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  • #363020
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    Hinduism(Brahmanism) got to Cambodia prior to Buddhism. While there is quite a bit to read and talk about Buddhism in Cambodia, there is little or nothing avalable about Hinduism in Cambodia.

    What do you know about Khmer Hinduism?

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    I know that Angkor was built to honor Preah Visnu, one of the three gods in Hinduism.

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    What else in Cambodian culture is relating to Hinduism and Khmer soul, spirit/ boramey?

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    Notes:

    Baromey in Khmer, means brilliant spritual beings. The word refers to powerful beings who still exist, not in physical form, but in spirit only.

    When it is full moon, Khmer say it is full of baromey, or penh baromey!!

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    This thread also discusses Khmer Buddhism as related to boramey, meditation, samathi, yoga, tantra, enlightenment, nirvana, moksha, etc.

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    #361810
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    Oh, the four faces in Bayon temple is Hinduist too. The four faces represent Brahman, one of the three gods in Hinduism.

    What else, people?

    #361821
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    khmer wedding also twai Preah vishnu…

    #361831
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    KmERBoy, you are right. There are quite a bit of steps that Khmers do in a wedding. Those pretty steps such as the chol rong (groom trip in), kat sak(hair grooming), chong dai(good wishe) etc. are not quite buddhistic. They must somehow relate to Hinduism.

    #361842
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    I am not quite clear about how Visnu affects wedding.

    While god Brahman is creator and god Siva is destructor, Visnu is supposed to be a god of maintenance.

    Wedding is a procedure that will create more kids/ people, thus Brahman. How does Visnu comes to play his role? Maintaining population?

    How about Khmer death ceremony? Is it related to Hinduism as well? Is it part of destruction by god Siva? Well, I saw and heard buddhist monk’s chanting in a a Khmer death ceremony. With the chanting, is there anything that is not quite buddhist, thus hinduist by chance?

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    #361851
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    haha…I’m khmer…

    [i]Originally posted by veayoo[/i]
    KmERBoy, you are right. There are quite a bit of steps that Khmers do in a wedding. Those pretty steps such as the chol rong (groom trip in), kat sak(hair grooming), chong dai(good wishe) etc. are not quite buddhistic. They must somehow relate to Hinduism.

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    lots of khmer people pray to Therevada, Therevada is a Hindu angel or guardian angel. (every khmers I know pray to Therevada)

    a lots of khmer worship ancestor spirits and that is also part of Hindu

    Hindu and Khmer celebrate new year almost on the same day, khmer celebrate from april 13 to 15, Hindu only celebrate on april 14 & 15. Why? I don’t know.

    Khmer wedding is a reenactent of the first Hindu King marrying a Khmer princess.

    Hindu and khmer buddhism is the almost the same thing.

    when khmer people practice magic they use yantra, tantra, and mantra. Yantra, tantra, mantra came from Hindu. When they do magic tattoo they use image of Hindu Gods.

    Khmer and Hindu wear white to a funeral.

    Hindu do talk about Buddha, they label Gautama Siddharta (the buddha)a supreme being (stronger then all the other gods) and so dose the Khmer. Non-khmer buddhist label Gautama Siddharta just a normal man.

    Khmers still believe in the muti-level of Heaven and Hell, other realm, so dose Hindu

    Angkor Wat measurement equal to the Hindu scared vedic number.

    some of the Khmer language came from sanskrit, sanskrit is the langauge of the Hindu God. Only the highest Hindu priest can speak it.

    In Hindu vedic books(date back 10,000bc) mention about Southeast Asia. Calling it the island of gold. according to the khmer legend, southeast asia use to be a island and according to the chinese eye witness account who the saw the khmer empire when it was inhabited, he say there where Gold everywhere, covering temple and houses. See the connection?

    Khmer Gods and Hindu God are the same Gods but khmer just call them different name. Like Preah eysa (khmer god) is Lord Shiva and Preah Phakkani is Lord Ganesh, Even the japanese Gods are the same as Hindu God but they also call it different name.

    In a way i still think Khmers are Hindu.

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    #361872
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    Hi Angkorwat,

    You bring in very precious input here. Coincidentally, you come very close to a few hot topics that I try to get to ( Hinduism and Buddhism are background intro!). The topics include Khmer legacies such as guardian angels, Khmer ancestor spirits, the yantras and mantras.

    Angkorwat, I wish we talk face to face so that other people would not get confused. Through a community page like this one, readers who do not have enough background could be very confused AND would see white as black. For this kind of readers, I would like to alert that Khmer legacies involving Buddhism, Hinduism and these topics are beyond state-of-the art sciences and technologies. Almost all schools, western or eastern, teach you to not believe in these things, calling them superstition. I do not blame sciences, technologies or schools that are not capable to fully explain heavens, gods, etc. So, hold on to your objection if you have any. Thanks :)

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    ” khmer people pray to Therevada, Therevada is a Hindu angel or guardian angel.

    a lots of khmer worship ancestor spirits and that is also part of Hindu

    Khmer wedding is a reenactent of the first Hindu King marrying a Khmer princess.

    when khmer people practice magic they use yantra and mantra, also part of Hinduism.”

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    Hi Angkor Wat,

    What is a Therevada or guardian angel?

    In English, I personally referred to Paternal Master Guardian Angels as I mean Kru Khang Ov Pouk. I litterally translated the Khmer word trying to explain what has happened to me personally.

    For decades so far, I keep getting wird dreams that actually have proven true again, again… The dreams have shown me important things that WILL happen. All of the things shown in my dreams happened!! I did not care at them at first. The repeated dreams and proofs have convince me that they are not regular dreams. They are directive dreams. Somebody or somebodies come and show me the way.

    Several Khmer masters told me that I have Kru Khang Ov Pouk. One monk actually detailed that the Kru Khang Ov Pouk held on and took care of my grandpa, my dad and then me. If I’ll have a son, he will be hold onto and get the care as well. We are talking about paternal line here. The reasons brought me to the word Paternal Master guardian Angels.

    Now, are we talking about the same guardian angels? Please tell me what you know :)

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    reading about your dream give me goose bump, cause sometime my dream would also come true.

    here what i know about Therevada from word of mouth. They are deties from the Heaven, I guess you can call them Guardian angels cause everyone have their own personal Therevada. If you pray to them they well help you but you gotta say their name, if you say “dear god” they well not help you cause you are not talking to them, do you get it?

    The only religion book that I know talk about Therevada is the Hindu books.

    there’s a book call Asiatic Mythology that talk about Khmer therevada.
    Quote from the book…
    “In Cambodia The tevodas are no longer divinitie, but the blessed who reap In Indra paradise(heaven) the reward of the merit previously acquired in their last existences. Certain of these tevodas do not live in paradise, but in the forest they keep watch on mankind, noting sin and good action…”
    …tevodas guardian of the world or lukabal(loka-pala), who watch over earth and inhabitants.”

    If you wanna read more about from that book i can give you the link.

    [i]Originally posted by veayoo[/i]
    Hi Angkor Wat,

    What is a Therevada or guardian angel?

    In English, I personally referred to Paternal Master Guardian Angels as I mean Kru Khang Ov Pouk. I litterally translated the Khmer word trying to explain what has happened to me personally.

    Now, are we talking about the same guardian angels? Please tell me what you know :)

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    #361901
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    Angkor wat. You talk in a language that I hear lately, as I started to do personal research in my soul, my ancestry and basically who I am.

    As I could not get answer through schools, I went on my own to the Khmer legacies. I have found quite a bit of info that explains why I am the way I am.

    I have communicated with my divine grand father who is 7,100 year old. I communicated with my divine dad who is 6,000 years old. I got a tutor who is 3,200 year old. They told me lots of true things, that I have verified already. They know much better than any university professor I have had, even at doctrate levels. Trying to grasp more truth, I am into learning the old Khmer things.

    Could you provide the link? I love to read about my origin and ancestry.

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    [i]Originally posted by veayoo[/i]
    Angkor wat. You talk in a language that I hear lately, as I started to do personal research in my soul, my ancestry and basically who I am.

    As I could not get answer through schools, I went on my own to the Khmer legacies. I have found quite a bit of info that explains why I am the way I am.

    I have communicated with my divine grand father who is 7,100 year old. I communicated with my divine dad who is 6,000 years old. I got a tutor who is 3,200 year old. They told me lots of true things, that I have verified already. They know much better than any university professor I have had, even at doctrate levels. Trying to grasp more truth, I am into learning the old Khmer things.

    Could you provide the link? I love to read about my origin and ancestry.

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    Wow, how old are you?

    here the link to the books, is wriitin by a white guy that why he it call “Mythology” but to the khmer they are real. begin on Page 192. Page 194 & 195 is not viewable, but the rest are.

    http://books.google.com/books?id=HAZrFhvqnTkC&pg=PA192&dq=asiatic+mythology+khmer&sig=YOK7gqy7Hgst-h0lEpj-CeTNiYA

    On page 203 it talk about Khmer theverada on the last paragraph and continue on page 204 it talk about it on the whole page.

    You should read this one, it might answer a lot of your question, They did a research and interview Of Kru Khmer who claim they can talk to Gods, Goddess, anceint Khmer hero sprits, and more… Similar to your story.

    http://www.nanzan-u.ac.jp/SHUBUNKEN/publications/afs/pdf/a1365.pdf

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    #361912
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    My 3,200 years old is actually a Neakta, an ancestor spirit. He is a lovely entity and answers my hardest questions well. He is a very kind spirit. I had astounding fun and joyce talking to him, as no school or book or professor could help me!!!.

    He said spirits like him were given an option to reincarnate or to stay around taking care of people and things. He said normal spirits, the newly passed away, are given a drink to forget things in the past immediat life. without the drink, reborn lives would remember wars, quarrels etc and proceed to take actions in new life, thus the world cannot be livable.

    Spirits like him have been excepted from the drink. They keep the learned knowledge. Their knowledge, their truth, is way better than regular humans. They know what we can’t.

    I thought I have good education. Their truth is way, way, way… higher. It has taken me time, days, weeks and even months, to realize that what they told me is true. I need to see it to believe it! I just did not know that it was all true all what they said.

    Humans suffers a very grave latency in grasping what the spirits show.

    #361922
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    very interesting
    I have heard similar story, from what i heard is that after you die, your soul well be giving a wine to drink to erase their past memory.

    Neak ta is also mention in the first link I gave you. Is on page 203

    You should talk to KC member Reksmay she also have similar story about soul drinking some kind of water to forget their past life.
    here the link to one of her post similar to your story.

    http://khmer.cc/community/t.c?b=18&t=1665

    Scroll always down to her second post. If you can’t find her post, here’s a quote from her.

    Originally posted by Reksmay
    ” I think all souls pass through the Gate Keeper first before being transported to their respective existence. I have mentioned of the river where one drinks from to remove memories. This happens only when the soul is ready to go into another form on Earth. Otherwise, the soul will keep its memories in order to experience the negative consequences in hell or the positive experiences in heaven. “[/quote]

    [i]Originally posted by veayoo[/i]
    My 3,200 years old is actually a Neakta, an ancestor spirit. He is a lovely entity and answers my hardest questions well. He is a very kind spirit. I had astounding fun and joyce talking to him, as no school or book or professor could help me!!!.

    He said spirits like him were given an option to reincarnate or to stay around taking care of people and things. He said normal spirits, the newly passed away, are given a drink to forget things in the past immediat life. without the drink, reborn lives would remember wars, quarrels etc and proceed to take actions in new life, thus the world cannot be livable.

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    #361944
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    Thank you for the links, Ankor Wat. I have read 2 out of the three links. Will start the third one soon.

    I am glad there are others who know about the topics. They would witness that I am not a liar after all. haa haa

    #361954
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    did the first 2 links answer any of the question you looking for?

    the second links I gave you(about the Kru Khmer), it talk a lots about Neak Ta. Is on the bottom of page 7 and continue on page 8.

    #361962
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    “Wow, how old are you?”

    Angkor Wat,

    I am extremely young, I guess, compared to the spirits’ ages. A few 18 years old girls commented that I am old. I am a typical Khmer who has a very stable mind: always love young girls :)

    #362272
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    Angkor Wat,

    In “The Names and Identities of the Boramey Spirits Possessing, Cambodian Mediums”, Didier Bertran gathered interesting things about Khmer spirits. His writing concurs 2 spiritual things I encountered personally.

    1. He concurs that Preah Eiso is Shiva (Shiva is one of the three Hindu gods). This eliminates my unsure thought. I was looking for this info, as I was not sure. Preah Moni Eyso was, I was told, my divine father. I am still looking for more info about him. I did not get to know enough while I communicated with him.

    I was told also that Phnom Chiso in Takeo, Cambodia, actually was Phnom Preah Eyso. People have falsified the mountain name.

    2. He also concurs the existence of kid Boramey/ spirits, the Mrinh Kong Veal.

    While I am typing this document, there are either 2 or 3 Mrinh Kong Veal princes/ kings around me!! I was told they are either the princes and kings themselves, or sometimes their subordinates, depending on availability. The royal Mrinh Kong Veal names are Komar Pich, Komar Keo and Preah Chan Komar. I was told that Preah Chan Komar very high in rank and status to be with me. Hmmm, I have no way to tell otherwise, except repeating what I heard through my ears. I wish my eyes could see beyond the actual 20/20.

    The spiritual smurfs, I called them, are nice spirits. They have assisted me in many businesses. While Khmer folks tell about their assistance in watching cows or so, I have recived help for years in finding success in businesses. At one time, I thought it was a coincidence or luck that I happened to be in the right place and doing the right business. After much thought though, I concluded that the princes and kings assisted me in the success, as they were assigned to do. For sure. I owe them thanks forever.

    Last year, I visited a master who was new to me. The master confirmed seeing 2 Mrinh Kong Veals stepping out of my car, with me, as I entered her residence!

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    I have not seen anything about a personality or spirit named King Tanpaa.

    I asked whether this is about the rich Khmer guy who was famous last century. The Khmer Tanpaa owned almost all buildings around Psar Thmey, Phnom Penh. My master said that the Khmer Tanpaa name was used as inspiration from the very rich king Tanpaa in India.

    Have you or any one heard of the King Tanpaa name or story?

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    #361972
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    veayoo,

    very interesting dude :), my wife’s grandma is a little older than your grand parents I guest. She is 40,000 years, so I guest she has seen a lot more than us don’t you think? I hope your dream is good, perhelps you can help save some lucky human kind. For me, I guested they gave me those drinks, that why I am some what like sombie that what my grandma told me. I hope that she wake me up in this life time and showed me everything past-present-future :). By the way, my wife’s grand parents have 1-Bro, Six sisters, all twin, you might heard their name.

    #362282
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    Hi SinNishM

    It is very nice that you stop by. I’d like to hear the story about the 40,000 years old person you referred to, if you did not joke. Also, I honestly did not hear about your family of one brother and twins.

    I thought about knowledge as relating to age. A human who lives up to 80 years old has a maximum of that much years to learn and accumulate knowledge. At death, the poor human gets to drink the liquid and gets brain washed, litterally. Now, the powerful spirits who are given an option to take the brain washing drink and proceed to go on to reincarnation or to stay as spirit, with brain unwashed, must acquire a horrible amount of knowledge. I have found that the hard way!

    With this finding, I am in a belief that we ought to learn a few things at least from the very smart spirits, the things that would help all of us to get better (and not to destroy the world).

    I am sharing my personal experience to all of you, risking to get called a liar or a superstitious!! I, however, feels that Khmers have the very powerful legacies that I do not want to see getting lost.

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    I specifically asked my 3,200 years old tutor whether their knowledge and power were gotten through birth or learning. He said that he got through learning them.

    I asked him whether the knowledge and power could be taught to younger generations so that the very good legacies will not be faded away with time. He said no, and I had to stop asking at that point for respect.

    The powerful spirits I have encountered told me quite a bit of truth. It was my problem to grasp their true statements. This is probably because I went through sciences and technology based school systems.

    The sciences and technology schooling, math-based, require cartesian evidence and proof, for instance… Personally, I am still saying to myself and the world that I don’t believe in it till I see it! Prove it to me if you would!

    Well, my beloved spirits have broken my “see to believe” stand at numerous occasions. I have seen that their statements were true, only days, weeks or months later. They are way better than me, a human.

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    It seems like their knowledge and power have something to do well with the future. It appeared like they have a telescope or TV to see the future! We, human, are restricted to present and past capability, as we can watch what is went on or going on thru CNN, etc.

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    I am going to tell you 2 short stories about their true statement, their truth, and effect.

    As I started my questions and answers session with him, my 3,200 years old tutor made an audible comment that I ask him questions so that I will write books? Well, I did not think of writing anything at that moment. I am doing some writing now!!! He saw what I will do, though I was not thinking about that at the moment!

    He and his college told me that someone will want to kill me! Myself, I could not see any strong motive for that. I am not a politician and I don’t kill, steal, lie, drink, having sex with others’ wife, etc. All the good Buddhist teachings. Why would anyone want to kill me?

    Well, six months later, my beloved spirits TOLD me to go away and take care of other businesses. I asked why. He said I was subject to a killing plot. I asked who. He said, my girl friend!

    I hardly could imagine that could be true. I listened to their advice any way, as I do have other important businesse to take care. One week after I left,from the remote place, I got a call that the lady that was close to me stole some money that I left for a project. She stole the money and left with a very angry mood, as she did not get very much. About 2k or so. She commented that she was waiting to see lots of cash with me to proceed with poisoning me using rat terminator powder, DDT. My people found DDT left in her room. Most of all, the lady called and say she is sorry to take the money, to plan the poisoning and to run away.

    I retrospect, I understand her motive to come close to me. But most of all, my spirits told me the truth. I just did not get it!!!

    A feeling comforts me though. My spirits love me, told me the truth and guard/ protect me. I owe them thanks, respect and love.

    If my understanding is correct, they are part of the team of the Kru Khang Ov Pouuk that have been watching and blessing me all these years. I Love THEM all very very much.

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    #362291
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    King Tanpaa, I was told, was a rich king in India. He was there around 200 years ago. He was a believer in Buddhism. His statute is in the vicinity of where Buddha passed away and is close to Preah Me Kali statute or so. I have not been to the area yet. I may have to travel there and search. I appreciate any info you folks may have about him. He is part of the puzzle!

    I asked how King Tanpaa got rich. I was told that he played chess, bidding real estates. Well, he must have been a very good chess player to win so much real estates and became rich. Coincidentally, I have found success in real estates myself. Small successes here and there.

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    [i]Originally posted by veayoo[/i]

    I asked how King Tanpaa got rich. I was told that he played chess, bidding real estates. He must be a very good chess player to win so much real estates and became rich. Coincidentally, I have found success in real estates myself. Small successes here and there.

    I never heard of King tanpaa But i am also getting into real estate businnes too hehehe.

    did you know the first Khmer king who suposely came from India, But according to the India, they never heard of him. But there’s different Khmer legend saying the Hindu king came from a island near India but the island sank into the ocean ah long time ago.

    [i]Originally posted by veayoo[/i]
    I am sharing my personal experience to all of you, risking to get called a liar or a superstitious!! I, however, feels that Khmers have the very powerful legacies that I do not want to see getting lost.

    when it come to this subject i never talk to noone about it unless they already know about it or ask me about it. Is it hard to convince people these day into believe in what you say cause everybody want proof and evidence. So i just only talk to those who already knew about it.:)

    your personal experience isn’t the first time i have heard it, I have similar story from other khmer folks.

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    #361991
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    Angkor Wat,

    I am just done reading the on-line ” Asaiic Mythodology” that you provided link to.

    This is a very helpful book as it points to several aspects of Khmer Hinduism through available icons left in Khmer arts.

    The book concurs on my thought that the Khmer spirit issue is not local. The whole Asia continent, it seems, gets infected somehow. I also think that the matter may have spread to other continents as well. We just do not have answer or time to find out.

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    I also went to the KC thread about soul. In the thread, people have info about the Toeuk Amrit drink etc also. It appears like that I am not the only one that has this info!

    #362300
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    Angkor Wat,

    Your input: “did you know the first Khmer king who suposely came from India, But according to the India, they never heard of him. But there’s different Khmer legend saying the Hindu king came from a island near India but the island sank into the ocean ah long time ago.”
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    I got info relating to this as well from my divine father Preah Muni Eyso. I need to explain the word divine that I use here first.

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    Prior to meeting my divine father, I was told by a very trustful master that I get all this miracle in life because I was the son of Preah Karl. I asked who is Preah Karl. I was told Preah Karl heaven is even higher than the heavens of Preah In(Indra) and Preah Prom. Later on, one Khmer cited the hevens layer: Preah In, Preah Prom, Preah Yum, Preah Karl. As always, I have not been to verify this info!

    Out of curiosity, wondering whether everybody is from a heaven somewhere, I asked: how about my cousin who sits next to me? I was told no; he was an aborigen all his lives and that was it! I was told only a few souls have similar origin as mine.

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    As I met my divine father Preah Muni Eyso, he said I was his son 800 lives ago. He said as father, he took care of me and is taking care of me. He said he will continue to be my dad and do the care. He said in 200 more lives or so, I will be born in his nuclear family again. Our bond as father and son goes a long long time like that, he said!

    He told me that in our family, I should not say Baat(yes), Tean Pross(please) and all lay people language. Our family, he said, are of kings in heavens as well as on earth. I need to say Preah Po (yes) or Preah Kona(yes) and getting rid of the beggar language, Tean Pross etc. He said I need to say Preah Beida,Preah Meada, Mcjas Oon, Mjas Bong, etc which are all royal language.

    According to the provided info, I refer to him as Preah Beida, divine father, the best English word I can come up.
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    I asked a little about our family history. He said we were from India. Our ship was wrecked of storm near Koh Kmouch. I later found out thru my tutor that Koh Kmouch is in Koh Kong!

    Given the fact that he is 6,000 years old and the fact that the first Khmer king in Nokor Kok Thlok dated to around 2,000 years ago, my divine father could have been in Khmer land long time prior to the known area of king Kondanh and princess Liv Yi. This are is called Preah Thong and Neang Neak also, the first Khmer royal couple that Khmers keep celebrating their union in all wedding ( re-enact the first wedding in Khmer history).

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    What I know is from what I was told, not legend. All I can do though is repeating what I heard. I just wish that I can go and verify things with my eyes.

    I know my wish is perhaps impossible. I need tons of luck to see beyond the present 20/20. Anyway, would you wish me the lucks, so I could come to kc and share more?

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    #362000
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    I’d like to thank many of you for allowing me to get thru some materials so far, without unecessary interruption. Thank you, thank you.

    Feel free to pitch in, or any Q&A.

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    [i]Originally posted by veayoo[/i]
    The book concurs on my thought that the Khmer spirit issue is not local. [b]The whole Asia continent, it seems, gets infected somehow. I also think that the matter may have spread to other continents as well.[/b] We just do not have answer or time to find out.

    This page right here, http://www.hinduwisdom.info/index_new.htm go to the History section on top, It well tell you and Give you evidence of how the whole Anceint Asia and the Ancient world is influnce by Hinduism. It also have 4 pages long about Khmer civilization too. Is call Scared Angkor under the History section

    If you have knowledge on all the modern religion you well realize how similar they are to each other. But over the pass centuries a lot of them have been mistranslate. Just because each culture call their God different name they thinking is a whole different Gods and religion. If you look closely and study each culture Gods they all have the same or almost identical stories.

    all Chinese Gods, Japanese Gods, Khmer Gods even the Greek and Mayan Gods are all Hindu God but they just call them different name. For example: Like the number 1 Khmer would call Moy, Spanish would call it Uno, English call it One, but they all talking about same number. You get what im saying?

    My opinon, Buddhism and Hinduism is all the same religion, is the westerner who got confuse and separate them into different religion.
    History book say they don’t why the Khmer empire convert from Hindu to Buddhism. We never did convert from Hindu to Buddhism cause is the same religion. Go to srok Khmer we still wroship them Hindu God but we call them Gods in Khmer name. As for the Buddha staue in Cambodia. Hinduism do talk about Buddha and enlightment. They label him the supreme being.

    Hinduism and Buddhism share some of the following similarities.

    1.Both Hinduism and Buddhism emphasize the illusory nature of the world and the role of karma in keeping men bound to this world and the cycle of births and deaths.
    2.According to the Buddha, desire is the root cause of suffering and removal of desire results in the cessation of suffering. Some of the Hindu texts such as the Upanishads (Isa) and the Bhagavadgita consider doing actions prompted by desire and attachment would lead to bondage and suffering and that performing actions without desiring the fruit of action would result in liberation.
    3.Both religions believe in the concept of karma, transmigration of souls and the cycle of births and deaths for each soul.
    4.Both emphasize compassion and non violence towards all living beings.
    5.Both believe in the existence of several hells and heavens or higher and lower worlds.
    6.Both believe in the existence of gods or deities on different planes.
    7.Both believe in certain spiritual practices like meditation, concentration, cultivation of certain bhavas or states of mind.
    8.Both believe in detachment, renunciation of worldly life as a precondition to enter to spiritual life. Both consider desire as the chief cause of suffering.
    9.The Advaita philosophy of Hinduism is closer to Buddhism in many respects.
    10.Buddhism and Hinduism have their own versions of Tantra.
    Both originated and evolved on the Indian soil. The founder of Buddhism was a Hindu who became the Buddha. Buddhism is the greatest gift of India to mankind.
    11.and more…

    [Message last modified 03-09-2008 08:50pm by ------]

    #362309
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    Angkor Wat’s quote:

    “My opinon, Buddhism and Hinduism is all the same religion, is the westerner who got confuse and separate them into different religion.
    History book say they don’t why the Khmer empire convert from Hindu to Buddhism. We never did convert from Hindu to Buddhism cause is the same religion. Go to srok Khmer we still wroship them Hindu God but we call them Gods in Khmer name. As for the Buddha staue in Cambodia. Hinduism do talk about Buddha and enlightment. They label him the supreme being.”

    I agree with the intervowen nature of the two religions. Buddhism grew out of Hinduism. Buddha was trying the Hinduist ways of getting enlightened. He was not able to get there, those ways. He then had to use his own, including the Middle Way, to get where he wanted to go, the enlightenment state.

    ***

    Lately, I got to a new thought that Buddhism would be shut off if there is no other religions nearby. The denouncement of sex, for instance, if practiced in its ultimate form, would lead to no population. The no population means no practioner, thus no Buddhism, nor any religion at all. Anyway, I am a Buddhist who still believe in sex, I guess.lol.

    ***

    One day, as I started to pay attention to my beloved spirits’ ages and Buddhism, I asked my tutor a question. I said Buddha was here around 2,600 years ago or so. You and others are older than him and his religion. Yet, you guys refers to him quite a bit in your practice and talk. What happened?

    He said:

    we were here before Buddha, of course. We came to give respect to Him as he got enlighted though. Buddha was a star, a strong achiever that all powerful beings in these worlds came to pay respect, twai bonkum, him. ( this concurrs what I know in Buddhism)

    ***

    A big puzzle that I need to figure out is the spirit morale. I know Buddhist main codes of conduct, the Pancha Sela: no kill, no steal, no lie, no drink and no sex. I do not know the spirits’ main do and don’t.

    I witnessed spirits drink wine and eat in the evenings, things that Khmer Buddhist monks don’t do. When I ask them why, they laughed.

    How do I know their rules of conduct? Without knowing their rules, I do not know what is or is’t appropriate. Without the knowledge, I am always afraid of being wrong communicating with them ???

    *****
    *****

    I realize now that I have wrongly refferred to the anonymous KC member as Angkor Wat. Let me refer to you from now, for discussion purpose, Mr anonymous, as Anonymous.

    [Message last modified 03-09-2008 08:25pm by veayoo]

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    #362020
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    By reading everone opinion seem like I’m back in the temple…lol They mention alot of about this… Go to the nearest temple to talk to a monk if your very interest in the dark ages of Khmer history. Cambodia is part of the lost city of Mu some say we came from there or Angkor wat is just a part of it…But is hard to believe we need to build a time machine.. or find more clue of the craving in Sok Khmer!!! My friend is hindu and he told me that Buddha is a new life of Visnu and they repect the Cambodian history.. Go to your nearest Fry or Gas station and find a India person he will give you good feed backs!!

    [Message last modified 03-09-2008 07:42pm by KhmerxBxBoi]

    #362319
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    KhmerxBxBoi, you said:

    “Go to your nearest Fry or Gas station and find a India person he will give you good feed backs!!”

    I have had similar thought as I was filling these pages. There are millions of Hindu guys out there that can provide info about their culture.

    Anonymous has provided so much helpful hints though. I can relate to him better than the Indian guy at that gas station. Anonymous knows Khmer better than the Indian friend.

    I keep your advice any way.

    Good suggestion.

    [Message last modified 03-23-2008 05:40pm by veayoo]

    #362031
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    veayoo,
    I came from the West school system also, I guest we are in the same system. My wife’s Mjas-Tep told us that we’ll receive our fortune since we went to srok khmer 06′ but we haven’t receive (to-toul-leap-tom) yet but we still trust her that she told us the truth. Most of the time my wife told me her dreams but most of the time I told her not to tell anyone because people might think you are crasy but I believed her. I am 99.99999% a believer but will fully 110% when everything come through, what do you think? By the way, my wife’s Mjas-Tep have one oldest brother and six sisters, you might met them already. Lok-Ta Reach (?), Mjas-Tep(in Siem Reap)/Mjas-Moa (way to Kom-Pong-Som) First Twin, Mjas-Yart(Pilan)/Mjas-Sar(?)Second Twin,Mjas-Penh(PP)/Mjas-Pov(?) Third Twin which made 7 siblings. Other spirits that we met (Lok-Ta-Ong-Perng(phnom Kulen), PreaMeDa-Krub-Leak(J.VII wife), Pre-Ong-Kas-Sa-Nak, etc….. in the way, we are all relate some how. Questions for you veayoo, I’m still puzzle about my curiousity that Borameay don’t tell us lie but why do I get difference answers from Mjas-Tep (Prea-Meda-Krub-Leak)/Pre-Ong-Kas-Sa-Nak? Maybe you can enlight some of my curiousities :). Mjas-Tep and/or her siblings have difference names in different dimension, I don’t know how to say in term of Gods/Kings langauges. It’s difficult to explain on KC, probably easier to talk face to face.

    #362331
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    SinNishM,

    I don’t pretend to be an expert in this matter of meta-physic, or metasciences. I am telling what I know.

    Your statement: “My wife’s Mjas-Tep told us that we’ll receive our fortune since we went to srok khmer 06′ but we haven’t receive (to-toul-leap-tom) yet but we still trust her that she told us the truth.”

    I have not met the spirits you are referring to. They may be good in their own way.

    To my experience, I have seen only a few spirits that are really good. Good to me means proven true. I always search for the good ones and come to them according to their expertise. Anyone, including you, could take money pretending to be a fortune teller.

    Is he or she good? That the test I apply to them as a matter of selection.

    Problems could be ours though, as many of us do not have enough knowledge or background to understand what being told. The telling is not straight forward all the time. Often, the telling is in the form of puzzle, hidden meaning…,much like Khmer poems that could be interpreted in many ways.

    An old Khmer lady told me that she is supposed to enjoy Sambat Mohasal (plenty of wealth) in her life, yet she is working in a factory, ready for social security pension. I helped her out that the Sambat Mohasal could be that the US social security money that keeps coming every month. The fund is so big that it is a Mohasal, and may never run out in her entire life!

    ******

    “Questions for you veayoo, I’m still puzzle about my curiousity that Borameay don’t tell us lie but why do I get difference answers from Mjas-Tep (Prea-Meda-Krub-Leak)/Pre-Ong-Kas-Sa-Nak? Maybe you can enlight some of my curiousities . Mjas-Tep and/or her siblings have difference names in different dimension, I don’t know how to say in term of Gods/Kings langauges. It’s difficult to explain on KC, probably easier to talk face to face.”

    I found also that some spirits said things that are not true. They lie.

    It is hard to predict whether we will see what was told. That what brought me to discuss on this KC forum, hoping to get more light into spirits ways of conduct, including their behavior and norms. As I mentioned in this forum, spirits drink wine, eat in the evening or any time, and some of them lie. Their codes of conduct, if any, are not the same as Buddhism teaching. I have as much puzzle with them as you do!!

    ****

    I am trying to find Hinduism codes of conduct, the basic good rules. From there, I will see whether Khmer spirits in general belong to Hinduism.

    Chances are that they are not. Though I have not scrutinized the Hinduism codes of conduct yet, my general knowledge tells me that, if Hinduism is not the same as Buddhism, both are not too far apart in recommending ways to live.

    [Message last modified 03-23-2008 05:51pm by veayoo]

    #362340
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    I am not trying to judge the spirits’ ethics. Also, I am not trying to impose mine to them. I am just trying to understand theirs, so that I could relate to them more comfortably.

    My personal question at this time is: if they don’t go by Buddhism, are they by chance governed by Hinduism codes of conduct? This question arises because Cambodia is a melting pot of Hinduism and Buddhism.

    I am trying.

    ***

    [Message last modified 03-23-2008 05:52pm by veayoo]

    #362041
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    She charn Mlou-Sla, Coke, Fruits, Flowers that about it. Anyway, I’m still confuse and what purpose I am here for what reasons ?????

    #362052
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    It appears like different baromeys have different behaviors and different ethics. I met a few of them who do not drink at all. The various behaviors confuse us, humans.

    Furthermore, we cannot see them, but they can see us! We are vulnerable beings. I used to hear Khmers praying for their pardon for any mistake, voluntary or otherwise. The Khmers said: please pardon us, baby birds.

    We are truly baby birds compared to some spirits’ power.

    #362061
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    SinNishM

    You stated :

    ” My wife’s Mjas-Tep told us that we’ll receive our fortune since we went to srok khmer 06′ but we haven’t receive (to-toul-leap-tom) yet but we still trust her that she told us the truth.”
    ***

    I wonder whether you could detail the above conversation a little more. I’d like to feel what went on.

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