have because it sounds good. some parents do not know how to love. and the reason why is because their parents probably didnt teach them how to love. it is not proper to show love in some culture a stoic attitud. i see this often in cambodian parents. and there are those psychopaths born with hate who may have children. so love is not just in words but also in actions. it is absolute. one way is better than another. we are not animals, we are better than that. a father love for his daughter resulting in her “honor killing” is absolutely wrong. moral relativism is wrong. in order to defeat the enemy we must see it for what it is first and take action now.

    i disagree with you. as parents we are not making any real sacrifices for our kids. to think so is self serving and wrong. we had sex and we brought them into the world. so they do not owe us anything, we as parents are the one who owes them for coming into our lives to fill it so it wouldnt be so mundane. it is our responsibility to take care of them because we made that choice. so we must try to make them happy because it makes us happy. now that i am married, my parents are secondary. the happiness of my wife and kids comes first because my happiness is in them. God knows this and allows it.

    #346145
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    Logic? Buddy is common sense..lol

    Prove with ur DnA u are Adam and ever great great great grandson… if u claim that, are you an incest….?

    I can prove my blood line down to the last drop…therefore I and many other agreed they have a bloodline. Not nonsense to believe you were created from dust..no scientist have proven that, not even disciple during Jesus time…

    [i]Originally posted by bowang[/i]
    by your petty logic, who were the first parents? the first cause? lets say adam and eve or maybe even ah krem and bopha. well who do you think created them? breath life into them. i believe it was God but does it even matter anymore since existence in the overall scheme of thing is happening all at once? there is a God, the fact that people are able to come up with such a concept and even doubt him proves his Being.

    buddhism is wrong in the sense that it rejects Christ, the one and only Truth. our parents belieived in this religion because their parents taught it to them. most believe blindly aware of only a few concepts such as reincarnation and karma. nothing more nothing less. i should have been a buddhist myself but by the grace of God i am not. it is not my work. i honor my parents but i see they are wrong in faith. i love them still even more as a christian than an atheist or a buddhist, my former self.

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    [i]Originally posted by PhnomKlarSar[/i]
    If your elder ancestory dont exist, you wont have a a-hole parent or good parent.
    Without your parent you dont exist, you don’t exist there is no “GOD”.

    You are contradicting yourself in the term of respecting elders as a commandment from the bible and a teaching from the budda..
    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by bowang[/i]
    if your parents were wrong and their parents were wrong in rejecting the truth for many generations, and the child comes to know the truth, it is not the work of the parents but of God and his grace only. therefore, by the will of God, he may reject his earthly parents, for his Eternal family. yes honor your parents, but do not worship them in idolatry or take part in a culture which does so. our earthly parents only acted as the vessel for the physical life, but it is God who breaths life into being in the Spirit.

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    #346155
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    bowang
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    i dont remember what i ate yesterday, so knowing my bloodline to the last drop is the least of my worries. i do know whatever blood it is, its been washed over by the blood of Christ.

    [i]Originally posted by PhnomKlarSar[/i]
    Logic? Buddy is common sense..lol

    Prove with ur DnA u are Adam and ever great great great grandson… if u claim that, are you an incest….?

    I can prove my blood line down to the last drop…therefore I and many other agreed they have a bloodline. Not nonsense to believe you were created from dust..no scientist have proven that, not even disciple during Jesus time…
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    [i]Originally posted by bowang[/i]
    by your petty logic, who were the first parents? the first cause? lets say adam and eve or maybe even ah krem and bopha. well who do you think created them? breath life into them. i believe it was God but does it even matter anymore since existence in the overall scheme of thing is happening all at once? there is a God, the fact that people are able to come up with such a concept and even doubt him proves his Being.

    buddhism is wrong in the sense that it rejects Christ, the one and only Truth. our parents belieived in this religion because their parents taught it to them. most believe blindly aware of only a few concepts such as reincarnation and karma. nothing more nothing less. i should have been a buddhist myself but by the grace of God i am not. it is not my work. i honor my parents but i see they are wrong in faith. i love them still even more as a christian than an atheist or a buddhist, my former self.

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    [i]Originally posted by PhnomKlarSar[/i]
    If your elder ancestory dont exist, you wont have a a-hole parent or good parent.
    Without your parent you dont exist, you don’t exist there is no “GOD”.

    You are contradicting yourself in the term of respecting elders as a commandment from the bible and a teaching from the budda..
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    [i]Originally posted by bowang[/i]
    if your parents were wrong and their parents were wrong in rejecting the truth for many generations, and the child comes to know the truth, it is not the work of the parents but of God and his grace only. therefore, by the will of God, he may reject his earthly parents, for his Eternal family. yes honor your parents, but do not worship them in idolatry or take part in a culture which does so. our earthly parents only acted as the vessel for the physical life, but it is God who breaths life into being in the Spirit.

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    #346165
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    Off course you don’t. You.can’t even remember if your mom gave birth to you or eve did…lmao…

    [i]Originally posted by bowang[/i]
    i dont remember what i ate yesterday, so knowing my bloodline to the last drop is the least of my worries. i do know whatever blood it is, its been washed over by the blood of Christ.

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by PhnomKlarSar[/i]
    Logic? Buddy is common sense..lol

    Prove with ur DnA u are Adam and ever great great great grandson… if u claim that, are you an incest….?

    I can prove my blood line down to the last drop…therefore I and many other agreed they have a bloodline. Not nonsense to believe you were created from dust..no scientist have proven that, not even disciple during Jesus time…
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    [i]Originally posted by bowang[/i]
    by your petty logic, who were the first parents? the first cause? lets say adam and eve or maybe even ah krem and bopha. well who do you think created them? breath life into them. i believe it was God but does it even matter anymore since existence in the overall scheme of thing is happening all at once? there is a God, the fact that people are able to come up with such a concept and even doubt him proves his Being.

    buddhism is wrong in the sense that it rejects Christ, the one and only Truth. our parents belieived in this religion because their parents taught it to them. most believe blindly aware of only a few concepts such as reincarnation and karma. nothing more nothing less. i should have been a buddhist myself but by the grace of God i am not. it is not my work. i honor my parents but i see they are wrong in faith. i love them still even more as a christian than an atheist or a buddhist, my former self.

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    [i]Originally posted by PhnomKlarSar[/i]
    If your elder ancestory dont exist, you wont have a a-hole parent or good parent.
    Without your parent you dont exist, you don’t exist there is no “GOD”.

    You are contradicting yourself in the term of respecting elders as a commandment from the bible and a teaching from the budda..
    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by bowang[/i]
    if your parents were wrong and their parents were wrong in rejecting the truth for many generations, and the child comes to know the truth, it is not the work of the parents but of God and his grace only. therefore, by the will of God, he may reject his earthly parents, for his Eternal family. yes honor your parents, but do not worship them in idolatry or take part in a culture which does so. our earthly parents only acted as the vessel for the physical life, but it is God who breaths life into being in the Spirit.

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    #346174
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    [i]Originally posted by bowang[/i]
    God is the Truth, always Righteous, truly worthy of worshipped. anything less is just made up.

    Dear friend, if you know the rules of Christian one of the ten rules is to honor his parents. You will not find any health society, group or family where the one who was first is not respected.
    Khmer cultur, short time ago, hasn’t that sickness that the modern world is infected in. You can look for your self, as long as you dont accept your parents as they are and honor them as they should be honored, you will never be at peace.

    Today there are many Buddhist in the west, how think they can make there journey without the devotion of the parents, but they will not get out of than bondage as long as they do not realize that the honor of the parents is most important for one self.

    To honor his parents, does not mean to make everything one by one, but to listen and to respect the opinions. To be devoted to ones parents, does not mean to be there slaves, but to trust them and figure the reality out in the same time. It is also a kind of devotion to tell parents, softly and polite, if they do wrong. That is also a task, but never forget who came first and never forget, that your parents are the best parents for you, even they seems to be worse.

    There is no problem to listen honest to your father or your mother, rethink what they had told and if you can not agree you can say honestly: “Father, I deeply respect your advice and I am aware that you are my father. Therefore I am grateful and know that your advice is just intended by your deep love. Even it might be the right way: Don’t be mad at me, but now I am not able to follow it or not able to understand. I have to go an other way. Please respect my opinion.”

    There would be no struggle and you could honor you parents like you did always before. Devotion is devotion, it has nothing to do with blind following as this would also harm your parents at least.

    But mostly it is different. “There is a believe: I know it better! What do my parents know. This is an other time. They know nothing. I had leaned this an this. I am free and I want independence.” If you would know the function of a family you would know that such a attitude is the end of the family.

    Rethink your opinion and look what is the root of your thoughts. Do not orientate on the modern world, it is an illusion and it will not last. If you don’t have learned how to honor your parents you will have real problems in the future and also in your own new family as this disrespect can follow for generations. A clan, a family and every group is a very sensible connection if you disturb out of egoism you can make the whole group suffering and in any way you hurt your self.

    You have three opinions:
    * You follow the advice of your ancestors, the Buddha or a god – it is the safest way.
    * You can test out carefully what the advices of the ancestors, the Buddha or a God are good for and take them as realized by your self. – that is a better, but also more dangerous way, it need good guides or wise friends to help you to walk not the wrong way if you are not aware.
    * Or you can follow your delusion and just what comes to you mind and what you like – that will lead you 100% to more suffering later or in the next life.

    To change from the 3rd, to the first or to the second is wise. To change from the 1st to the 2nd is maybe also wise. To change from the 1st or the 2nd to the third is very foolish. And if you are following the third and do not change now, nobody can help you.

    Take care of you! In that way you take care of the whole world.

    #346183
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    bowang
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    you sound like the monk from journey to the west. there is a great spiritual war taking place and you’re talking in script not out of experience. if you lived you would know i am telling the truth. you are oblivious to reality caught up in false teachings. its all an illusion to you. while your siblings are slaughtered right in front of you, you’re hiding in meditation. deep down you cannot save yourself nor them. only God can save by his Grace. and your actions dictates how you are going to be rewarded, setting forth your position in his kingdom.

    yes, i am in Christ as i was also a buddhist when i was younger and so i know both worlds, especially the good the bad and the ugly. since you’re not a christian, you only heard of some of the teachings of Christ. you do not truly know what it means. i never said to not honor or disrespect the parents. i am simply saying if your parents are wrong especially in faith, you shouldnt follow their orders to simply honor them or make them happy just because they’re older, birth you. what if making them happy is not in you being happy but for you to follow senseless traditions, or for a woman to marry the man she hates in order to gain wealth or position for the collective as seen fit by the parents.

    a good example to be found is in islam which is not insignificant because how many people are muslims? and no allah is not the same God as the one i know. how do you sit there and say this as recommended by you “Father, I deeply respect your advice (for me to oppress women the same way you abuse my mother) and I am aware that you are my father (by physical means). Therefore I am grateful and know that your advice is just intended by your deep love (rather it’s traditions, because love bears fruit). Even it might be the right way: Don’t be mad at me, but now I am not able to follow it or not able to understand. I have to go an other way. Please respect my opinion.”

    i wish it’s as easy as how you put it but that’s not how the world works. people in the middle east are killed for having a different opinion, going against the teachings of their parents, in a world that doesnt promote individualism is dangerous. so you see buddhism is not too far from islam in the cultural context. budhism thinks it similar to islam but doesnt have the conviction to act upon it.

    so its not about following for the sake of following because when you do, there is no true wisdom. its just regurgitating, rehashing the old. because you were told to do so. you should instead do what is right even if it means breaking all the rules. this takes great courage. one that only God can understand because you are alone in it especially in a system where the collective is all that you know. and i say you will be rewarded.

    my parents are buddhists. they are your typical buddhists probably not much different than your parents. i love them dearly more today than ever and it is because i see the spiritual bondage they are stuck in. even if they are not saved in this life time, maybe their minds will change when they see me fighting for Christ and my conviction whiched they lacked. but in the mean time, it doesnt mean i infringe on their rights, or try to convert them. like how i dare not try to convert you. but i do care because the time is fast approaching.

    the modern world is not as sick as you think hanzze. it has brought us out of the dark ages. but it is not perfect because we are in an imperfect world. it has brought over many good things. one of which i think is the judeo christian value system and all of its many fruits, like the exceptionalism of the american constitution. it’s the good news the ancient world was lacking. cambodia should embrace it more, instead of brusing everything under the old dirty rug. cambodia too will have to face judgement. the truth of Christ and all of its fruits is the antidote to our problems, the worlds problems.

    i refuse to follow the ways of our ancestors, they were wrong. in the spiritual sense, they are plunderers and murderers. i will end the cycle. i now walk a narrower path and if suffering comes, it is to make me stronger for God loves his children like how i love mine and I will never abandon my own like a how a true sheapard doesnt abandon his favorite lamb.

    [i]Originally posted by hanzze[/i]
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    [i]Originally posted by bowang[/i]
    God is the Truth, always Righteous, truly worthy of worshipped. anything less is just made up.

    Dear friend, if you know the rules of Christian one of the ten rules is to honor his parents. You will not find any health society, group or family where the one who was first is not respected.
    Khmer cultur, short time ago, hasn’t that sickness that the modern world is infected in. You can look for your self, as long as you dont accept your parents as they are and honor them as they should be honored, you will never be at peace.

    Today there are many Buddhist in the west, how think they can make there journey without the devotion of the parents, but they will not get out of than bondage as long as they do not realize that the honor of the parents is most important for one self.

    To honor his parents, does not mean to make everything one by one, but to listen and to respect the opinions. To be devoted to ones parents, does not mean to be there slaves, but to trust them and figure the reality out in the same time. It is also a kind of devotion to tell parents, softly and polite, if they do wrong. That is also a task, but never forget who came first and never forget, that your parents are the best parents for you, even they seems to be worse.

    There is no problem to listen honest to your father or your mother, rethink what they had told and if you can not agree you can say honestly: “Father, I deeply respect your advice and I am aware that you are my father. Therefore I am grateful and know that your advice is just intended by your deep love. Even it might be the right way: Don’t be mad at me, but now I am not able to follow it or not able to understand. I have to go an other way. Please respect my opinion.”

    There would be no struggle and you could honor you parents like you did always before. Devotion is devotion, it has nothing to do with blind following as this would also harm your parents at least.

    But mostly it is different. “There is a believe: I know it better! What do my parents know. This is an other time. They know nothing. I had leaned this an this. I am free and I want independence.” If you would know the function of a family you would know that such a attitude is the end of the family.

    Rethink your opinion and look what is the root of your thoughts. Do not orientate on the modern world, it is an illusion and it will not last. If you don’t have learned how to honor your parents you will have real problems in the future and also in your own new family as this disrespect can follow for generations. A clan, a family and every group is a very sensible connection if you disturb out of egoism you can make the whole group suffering and in any way you hurt your self.

    You have three opinions:
    * You follow the advice of your ancestors, the Buddha or a god – it is the safest way.
    * You can test out carefully what the advices of the ancestors, the Buddha or a God are good for and take them as realized by your self. – that is a better, but also more dangerous way, it need good guides or wise friends to help you to walk not the wrong way if you are not aware.
    * Or you can follow your delusion and just what comes to you mind and what you like – that will lead you 100% to more suffering later or in the next life.

    To change from the 3rd, to the first or to the second is wise. To change from the 1st to the 2nd is maybe also wise. To change from the 1st or the 2nd to the third is very foolish. And if you are following the third and do not change now, nobody can help you.

    Take care of you! In that way you take care of the whole world.[/quote]

    #346191
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    Friend,
    I am not here to tell you to change your religion, but “ego” is not religion. If you respect your religon that it is good to follow them. And one of the most importand rules is to respect mother and father. As this religion is different to Buddhism in that way, that it contains strict rules you would brake them and according to your believe it is a hell sin.

    Just follow it, but dont mix it up with your desires and wrong views, as also this is against your religion as you need to believe in God word as it is the first rule.

    Just to remember you, what you do is up to you.

    Believe me I know both world better than you. The problem comes up, when culture is lost and also the understanding of an other world fails. Neither you understand Christian nor you know your ancestors culture and also the wise way of the Dharma is to much away.
    You build up your own castle and you suffer inside of it.

    Let go of that nonsense and look out for reality.

    [Message last modified 05-01-2011 04:34pm by hanzze]

    #346200
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    The more you look into your religion you will see that in fact it doesn’t have a different message than this of your culture. “Modern” world and its strange behaviors have nothing to do with the wise teachings of Jesus, Mohamet, Krishna or Buddha. It is just an illusion a shadow of anger and greed.

    Some quotes from your Saviour – religion:

    God’s Will For Us Is To Have Respect For Parents And Respect For Children

    Bible Summary. God holds the parent-child relationship as special. God tells us in the ten commandments to obey and have respect for our parents. The Bible tells parents that they should respect their children and not provoke them. The parent-child relationship is one of truth and honor. The same relationship that God desires of us as God’s children is the same relationship that we should have with our children. Parents should be the source of wisdom and every good thing for their children. See below for Biblical advice and commentary on respecting parents and respecting children. Key Bible verses: Ephesians 6:1, Ephesians 6:2, Colossians 3:21, and Psalms 84:11.

    The Buddha taught no roles but he gave some advices, you will see that they are very similar except the desire of conquering (Buddha didn’t taught a religion):

    The duties of a child to his (her) parents

    1. To nourish them when they are not longer able to provide for their own needs because of their age.
    2. To take care of their administrative procedures.
    3. To continue the good practices of the family like honesty, generosity etc.
    4. To be worthy to receive their material and spiritual heritage.
    5. To perform ceremonies after their death.

    The duties of a parent to his (her) children

    1. To accustom them from very small to a good moral conduct.
    2. To teach them good social manners (respect for others).
    3. To transmit them knowledge and a harmless profession.
    4. To marry them to a partner of good moral conduct who is suitable for them.
    5. To bequeath them their inheritance when the time comes.

    #346210
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    bowang
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    i think you didnt read anything i wrote… or maybe you did but didnt understand what i was saying.. _()_

    [Message last modified 05-01-2011 05:35pm by bowang]

    #346221
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    As the modern trend goes in the other direction as knowledge and understanding of cause and effects increases, maybe this is a good possibility for your family.

    http://www.buddhist-christian.org/

    One need to understand, that khmer people usually (especial before they reach an age of 50 or 60) do not really have a understanding of Buddhism, but they traditional followed there family.
    Many people came into the western world in the war time. The lack of knowledge and the lack of infrastructure of information (as Buddhist teaching was still in a growing situation in america and europe in this time), the live problem and also the traumatics of the war leads parents to think on other things as to teach there children right and in an amount as western children need to be feed.
    On the other hand there was a christian society and also the attitude of conquering in this religion. A lot of support which leads to the subtle deal (help for believe). On the other hand, Khmer people (buddhist people) do not convince others to follow and respect every believe.

    That is why there are so many Khmer today, which can not understand there culture and also the Dharma.

    The main ethic principles are similar and also the aim is similar. Give it a try, many Christians have already seen the benefit of meditation (look for your self). Maybe it can be a way to bring your culture, your family and the new world together on a good level where one nourish the other and no more need to claim.

    I know your problem and the problem is that you believe that your parents and also your ancestors did something wrong. As long as you dont make peace with your ancestors you will not find peace, you will just lead a deluded fight against your self.

    #346228
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    khemrin
    Participant

    Bowang,

    First of all, you should have just replied to hanzze’s thread who specifically said of what you are referring to here in your thread. It just to show the person you are. Congratulation.

    Secondly, you are contradicting the bible teaching about respecting your father and mother. It is, perhaps, you misunderstood with communism who copied their absolute idea from Christianity, when they replaced parent with Angka luer(the supreme organization= almighty God).

    Step back my friend, you have gone too far.

    [i]Originally posted by bowang[/i]
    i think you didnt read anything i wrote… or maybe you did but didnt understand what i was saying.. _()_

    [Message last modified 05-01-2011 05:35pm by bowang]

    #346239
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    sorchek
    Participant

    Bowang,

    Based on your comments so far in this topic, I would say you want to say that your Christianity is far better than Buddhism.

    I think you may change your mind if you do more self-research on both religions. You will see Buddhism can co-exist with sciences and the rest will fade away through time.

    [Message last modified 05-02-2011 07:21am by sorchek]

    #346249
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    bowang
    Participant

    i believe churchianity, islam, and buddhism are all great examples of legalism. legalism is bad. Christ is GOOD. i believe in Christ.

    #346258
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    Anonymous

    Dear friend,

    There is not one word of legalism in the Buddha Dhamma, it is all about just. You might be wrong introduced to the Buddha Dhamma as many are also wrong introduced to the teachings of Allah or Jesus.
    If one is told a teaching of peace and harmony while one is carrying a weapon (dislike, hate and anger) he will nothing else do with it as to use it just as a weapon.

    One needs to lay down the weapons first before he is able to understand teaching in the way they should be understood.

    There are a lot of people running around with weapons of fight and defend and call this weapon the right and holly way. That is not about the teachings, that is about wrong understanding and the lack of will to look for the real problem inside one self.

    As soon as we open or heart we are able to find peace.

    #346269
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    bowang
    Participant

    in order to confront evil. you need a sword to fight (truth and knowledge) it and a shield to protect you from it (the holy spirit). if you lay down in passivity, it will destroy you. appeasement doesnt work…

    [i]Originally posted by hanzze[/i]
    Dear friend,

    There is not one word of legalism in the Buddha Dhamma, it is all about just. You might be wrong introduced to the Buddha Dhamma as many are also wrong introduced to the teachings of Allah or Jesus.
    If one is told a teaching of peace and harmony while one is carrying a weapon (dislike, hate and anger) he will nothing else do with it as to use it just as a weapon.

    One needs to lay down the weapons first before he is able to understand teaching in the way they should be understood.

    There are a lot of people running around with weapons of fight and defend and call this weapon the right and holly way. That is not about the teachings, that is about wrong understanding and the lack of will to look for the real problem inside one self.

    As soon as we open or heart we are able to find peace.

    #346280
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    Anonymous

    That is right friend, but most misinterpret those deep meanings of every teaching.

    The only enemy is you your self and to respect and honor his parents leads you to the first step that your start to fight your enemy. He is called ego (egoism) my, you, me, others, athma…

    If you understand it wrong it is nothing else as an other dshihad.

    A dshihad against you parents, other opinions, other people, other religion…

    What someone is not taught from childhood is not easy to learn, but there is always a time and a place to understand simply rules, even they are not common in the “modern world”

    You weapon is wisdom, the bullets are compassion and your shield is mindfulness. Beware of modern weapons, they seems to be equal, but they aren’t. The original weapons are not harmful and wholesome, but the fake weapons are harmful and unwholesome.
    The fake weapon is ignorance or delusion (ideology), the bullets are hatred (dislike, aversion) and the shield is greed (desire in every kind, desire for an eternal “I”).

    Prove if your weapons are real or just fake. If your mind is at peace and nothing can shake you in your calmness, it is an intention that you use the original weapons to fight your enemy.

    If you are worried, fearful, hateful, restless full of thought, you can be sure that you use the modern fake weapons. Give them up. First they harm you yourself and they also harm other in a way that is not wholesome at all.

    [Message last modified 05-07-2011 04:27pm by hanzze]

    #346289
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    khemrin
    Participant

    What is jesus christ about then? Was he legal, philosopher or magician who believed he was possessed by spirit?

    How did you find jesus? I hope not in the jungle of Cambodia, like guy claim.

    [i]Originally posted by bowang[/i]
    i believe churchianity, islam, and buddhism are all great examples of legalism. legalism is bad. Christ is GOOD. i believe in Christ.

    #346298
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    khemrin
    Participant

    And you found this in the bibles? Is this where you find the truth to fight evil?

    [i]Originally posted by bowang[/i]
    in order to confront evil. you need a sword to fight (truth and knowledge) it and a shield to protect you from it (the holy spirit). if you lay down in passivity, it will destroy you. appeasement doesnt work…

    #346306
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    KomLostBong
    Participant

    Hey Khemrin bro,

    You spelled the word “sword” incorrect!!!! Look it and spell it again. Ok!!! Hahahhahaah

    [i]Originally posted by khemrin[/i]

    And you found this in the bibles? Is this where you find the truth to fight evil?

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by bowang[/i]
    in order to confront evil. you need a sword to fight (truth and knowledge) it and a shield to protect you from it (the holy spirit). if you lay down in passivity, it will destroy you. appeasement doesnt work…

    [/quote]

    #346316
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    KomLostBong
    Participant

    I’d say no-one can estimate how much knowledge of God is….if some-one keeps thinking about that, that person will become a NUT. Cuz he is a greatest person in the world.

    Does God have Daddy or Mommy…..?????????????

    #346326
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    Anonymous

    Why can’t you love all the Gods (parents and religious ones) the same?

    [i]Originally posted by bowang[/i]
    it sounds all good and dandy but it’s unrealistic and naive. this is one of the major problems with eastern thinking including buddhism. for example our khmer culture values the worship of the parents, even to god like status. there’s a khmer story about the search for the buddha, upon finding the buddha, the buddha stated what you were looking for was right in front of you, your parents. as a result, good cambodians are suppose to worship their parents like gods and they do cater to the parents, and they do past down all of the traditions of the parents. if you break this rule, you are a bad son or daughter. it is a value system based on collectivism and not the individuals freedom. it is based on what you can do for the parents when it should be the other way around. responsible mature parenting does thing for the children without expecting anything back. a responsible GOD loves and blesses his children free of charge, this is a thing called Grace.

    we need to rethink, maybe our parents may have been wrong but didn’t realize it because they blindly followed what was set before them. in the real world many parents are not as righteous or as dreamy as what the inexperience monk is preaching. yet people sit there and listen in a trance like state as if they’re given some sort of profound knowledge. when it is just misguided teachings. the blind leading the blind.

    i am not saying dont respect your parents. good parents should be respected. i am just saying be realistic and use discernment. if your parents are *!#@^#*s, they should be held responsible as bad people and not lifted on a pedestal because its prim and proper, politically correct. sometimes, you need to go into hell to save your parents and not the other way around. this is what makes a good son or daughter. the ability to see wrong and step away from it even if it means breaking with all he knows, his tradition and culture. the ability to see the truth in a world of lies.

    God is the Truth, always Righteous, truly worthy of worshipped. anything less is just made up.

    SORRY I TRIED TO REPLY TO THE OTHER THREAD BUT IT CREATED A NEW ONE..

    [

    [Message last modified 04-30-2011 05:11pm by bowang]

    #346336
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    bowang
    Participant

    “Matthew 10:34-37, “Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household. He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.”

    Let’s look at it beyond the literal sense. God is not saying fight your family. The physical family is temporal and God is eternal. God is the bigger picture. The father and mother talked about represents the earthy traditions and culture which may be anti God or anti Christ in nature. He is saying, if your traditions are not of God, one should go against it in order to break away from the bondages of the physical world. If you are born into a family of robbers for example, a culture of corruption, one shouldn’t maintain such a lifestyle just for the sake of it. One should fight it for what is right. The ability to see beyond all that’s been taught for generations therefore is not from the earthly parents or traditions but from God himself and this is far greater than anything else on earth.

    #346346
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    KomLostBong
    Participant

    bowang!!! your brain captured alot of Bible isues. No matter of people tried to advise you or explain some difference ways. I dont think you accep it…The only God does. Right???

    #346356
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    Anonymous

    You can love your parents like Gods, but that doesn’t mean you have to follow their will. That’s why the Gods gave you free-will.

    [i]Originally posted by bowang[/i]
    “Matthew 10:34-37, “Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household. He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.”

    Let’s look at it beyond the literal sense. God is not saying fight your family. The physical family is temporal and God is eternal. God is the bigger picture. The father and mother talked about represents the earthy traditions and culture which may be anti God or anti Christ in nature. He is saying, if your traditions are not of God, one should go against it in order to break away from the bondages of the physical world. If you are born into a family of robbers for example, a culture of corruption, one shouldn’t maintain such a lifestyle just for the sake of it. One should fight it for what is right. The ability to see beyond all that’s been taught for generations therefore is not from the earthly parents or traditions but from God himself and this is far greater than anything else on earth.

    #346367
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    bowang
    Participant

    ones ability to break away from the will of the parents or mans traditions and culture is God given, free will, yes but to do so means you are now in God’s will and instead will inherit something far greater. think of it this way, what if there is only newtonian physics. all that was taught or ever known. to love it means you must abide by it. the ability to move beyond requires a paradigm shift. quantum mechanics for example comes from outside of the box. a certain genius. this genius or spark comes not from man but a higher dimension. God’s will is Light, your physical family members are like photons, the point is to ride the wave.

    [i]Originally posted by agent0o5[/i]
    You can love your parents like Gods, but that doesn’t mean you have to follow their will. That’s why the Gods gave you free-will.

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by bowang[/i]
    “Matthew 10:34-37, “Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household. He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.”

    Let’s look at it beyond the literal sense. God is not saying fight your family. The physical family is temporal and God is eternal. God is the bigger picture. The father and mother talked about represents the earthy traditions and culture which may be anti God or anti Christ in nature. He is saying, if your traditions are not of God, one should go against it in order to break away from the bondages of the physical world. If you are born into a family of robbers for example, a culture of corruption, one shouldn’t maintain such a lifestyle just for the sake of it. One should fight it for what is right. The ability to see beyond all that’s been taught for generations therefore is not from the earthly parents or traditions but from God himself and this is far greater than anything else on earth.

    [/quote]

    #346377
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    khemrin
    Participant

    Bowang,

    Either you misunderstand the context of mathew or you simply don’t understand how this religion work. Please referr to the following teaching found in King James. Now please don’t tell that King James version is not as good as the one you are given to read.

    “Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right.”Honor your father and mother,” which is the first commandment with promise:
    “that it may be well with you
    and you may live long on the earth.”"
    Ephesians 6:1-3 New King James Version
    “Children, obey your parents in all things, for this is well pleasing to the Lord.”
    Colossians 3:20
    —————————:

    In Mathew that you quoted, it is clearly the one that the communist implemented into their doctrine. It is known to political scientist community as divided and conquered. I think this is grossly misrepresentation of Jesus in his true sense of compassion and understanding and give the jet fuel to people like you who would love to take that out of context and stick it back to your parent who waste their flesh and blood to bring you to the world.

    For you believer, it would tear you apart as to which one you should follow, Mat or Ephesian. For me I think it is clear that Ephesian is more in line with its original thesis of the Hindu and Buddhist teaching of which it was copied by the Christian bible writers. Thus Mat is just the extreme version of strong persuasion to satisfy the extreme element within the Christian community. Or the Mathew quote might be from an earlier, younger, and naive Jesus. And the later Ephesian quote was from a more mature Jesus who were later influenced by Hindu/Buddhist teaching. Or could it be that Christian god could not made up his mind as to what Christian ought to be taught, whether to be respectful to their parents or to be disrespectful and ungrateful to their parents.

    Regardless of the dilemma, if one look closely to Jesus life with his parents, one would understand that Ephesian is more in, line with what he would want his followers to be. His parents were Jew and followed Jewish traditions, customs and beliefs. He did not once insult this parents’ belief or tradition or faith, when he found new faith, inspired by his magic power. Pol Pot got the asian disease mentality who would always want to do more than the master, to outdo to prove his worthiness in the communist community, not only to be comparable with Mao, but to outdid the Mao communist. The deficient mentality that needed to be compensated.

    [i]Originally posted by bowang[/i]
    “Matthew 10:34-37, “Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household. He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.”

    Let’s look at it beyond the literal sense. God is not saying fight your family. The physical family is temporal and God is eternal. God is the bigger picture. The father and mother talked about represents the earthy traditions and culture which may be anti God or anti Christ in nature. He is saying, if your traditions are not of God, one should go against it in order to break away from the bondages of the physical world. If you are born into a family of robbers for example, a culture of corruption, one shouldn’t maintain such a lifestyle just for the sake of it. One should fight it for what is right. The ability to see beyond all that’s been taught for generations therefore is not from the earthly parents or traditions but from God himself and this is far greater than anything else on earth.

    #346387
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    khemrin
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    [i]Originally posted by KomLostBong[/i]
    Hey Khemrin bro,

    You spelled the word “sword” incorrect!!!! Look it and spell it again. Ok!!! Hahahhahaah
    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by khemrin[/i]

    And you found this in the bibles? Is this where you find the truth to fight evil?

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by bowang[/i]
    in order to confront evil. you need a sword to fight (truth and knowledge) it and a shield to protect you from it (the holy spirit). if you lay down in passivity, it will destroy you. appeasement doesnt work…

    [/quote]
    [/quote]

    #346397
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    Anonymous

    Thanks khemrin, that you keep an eye of the great teachings of Jesus and correct confusions.
    _()_

    [i]Originally posted by khemrin[/i]

    Bowang,

    Either you misunderstand the context of mathew or you simply don’t understand how this religion work. Please referr to the following teaching found in King James. Now please don’t tell that King James version is not as good as the one you are given to read.

    “Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right.”Honor your father and mother,” which is the first commandment with promise:
    “that it may be well with you
    and you may live long on the earth.”"
    Ephesians 6:1-3 New King James Version
    “Children, obey your parents in all things, for this is well pleasing to the Lord.”
    Colossians 3:20
    —————————:

    #346407
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    Anonymous

    Thanx ..same concept.of.buddhism.. Bowang need to.reread the bible again.lol MO

    [i]Originally posted by khemrin[/i]

    Bowang,

    Either you misunderstand the context of mathew or you simply don’t understand how this religion work. Please referr to the following teaching found in King James. Now please don’t tell that King James version is not as good as the one you are given to read.

    “Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right.”Honor your father and mother,” which is the first commandment with promise:
    “that it may be well with you
    and you may live long on the earth.”"
    Ephesians 6:1-3 New King James Version
    “Children, obey your parents in all things, for this is well pleasing to the Lord.”
    Colossians 3:20
    —————————:

    In Mathew that you quoted, it is clearly the one that the communist implemented into their doctrine. It is known to political scientist community as divided and conquered. I think this is grossly misrepresentation of Jesus in his true sense of compassion and understanding and give the jet fuel to people like you who would love to take that out of context and stick it back to your parent who waste their flesh and blood to bring you to the world.

    For you believer, it would tear you apart as to which one you should follow, Mat or Ephesian. For me I think it is clear that Ephesian is more in line with its original thesis of the Hindu and Buddhist teaching of which it was copied by the Christian bible writers. Thus Mat is just the extreme version of strong persuasion to satisfy the extreme element within the Christian community. Or the Mathew quote might be from an earlier, younger, and naive Jesus. And the later Ephesian quote was from a more mature Jesus who were later influenced by Hindu/Buddhist teaching. Or could it be that Christian god could not made up his mind as to what Christian ought to be taught, whether to be respectful to their parents or to be disrespectful and ungrateful to their parents.

    Regardless of the dilemma, if one look closely to Jesus life with his parents, one would understand that Ephesian is more in, line with what he would want his followers to be. His parents were Jew and followed Jewish traditions, customs and beliefs. He did not once insult this parents’ belief or tradition or faith, when he found new faith, inspired by his magic power. Pol Pot got the asian disease mentality who would always want to do more than the master, to outdo to prove his worthiness in the communist community, not only to be comparable with Mao, but to outdid the Mao communist. The deficient mentality that needed to be compensated.

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by bowang[/i]
    “Matthew 10:34-37, “Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household. He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.”

    Let’s look at it beyond the literal sense. God is not saying fight your family. The physical family is temporal and God is eternal. God is the bigger picture. The father and mother talked about represents the earthy traditions and culture which may be anti God or anti Christ in nature. He is saying, if your traditions are not of God, one should go against it in order to break away from the bondages of the physical world. If you are born into a family of robbers for example, a culture of corruption, one shouldn’t maintain such a lifestyle just for the sake of it. One should fight it for what is right. The ability to see beyond all that’s been taught for generations therefore is not from the earthly parents or traditions but from God himself and this is far greater than anything else on earth.

    [/quote]

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