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    it sounds all good and dandy but it’s unrealistic and naive. this is one of the major problems with eastern thinking including buddhism. for example our khmer culture values the worship of the parents, even to god like status. there’s a khmer story about the search for the buddha, upon finding the buddha, the buddha stated what you were looking for was right in front of you, your parents. as a result, good cambodians are suppose to worship their parents like gods and they do cater to the parents, and they do past down all of the traditions of the parents. if you break this rule, you are a bad son or daughter. it is a value system based on collectivism and not the individuals freedom. it is based on what you can do for the parents when it should be the other way around. responsible mature parenting does thing for the children without expecting anything back. a responsible GOD loves and blesses his children free of charge, this is a thing called Grace.

    we need to rethink, maybe our parents may have been wrong but didn’t realize it because they blindly followed what was set before them. in the real world many parents are not as righteous or as dreamy as what the inexperience monk is preaching. yet people sit there and listen in a trance like state as if they’re given some sort of profound knowledge. when it is just misguided teachings. the blind leading the blind.

    i am not saying dont respect your parents. good parents should be respected. i am just saying be realistic and use discernment. if your parents are *!#@^#*s, they should be held responsible as bad people and not lifted on a pedestal because its prim and proper, politically correct. sometimes, you need to go into hell to save your parents and not the other way around. this is what makes a good son or daughter. the ability to see wrong and step away from it even if it means breaking with all he knows, his tradition and culture. the ability to see the truth in a world of lies.

    God is the Truth, always Righteous, truly worthy of worshipped. anything less is just made up.

    Sorry I tried to reply to the other thread but it created a new one..

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    [Message last modified 07-11-2011 01:02pm by Kadin]

    #346090
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    [i]Originally posted by bowang[/i]
    it sounds all good and dandy but it’s unrealistic and naive. this is one of the major problems with eastern thinking including buddhism. for example our khmer culture values the worship of the parents, even to god like status. there’s a khmer story about the search for the buddha, upon finding the buddha, the buddha stated what you were looking for was right in front of you, your parents. as a result, good cambodians are suppose to worship their parents like gods and they do cater to the parents, and they do past down all of the traditions of the parents. if you break this rule, you are a bad son or daughter. it is a value system based on collectivism and not the individuals freedom. it is based on what you can do for the parents when it should be the other way around. responsible mature parenting does thing for the children without expecting anything back. a responsible GOD loves and blesses his children free of charge, this is a thing called Grace.

    we need to rethink, maybe our parents may have been wrong but didn’t realize it because they blindly followed what was set before them. in the real world many parents are not as righteous or as dreamy as what the inexperience monk is preaching. yet people sit there and listen in a trance like state as if they’re given some sort of profound knowledge. when it is just misguided teachings. the blind leading the blind.

    i am not saying dont respect your parents. good parents should be respected. i am just saying be realistic and use discernment. if your parents are *!#@^#*s, they should be held responsible as bad people and not lifted on a pedestal because its prim and proper, politically correct. sometimes, you need to go into hell to save your parents and not the other way around. this is what makes a good son or daughter. the ability to see wrong and step away from it even if it means breaking with all he knows, his tradition and culture. the ability to see the truth in a world of lies.

    God is the Truth, always Righteous, truly worthy of worshipped. anything less is just made up.

    SORRY I TRIED TO REPLY TO THE OTHER THREAD BUT IT CREATED A NEW ONE..

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    [Message last modified 04-30-2011 05:11pm by bowang]

    bible said honor our mother and father, it is a commandment not a recommendation or an advice but a commandment… are u saying for those who worship their parents as gods is the problem?

    [Message last modified 05-01-2011 01:36am by rasy]

    #346100
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    if your parents were wrong and their parents were wrong in rejecting the truth for many generations, and the child comes to know the truth, it is not the work of the parents but of God and his grace only. therefore, by the will of God, he may reject his earthly parents, for his Eternal family. yes honor your parents, but do not worship them in idolatry or take part in a culture which does so. our earthly parents only acted as the vessel for the physical life, but it is God who breaths life into being in the Spirit.

    #346107
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    If your elder ancestory dont exist, you wont have a a-hole parent or good parent.
    Without your parent you dont exist, you don’t exist there is no “GOD”.

    You are contradicting yourself in the term of respecting elders as a commandment from the bible and a teaching from the budda..

    [i]Originally posted by bowang[/i]
    if your parents were wrong and their parents were wrong in rejecting the truth for many generations, and the child comes to know the truth, it is not the work of the parents but of God and his grace only. therefore, by the will of God, he may reject his earthly parents, for his Eternal family. yes honor your parents, but do not worship them in idolatry or take part in a culture which does so. our earthly parents only acted as the vessel for the physical life, but it is God who breaths life into being in the Spirit.

    #346116
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    I would like to see more facts to prove that the eastern thinking and Buddhism have problem.

    Frankly I disagree with you by saying the gratitude to parents is naïve and the Eastern thinking with Buddhist influential is bad. I see it just the opposite. However I do see some bad parents who deserve not to be respected in both eastern and western societies; fortunately the number of those parents is very insignificant. And we cannot use them to portray the whole society as bad.

    Parents always love and care their children in any societies including any religion and any culture (western or eastern). But the degree of love is different from one to another. And the way to express love is different. The love is the instinct of living beings. Just look at other animals living around us; they do also love their offspring. You can see they try to protect their offspring as hard as they could whenever their offspring are in danger. Only snake-fishes (trey chdor) eat their offspring; that could be their gene for parental love is muted in their DNA.

    Yes I am a parent of two and I know how much love towards my children is. It is actually more than my life. And I look at other parents in my American and Khmer societies. They are not much different than me; they love their kids. Yes I do see some bad parents such as a woman who drown her three children for her love to a rich man and a father who raped his own daughter. Fortunately the number of those bad parents is very insignificant.

    Buddha is right regarding to pay gratitude to parents; He sees all things most parents have sacrificed just to make sure their children are safe and happy. I ask myself the other day – Who care and love me most? – First I thought me, but then I realized my parents love me most, not me, not my children, and not my wife. I sometimes abuse myself by working hard, but my parents never did that to me and always make sure I was safe and happy. Thus Buddha is right to pay gratitude to parents. BTW Buddha also taught us to use common sense and rationale to do thing.

    Regarding to Eastern and Western cultures – I notice parents in Eastern culture want to see their children getting really strong before let them independent, while the Western culture want their children independent as soon as they could. Thus the family bonding in eastern culture is much closer than the western counter part. The question – who love their children most, and what culture the children benefit most?

    Originally posted by bowang
    it sounds all good and dandy but it’s unrealistic and naive. this is one of the major problems with eastern thinking including buddhism. for example our khmer culture values the worship of the parents, even to god like status. there’s a khmer story about the search for the buddha, upon finding the buddha, the buddha stated what you were looking for was right in front of you, your parents. as a result, good cambodians are suppose to worship their parents like gods and they do cater to the parents, and they do past down all of the traditions of the parents. if you break this rule, you are a bad son or daughter. it is a value system based on collectivism and not the individuals freedom. it is based on what you can do for the parents when it should be the other way around. responsible mature parenting does thing for the children without expecting anything back. a responsible GOD loves and blesses his children free of charge, this is a thing called Grace.

    we need to rethink, maybe our parents may have been wrong but didn’t realize it because they blindly followed what was set before them. in the real world many parents are not as righteous or as dreamy as what the inexperience monk is preaching. yet people sit there and listen in a trance like state as if they’re given some sort of profound knowledge. when it is just misguided teachings. the blind leading the blind.

    i am not saying dont respect your parents. good parents should be respected. i am just saying be realistic and use discernment. if your parents are *!#@^#*s, they should be held responsible as bad people and not lifted on a pedestal because its prim and proper, politically correct. sometimes, you need to go into hell to save your parents and not the other way around. this is what makes a good son or daughter. the ability to see wrong and step away from it even if it means breaking with all he knows, his tradition and culture. the ability to see the truth in a world of lies.

    God is the Truth, always Righteous, truly worthy of worshipped. anything less is just made up.

    SORRY I TRIED TO REPLY TO THE OTHER THREAD BUT IT CREATED A NEW ONE..

    [Message last modified 05-01-2011 07:08am by sorchek]

    #346126
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    bowang
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    by your petty logic, who were the first parents? the first cause? lets say adam and eve or maybe even ah krem and bopha. well who do you think created them? breath life into them. i believe it was God but does it even matter anymore since existence in the overall scheme of thing is happening all at once? there is a God, the fact that people are able to come up with such a concept and even doubt him proves his Being.

    buddhism is wrong in the sense that it rejects Christ, the one and only Truth. our parents believed in this religion because their parents taught it to them. most believe blindly aware of only a few concepts such as reincarnation and karma. nothing more nothing less. i should have been a buddhist myself but by the grace of God i am not. it is not my work. i honor my parents but i see they are wrong in faith. i love them still even more as a christian than an atheist or a buddhist, my former self.

    [i]Originally posted by PhnomKlarSar[/i]
    If your elder ancestory dont exist, you wont have a a-hole parent or good parent.
    Without your parent you dont exist, you don’t exist there is no “GOD”.

    You are contradicting yourself in the term of respecting elders as a commandment from the bible and a teaching from the budda..
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    [i]Originally posted by bowang[/i]
    if your parents were wrong and their parents were wrong in rejecting the truth for many generations, and the child comes to know the truth, it is not the work of the parents but of God and his grace only. therefore, by the will of God, he may reject his earthly parents, for his Eternal family. yes honor your parents, but do not worship them in idolatry or take part in a culture which does so. our earthly parents only acted as the vessel for the physical life, but it is God who breaths life into being in the Spirit.

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    #346136
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    bowang
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    sorchek..

    the biggest problem in this world since the dawn of time, since the fall is collectivism. as soon as adam and eve had children. collectivism reared its ugly head. it is the natural progression of our society. prior to Christ, the world only knew of the collective. the judeo christian value system brought over the individual right into the system. and so the enemy attacked with marxism and communism and today progressivism in order to bring about the new world order which is just the old rehashed into its many incarnations sold as new. you ever thought why and how a country full of peaceful buddhists managed to kill 2 millions? it is because buddhism doesnt and is unwilling stand up to what’s evil in this world. it becomes the enabler in complacency because maybe it too has similar root when dug deep enough. it supports the status quo and buddhism lacks the conviction by its followers asked by its founder. look at how many buddhists drink smoke and gamble, hurt, loves money, sell their child into slavery, all because life is an illusion and therefore the pain is not real or is deferred to the next life. it is a religion unwilling to take responsibility now. that is what is wrong with it. now i am not just pointing the finger at buddhism, islam is another religion, lost in translation and misguided but lets save that for next time.

    the truth is no parent is perfect. we are imperfect beings. so it is not insignificant. it is significant because it is all of us. we are inherently bad people, evil in nature. i am a father and i have flaws. but we must own up to our sinful ways. not talking about it is not going to solve the problem. we must realize that when we do wrong we must repent and say sorry not just to God but our children as well when committed. lets not be too prideful and lie to our children and have them think we are more than fallen creatures or we are better than them when we are on the same boat and they may even see the shore sooner than us. buddhism doesnt address these matter. it simply brushes it under the rug. and as a result our children are killed by the enemy.

    parents do not always love and care for their children. you have father abandoning their kids too often in america. it is a nice thought to have because it sounds good. some parents do not know how to love. and the reason why is because their parents probably didnt teach them how to love. it is not proper to show love in some culture a stoic attitud. i see this often in cambodian parents. and there are those psychopaths born with hate who may have children. so love is not just in words but also in actions. it is absolute. one way is better than another. we are not animals, we are better than that. a father love for his daughter resulting in her “honor killing” is absolutely wrong. moral relativism is wrong. in order to defeat the enemy we must see it for what it is first and take action now.

    i disagree with you. as parents we are not making any real sacrifices for our kids. to think so is self serving and wrong. we had sex and we brought them into the world. so they do not owe us anything, we as parents are the one who owes them for coming into our lives to fill it so it wouldnt be so mundane. it is our responsibility to take care of them because we made that choice. so we must try to make them happy because it makes us happy. now that i am married, my parents are secondary. the happiness of my wife and kids comes first because my happiness is in them. God knows this and allows it.

    #346145
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    Logic? Buddy is common sense..lol

    Prove with ur DnA u are Adam and ever great great great grandson… if u claim that, are you an incest….?

    I can prove my blood line down to the last drop…therefore I and many other agreed they have a bloodline. Not nonsense to believe you were created from dust..no scientist have proven that, not even disciple during Jesus time…

    [i]Originally posted by bowang[/i]
    by your petty logic, who were the first parents? the first cause? lets say adam and eve or maybe even ah krem and bopha. well who do you think created them? breath life into them. i believe it was God but does it even matter anymore since existence in the overall scheme of thing is happening all at once? there is a God, the fact that people are able to come up with such a concept and even doubt him proves his Being.

    buddhism is wrong in the sense that it rejects Christ, the one and only Truth. our parents belieived in this religion because their parents taught it to them. most believe blindly aware of only a few concepts such as reincarnation and karma. nothing more nothing less. i should have been a buddhist myself but by the grace of God i am not. it is not my work. i honor my parents but i see they are wrong in faith. i love them still even more as a christian than an atheist or a buddhist, my former self.

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    [i]Originally posted by PhnomKlarSar[/i]
    If your elder ancestory dont exist, you wont have a a-hole parent or good parent.
    Without your parent you dont exist, you don’t exist there is no “GOD”.

    You are contradicting yourself in the term of respecting elders as a commandment from the bible and a teaching from the budda..
    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by bowang[/i]
    if your parents were wrong and their parents were wrong in rejecting the truth for many generations, and the child comes to know the truth, it is not the work of the parents but of God and his grace only. therefore, by the will of God, he may reject his earthly parents, for his Eternal family. yes honor your parents, but do not worship them in idolatry or take part in a culture which does so. our earthly parents only acted as the vessel for the physical life, but it is God who breaths life into being in the Spirit.

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    #346155
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    bowang
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    i dont remember what i ate yesterday, so knowing my bloodline to the last drop is the least of my worries. i do know whatever blood it is, its been washed over by the blood of Christ.

    [i]Originally posted by PhnomKlarSar[/i]
    Logic? Buddy is common sense..lol

    Prove with ur DnA u are Adam and ever great great great grandson… if u claim that, are you an incest….?

    I can prove my blood line down to the last drop…therefore I and many other agreed they have a bloodline. Not nonsense to believe you were created from dust..no scientist have proven that, not even disciple during Jesus time…
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    [i]Originally posted by bowang[/i]
    by your petty logic, who were the first parents? the first cause? lets say adam and eve or maybe even ah krem and bopha. well who do you think created them? breath life into them. i believe it was God but does it even matter anymore since existence in the overall scheme of thing is happening all at once? there is a God, the fact that people are able to come up with such a concept and even doubt him proves his Being.

    buddhism is wrong in the sense that it rejects Christ, the one and only Truth. our parents belieived in this religion because their parents taught it to them. most believe blindly aware of only a few concepts such as reincarnation and karma. nothing more nothing less. i should have been a buddhist myself but by the grace of God i am not. it is not my work. i honor my parents but i see they are wrong in faith. i love them still even more as a christian than an atheist or a buddhist, my former self.

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    [i]Originally posted by PhnomKlarSar[/i]
    If your elder ancestory dont exist, you wont have a a-hole parent or good parent.
    Without your parent you dont exist, you don’t exist there is no “GOD”.

    You are contradicting yourself in the term of respecting elders as a commandment from the bible and a teaching from the budda..
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    [i]Originally posted by bowang[/i]
    if your parents were wrong and their parents were wrong in rejecting the truth for many generations, and the child comes to know the truth, it is not the work of the parents but of God and his grace only. therefore, by the will of God, he may reject his earthly parents, for his Eternal family. yes honor your parents, but do not worship them in idolatry or take part in a culture which does so. our earthly parents only acted as the vessel for the physical life, but it is God who breaths life into being in the Spirit.

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    #346165
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    Off course you don’t. You.can’t even remember if your mom gave birth to you or eve did…lmao…

    [i]Originally posted by bowang[/i]
    i dont remember what i ate yesterday, so knowing my bloodline to the last drop is the least of my worries. i do know whatever blood it is, its been washed over by the blood of Christ.

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    [i]Originally posted by PhnomKlarSar[/i]
    Logic? Buddy is common sense..lol

    Prove with ur DnA u are Adam and ever great great great grandson… if u claim that, are you an incest….?

    I can prove my blood line down to the last drop…therefore I and many other agreed they have a bloodline. Not nonsense to believe you were created from dust..no scientist have proven that, not even disciple during Jesus time…
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    [i]Originally posted by bowang[/i]
    by your petty logic, who were the first parents? the first cause? lets say adam and eve or maybe even ah krem and bopha. well who do you think created them? breath life into them. i believe it was God but does it even matter anymore since existence in the overall scheme of thing is happening all at once? there is a God, the fact that people are able to come up with such a concept and even doubt him proves his Being.

    buddhism is wrong in the sense that it rejects Christ, the one and only Truth. our parents belieived in this religion because their parents taught it to them. most believe blindly aware of only a few concepts such as reincarnation and karma. nothing more nothing less. i should have been a buddhist myself but by the grace of God i am not. it is not my work. i honor my parents but i see they are wrong in faith. i love them still even more as a christian than an atheist or a buddhist, my former self.

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    [i]Originally posted by PhnomKlarSar[/i]
    If your elder ancestory dont exist, you wont have a a-hole parent or good parent.
    Without your parent you dont exist, you don’t exist there is no “GOD”.

    You are contradicting yourself in the term of respecting elders as a commandment from the bible and a teaching from the budda..
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    [i]Originally posted by bowang[/i]
    if your parents were wrong and their parents were wrong in rejecting the truth for many generations, and the child comes to know the truth, it is not the work of the parents but of God and his grace only. therefore, by the will of God, he may reject his earthly parents, for his Eternal family. yes honor your parents, but do not worship them in idolatry or take part in a culture which does so. our earthly parents only acted as the vessel for the physical life, but it is God who breaths life into being in the Spirit.

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