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    Hinduism(Brahmanism) got to Cambodia prior to Buddhism. While there is quite a bit to read and talk about Buddhism in Cambodia, there is little or nothing avalable about Hinduism in Cambodia.

    What do you know about Khmer Hinduism?

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    I know that Angkor was built to honor Preah Visnu, one of the three gods in Hinduism.

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    What else in Cambodian culture is relating to Hinduism and Khmer soul, spirit/ boramey?

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    Notes:

    Baromey in Khmer, means brilliant spritual beings. The word refers to powerful beings who still exist, not in physical form, but in spirit only.

    When it is full moon, Khmer say it is full of baromey, or penh baromey!!

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    This thread also discusses Khmer Buddhism as related to boramey, meditation, samathi, yoga, tantra, enlightenment, nirvana, moksha, etc.

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    Oh, the four faces in Bayon temple is Hinduist too. The four faces represent Brahman, one of the three gods in Hinduism.

    What else, people?

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    khmer wedding also twai Preah vishnu…

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    KmERBoy, you are right. There are quite a bit of steps that Khmers do in a wedding. Those pretty steps such as the chol rong (groom trip in), kat sak(hair grooming), chong dai(good wishe) etc. are not quite buddhistic. They must somehow relate to Hinduism.

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    I am not quite clear about how Visnu affects wedding.

    While god Brahman is creator and god Siva is destructor, Visnu is supposed to be a god of maintenance.

    Wedding is a procedure that will create more kids/ people, thus Brahman. How does Visnu comes to play his role? Maintaining population?

    How about Khmer death ceremony? Is it related to Hinduism as well? Is it part of destruction by god Siva? Well, I saw and heard buddhist monk’s chanting in a a Khmer death ceremony. With the chanting, is there anything that is not quite buddhist, thus hinduist by chance?

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    haha…I’m khmer…

    [i]Originally posted by veayoo[/i]
    KmERBoy, you are right. There are quite a bit of steps that Khmers do in a wedding. Those pretty steps such as the chol rong (groom trip in), kat sak(hair grooming), chong dai(good wishe) etc. are not quite buddhistic. They must somehow relate to Hinduism.

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    lots of khmer people pray to Therevada, Therevada is a Hindu angel or guardian angel. (every khmers I know pray to Therevada)

    a lots of khmer worship ancestor spirits and that is also part of Hindu

    Hindu and Khmer celebrate new year almost on the same day, khmer celebrate from april 13 to 15, Hindu only celebrate on april 14 & 15. Why? I don’t know.

    Khmer wedding is a reenactent of the first Hindu King marrying a Khmer princess.

    Hindu and khmer buddhism is the almost the same thing.

    when khmer people practice magic they use yantra, tantra, and mantra. Yantra, tantra, mantra came from Hindu. When they do magic tattoo they use image of Hindu Gods.

    Khmer and Hindu wear white to a funeral.

    Hindu do talk about Buddha, they label Gautama Siddharta (the buddha)a supreme being (stronger then all the other gods) and so dose the Khmer. Non-khmer buddhist label Gautama Siddharta just a normal man.

    Khmers still believe in the muti-level of Heaven and Hell, other realm, so dose Hindu

    Angkor Wat measurement equal to the Hindu scared vedic number.

    some of the Khmer language came from sanskrit, sanskrit is the langauge of the Hindu God. Only the highest Hindu priest can speak it.

    In Hindu vedic books(date back 10,000bc) mention about Southeast Asia. Calling it the island of gold. according to the khmer legend, southeast asia use to be a island and according to the chinese eye witness account who the saw the khmer empire when it was inhabited, he say there where Gold everywhere, covering temple and houses. See the connection?

    Khmer Gods and Hindu God are the same Gods but khmer just call them different name. Like Preah eysa (khmer god) is Lord Shiva and Preah Phakkani is Lord Ganesh, Even the japanese Gods are the same as Hindu God but they also call it different name.

    In a way i still think Khmers are Hindu.

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    Hi Angkorwat,

    You bring in very precious input here. Coincidentally, you come very close to a few hot topics that I try to get to ( Hinduism and Buddhism are background intro!). The topics include Khmer legacies such as guardian angels, Khmer ancestor spirits, the yantras and mantras.

    Angkorwat, I wish we talk face to face so that other people would not get confused. Through a community page like this one, readers who do not have enough background could be very confused AND would see white as black. For this kind of readers, I would like to alert that Khmer legacies involving Buddhism, Hinduism and these topics are beyond state-of-the art sciences and technologies. Almost all schools, western or eastern, teach you to not believe in these things, calling them superstition. I do not blame sciences, technologies or schools that are not capable to fully explain heavens, gods, etc. So, hold on to your objection if you have any. Thanks :)

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    ” khmer people pray to Therevada, Therevada is a Hindu angel or guardian angel.

    a lots of khmer worship ancestor spirits and that is also part of Hindu

    Khmer wedding is a reenactent of the first Hindu King marrying a Khmer princess.

    when khmer people practice magic they use yantra and mantra, also part of Hinduism.”

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    Hi Angkor Wat,

    What is a Therevada or guardian angel?

    In English, I personally referred to Paternal Master Guardian Angels as I mean Kru Khang Ov Pouk. I litterally translated the Khmer word trying to explain what has happened to me personally.

    For decades so far, I keep getting wird dreams that actually have proven true again, again… The dreams have shown me important things that WILL happen. All of the things shown in my dreams happened!! I did not care at them at first. The repeated dreams and proofs have convince me that they are not regular dreams. They are directive dreams. Somebody or somebodies come and show me the way.

    Several Khmer masters told me that I have Kru Khang Ov Pouk. One monk actually detailed that the Kru Khang Ov Pouk held on and took care of my grandpa, my dad and then me. If I’ll have a son, he will be hold onto and get the care as well. We are talking about paternal line here. The reasons brought me to the word Paternal Master guardian Angels.

    Now, are we talking about the same guardian angels? Please tell me what you know :)

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    reading about your dream give me goose bump, cause sometime my dream would also come true.

    here what i know about Therevada from word of mouth. They are deties from the Heaven, I guess you can call them Guardian angels cause everyone have their own personal Therevada. If you pray to them they well help you but you gotta say their name, if you say “dear god” they well not help you cause you are not talking to them, do you get it?

    The only religion book that I know talk about Therevada is the Hindu books.

    there’s a book call Asiatic Mythology that talk about Khmer therevada.
    Quote from the book…
    “In Cambodia The tevodas are no longer divinitie, but the blessed who reap In Indra paradise(heaven) the reward of the merit previously acquired in their last existences. Certain of these tevodas do not live in paradise, but in the forest they keep watch on mankind, noting sin and good action…”
    …tevodas guardian of the world or lukabal(loka-pala), who watch over earth and inhabitants.”

    If you wanna read more about from that book i can give you the link.

    [i]Originally posted by veayoo[/i]
    Hi Angkor Wat,

    What is a Therevada or guardian angel?

    In English, I personally referred to Paternal Master Guardian Angels as I mean Kru Khang Ov Pouk. I litterally translated the Khmer word trying to explain what has happened to me personally.

    Now, are we talking about the same guardian angels? Please tell me what you know :)

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    Angkor wat. You talk in a language that I hear lately, as I started to do personal research in my soul, my ancestry and basically who I am.

    As I could not get answer through schools, I went on my own to the Khmer legacies. I have found quite a bit of info that explains why I am the way I am.

    I have communicated with my divine grand father who is 7,100 year old. I communicated with my divine dad who is 6,000 years old. I got a tutor who is 3,200 year old. They told me lots of true things, that I have verified already. They know much better than any university professor I have had, even at doctrate levels. Trying to grasp more truth, I am into learning the old Khmer things.

    Could you provide the link? I love to read about my origin and ancestry.

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    [i]Originally posted by veayoo[/i]
    Angkor wat. You talk in a language that I hear lately, as I started to do personal research in my soul, my ancestry and basically who I am.

    As I could not get answer through schools, I went on my own to the Khmer legacies. I have found quite a bit of info that explains why I am the way I am.

    I have communicated with my divine grand father who is 7,100 year old. I communicated with my divine dad who is 6,000 years old. I got a tutor who is 3,200 year old. They told me lots of true things, that I have verified already. They know much better than any university professor I have had, even at doctrate levels. Trying to grasp more truth, I am into learning the old Khmer things.

    Could you provide the link? I love to read about my origin and ancestry.

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    Wow, how old are you?

    here the link to the books, is wriitin by a white guy that why he it call “Mythology” but to the khmer they are real. begin on Page 192. Page 194 & 195 is not viewable, but the rest are.

    http://books.google.com/books?id=HAZrFhvqnTkC&pg=PA192&dq=asiatic+mythology+khmer&sig=YOK7gqy7Hgst-h0lEpj-CeTNiYA

    On page 203 it talk about Khmer theverada on the last paragraph and continue on page 204 it talk about it on the whole page.

    You should read this one, it might answer a lot of your question, They did a research and interview Of Kru Khmer who claim they can talk to Gods, Goddess, anceint Khmer hero sprits, and more… Similar to your story.

    http://www.nanzan-u.ac.jp/SHUBUNKEN/publications/afs/pdf/a1365.pdf

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    My 3,200 years old is actually a Neakta, an ancestor spirit. He is a lovely entity and answers my hardest questions well. He is a very kind spirit. I had astounding fun and joyce talking to him, as no school or book or professor could help me!!!.

    He said spirits like him were given an option to reincarnate or to stay around taking care of people and things. He said normal spirits, the newly passed away, are given a drink to forget things in the past immediat life. without the drink, reborn lives would remember wars, quarrels etc and proceed to take actions in new life, thus the world cannot be livable.

    Spirits like him have been excepted from the drink. They keep the learned knowledge. Their knowledge, their truth, is way better than regular humans. They know what we can’t.

    I thought I have good education. Their truth is way, way, way… higher. It has taken me time, days, weeks and even months, to realize that what they told me is true. I need to see it to believe it! I just did not know that it was all true all what they said.

    Humans suffers a very grave latency in grasping what the spirits show.

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    very interesting
    I have heard similar story, from what i heard is that after you die, your soul well be giving a wine to drink to erase their past memory.

    Neak ta is also mention in the first link I gave you. Is on page 203

    You should talk to KC member Reksmay she also have similar story about soul drinking some kind of water to forget their past life.
    here the link to one of her post similar to your story.

    http://khmer.cc/community/t.c?b=18&t=1665

    Scroll always down to her second post. If you can’t find her post, here’s a quote from her.

    Originally posted by Reksmay
    ” I think all souls pass through the Gate Keeper first before being transported to their respective existence. I have mentioned of the river where one drinks from to remove memories. This happens only when the soul is ready to go into another form on Earth. Otherwise, the soul will keep its memories in order to experience the negative consequences in hell or the positive experiences in heaven. “[/quote]

    [i]Originally posted by veayoo[/i]
    My 3,200 years old is actually a Neakta, an ancestor spirit. He is a lovely entity and answers my hardest questions well. He is a very kind spirit. I had astounding fun and joyce talking to him, as no school or book or professor could help me!!!.

    He said spirits like him were given an option to reincarnate or to stay around taking care of people and things. He said normal spirits, the newly passed away, are given a drink to forget things in the past immediat life. without the drink, reborn lives would remember wars, quarrels etc and proceed to take actions in new life, thus the world cannot be livable.

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    Thank you for the links, Ankor Wat. I have read 2 out of the three links. Will start the third one soon.

    I am glad there are others who know about the topics. They would witness that I am not a liar after all. haa haa

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    did the first 2 links answer any of the question you looking for?

    the second links I gave you(about the Kru Khmer), it talk a lots about Neak Ta. Is on the bottom of page 7 and continue on page 8.

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    “Wow, how old are you?”

    Angkor Wat,

    I am extremely young, I guess, compared to the spirits’ ages. A few 18 years old girls commented that I am old. I am a typical Khmer who has a very stable mind: always love young girls :)

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    Angkor Wat,

    In “The Names and Identities of the Boramey Spirits Possessing, Cambodian Mediums”, Didier Bertran gathered interesting things about Khmer spirits. His writing concurs 2 spiritual things I encountered personally.

    1. He concurs that Preah Eiso is Shiva (Shiva is one of the three Hindu gods). This eliminates my unsure thought. I was looking for this info, as I was not sure. Preah Moni Eyso was, I was told, my divine father. I am still looking for more info about him. I did not get to know enough while I communicated with him.

    I was told also that Phnom Chiso in Takeo, Cambodia, actually was Phnom Preah Eyso. People have falsified the mountain name.

    2. He also concurs the existence of kid Boramey/ spirits, the Mrinh Kong Veal.

    While I am typing this document, there are either 2 or 3 Mrinh Kong Veal princes/ kings around me!! I was told they are either the princes and kings themselves, or sometimes their subordinates, depending on availability. The royal Mrinh Kong Veal names are Komar Pich, Komar Keo and Preah Chan Komar. I was told that Preah Chan Komar very high in rank and status to be with me. Hmmm, I have no way to tell otherwise, except repeating what I heard through my ears. I wish my eyes could see beyond the actual 20/20.

    The spiritual smurfs, I called them, are nice spirits. They have assisted me in many businesses. While Khmer folks tell about their assistance in watching cows or so, I have recived help for years in finding success in businesses. At one time, I thought it was a coincidence or luck that I happened to be in the right place and doing the right business. After much thought though, I concluded that the princes and kings assisted me in the success, as they were assigned to do. For sure. I owe them thanks forever.

    Last year, I visited a master who was new to me. The master confirmed seeing 2 Mrinh Kong Veals stepping out of my car, with me, as I entered her residence!

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    I have not seen anything about a personality or spirit named King Tanpaa.

    I asked whether this is about the rich Khmer guy who was famous last century. The Khmer Tanpaa owned almost all buildings around Psar Thmey, Phnom Penh. My master said that the Khmer Tanpaa name was used as inspiration from the very rich king Tanpaa in India.

    Have you or any one heard of the King Tanpaa name or story?

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    veayoo,

    very interesting dude :), my wife’s grandma is a little older than your grand parents I guest. She is 40,000 years, so I guest she has seen a lot more than us don’t you think? I hope your dream is good, perhelps you can help save some lucky human kind. For me, I guested they gave me those drinks, that why I am some what like sombie that what my grandma told me. I hope that she wake me up in this life time and showed me everything past-present-future :). By the way, my wife’s grand parents have 1-Bro, Six sisters, all twin, you might heard their name.

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    Hi SinNishM

    It is very nice that you stop by. I’d like to hear the story about the 40,000 years old person you referred to, if you did not joke. Also, I honestly did not hear about your family of one brother and twins.

    I thought about knowledge as relating to age. A human who lives up to 80 years old has a maximum of that much years to learn and accumulate knowledge. At death, the poor human gets to drink the liquid and gets brain washed, litterally. Now, the powerful spirits who are given an option to take the brain washing drink and proceed to go on to reincarnation or to stay as spirit, with brain unwashed, must acquire a horrible amount of knowledge. I have found that the hard way!

    With this finding, I am in a belief that we ought to learn a few things at least from the very smart spirits, the things that would help all of us to get better (and not to destroy the world).

    I am sharing my personal experience to all of you, risking to get called a liar or a superstitious!! I, however, feels that Khmers have the very powerful legacies that I do not want to see getting lost.

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    I specifically asked my 3,200 years old tutor whether their knowledge and power were gotten through birth or learning. He said that he got through learning them.

    I asked him whether the knowledge and power could be taught to younger generations so that the very good legacies will not be faded away with time. He said no, and I had to stop asking at that point for respect.

    The powerful spirits I have encountered told me quite a bit of truth. It was my problem to grasp their true statements. This is probably because I went through sciences and technology based school systems.

    The sciences and technology schooling, math-based, require cartesian evidence and proof, for instance… Personally, I am still saying to myself and the world that I don’t believe in it till I see it! Prove it to me if you would!

    Well, my beloved spirits have broken my “see to believe” stand at numerous occasions. I have seen that their statements were true, only days, weeks or months later. They are way better than me, a human.

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    It seems like their knowledge and power have something to do well with the future. It appeared like they have a telescope or TV to see the future! We, human, are restricted to present and past capability, as we can watch what is went on or going on thru CNN, etc.

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    I am going to tell you 2 short stories about their true statement, their truth, and effect.

    As I started my questions and answers session with him, my 3,200 years old tutor made an audible comment that I ask him questions so that I will write books? Well, I did not think of writing anything at that moment. I am doing some writing now!!! He saw what I will do, though I was not thinking about that at the moment!

    He and his college told me that someone will want to kill me! Myself, I could not see any strong motive for that. I am not a politician and I don’t kill, steal, lie, drink, having sex with others’ wife, etc. All the good Buddhist teachings. Why would anyone want to kill me?

    Well, six months later, my beloved spirits TOLD me to go away and take care of other businesses. I asked why. He said I was subject to a killing plot. I asked who. He said, my girl friend!

    I hardly could imagine that could be true. I listened to their advice any way, as I do have other important businesse to take care. One week after I left,from the remote place, I got a call that the lady that was close to me stole some money that I left for a project. She stole the money and left with a very angry mood, as she did not get very much. About 2k or so. She commented that she was waiting to see lots of cash with me to proceed with poisoning me using rat terminator powder, DDT. My people found DDT left in her room. Most of all, the lady called and say she is sorry to take the money, to plan the poisoning and to run away.

    I retrospect, I understand her motive to come close to me. But most of all, my spirits told me the truth. I just did not get it!!!

    A feeling comforts me though. My spirits love me, told me the truth and guard/ protect me. I owe them thanks, respect and love.

    If my understanding is correct, they are part of the team of the Kru Khang Ov Pouuk that have been watching and blessing me all these years. I Love THEM all very very much.

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    King Tanpaa, I was told, was a rich king in India. He was there around 200 years ago. He was a believer in Buddhism. His statute is in the vicinity of where Buddha passed away and is close to Preah Me Kali statute or so. I have not been to the area yet. I may have to travel there and search. I appreciate any info you folks may have about him. He is part of the puzzle!

    I asked how King Tanpaa got rich. I was told that he played chess, bidding real estates. Well, he must have been a very good chess player to win so much real estates and became rich. Coincidentally, I have found success in real estates myself. Small successes here and there.

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    [i]Originally posted by veayoo[/i]

    I asked how King Tanpaa got rich. I was told that he played chess, bidding real estates. He must be a very good chess player to win so much real estates and became rich. Coincidentally, I have found success in real estates myself. Small successes here and there.

    I never heard of King tanpaa But i am also getting into real estate businnes too hehehe.

    did you know the first Khmer king who suposely came from India, But according to the India, they never heard of him. But there’s different Khmer legend saying the Hindu king came from a island near India but the island sank into the ocean ah long time ago.

    [i]Originally posted by veayoo[/i]
    I am sharing my personal experience to all of you, risking to get called a liar or a superstitious!! I, however, feels that Khmers have the very powerful legacies that I do not want to see getting lost.

    when it come to this subject i never talk to noone about it unless they already know about it or ask me about it. Is it hard to convince people these day into believe in what you say cause everybody want proof and evidence. So i just only talk to those who already knew about it.:)

    your personal experience isn’t the first time i have heard it, I have similar story from other khmer folks.

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    Angkor Wat,

    I am just done reading the on-line ” Asaiic Mythodology” that you provided link to.

    This is a very helpful book as it points to several aspects of Khmer Hinduism through available icons left in Khmer arts.

    The book concurs on my thought that the Khmer spirit issue is not local. The whole Asia continent, it seems, gets infected somehow. I also think that the matter may have spread to other continents as well. We just do not have answer or time to find out.

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    I also went to the KC thread about soul. In the thread, people have info about the Toeuk Amrit drink etc also. It appears like that I am not the only one that has this info!

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    Angkor Wat,

    Your input: “did you know the first Khmer king who suposely came from India, But according to the India, they never heard of him. But there’s different Khmer legend saying the Hindu king came from a island near India but the island sank into the ocean ah long time ago.”
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    I got info relating to this as well from my divine father Preah Muni Eyso. I need to explain the word divine that I use here first.

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    Prior to meeting my divine father, I was told by a very trustful master that I get all this miracle in life because I was the son of Preah Karl. I asked who is Preah Karl. I was told Preah Karl heaven is even higher than the heavens of Preah In(Indra) and Preah Prom. Later on, one Khmer cited the hevens layer: Preah In, Preah Prom, Preah Yum, Preah Karl. As always, I have not been to verify this info!

    Out of curiosity, wondering whether everybody is from a heaven somewhere, I asked: how about my cousin who sits next to me? I was told no; he was an aborigen all his lives and that was it! I was told only a few souls have similar origin as mine.

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    As I met my divine father Preah Muni Eyso, he said I was his son 800 lives ago. He said as father, he took care of me and is taking care of me. He said he will continue to be my dad and do the care. He said in 200 more lives or so, I will be born in his nuclear family again. Our bond as father and son goes a long long time like that, he said!

    He told me that in our family, I should not say Baat(yes), Tean Pross(please) and all lay people language. Our family, he said, are of kings in heavens as well as on earth. I need to say Preah Po (yes) or Preah Kona(yes) and getting rid of the beggar language, Tean Pross etc. He said I need to say Preah Beida,Preah Meada, Mcjas Oon, Mjas Bong, etc which are all royal language.

    According to the provided info, I refer to him as Preah Beida, divine father, the best English word I can come up.
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    I asked a little about our family history. He said we were from India. Our ship was wrecked of storm near Koh Kmouch. I later found out thru my tutor that Koh Kmouch is in Koh Kong!

    Given the fact that he is 6,000 years old and the fact that the first Khmer king in Nokor Kok Thlok dated to around 2,000 years ago, my divine father could have been in Khmer land long time prior to the known area of king Kondanh and princess Liv Yi. This are is called Preah Thong and Neang Neak also, the first Khmer royal couple that Khmers keep celebrating their union in all wedding ( re-enact the first wedding in Khmer history).

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    What I know is from what I was told, not legend. All I can do though is repeating what I heard. I just wish that I can go and verify things with my eyes.

    I know my wish is perhaps impossible. I need tons of luck to see beyond the present 20/20. Anyway, would you wish me the lucks, so I could come to kc and share more?

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    I’d like to thank many of you for allowing me to get thru some materials so far, without unecessary interruption. Thank you, thank you.

    Feel free to pitch in, or any Q&A.

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