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    [i]Originally posted by veayoo[/i]
    The book concurs on my thought that the Khmer spirit issue is not local. [b]The whole Asia continent, it seems, gets infected somehow. I also think that the matter may have spread to other continents as well.[/b] We just do not have answer or time to find out.

    This page right here, http://www.hinduwisdom.info/index_new.htm go to the History section on top, It well tell you and Give you evidence of how the whole Anceint Asia and the Ancient world is influnce by Hinduism. It also have 4 pages long about Khmer civilization too. Is call Scared Angkor under the History section

    If you have knowledge on all the modern religion you well realize how similar they are to each other. But over the pass centuries a lot of them have been mistranslate. Just because each culture call their God different name they thinking is a whole different Gods and religion. If you look closely and study each culture Gods they all have the same or almost identical stories.

    all Chinese Gods, Japanese Gods, Khmer Gods even the Greek and Mayan Gods are all Hindu God but they just call them different name. For example: Like the number 1 Khmer would call Moy, Spanish would call it Uno, English call it One, but they all talking about same number. You get what im saying?

    My opinon, Buddhism and Hinduism is all the same religion, is the westerner who got confuse and separate them into different religion.
    History book say they don’t why the Khmer empire convert from Hindu to Buddhism. We never did convert from Hindu to Buddhism cause is the same religion. Go to srok Khmer we still wroship them Hindu God but we call them Gods in Khmer name. As for the Buddha staue in Cambodia. Hinduism do talk about Buddha and enlightment. They label him the supreme being.

    Hinduism and Buddhism share some of the following similarities.

    1.Both Hinduism and Buddhism emphasize the illusory nature of the world and the role of karma in keeping men bound to this world and the cycle of births and deaths.
    2.According to the Buddha, desire is the root cause of suffering and removal of desire results in the cessation of suffering. Some of the Hindu texts such as the Upanishads (Isa) and the Bhagavadgita consider doing actions prompted by desire and attachment would lead to bondage and suffering and that performing actions without desiring the fruit of action would result in liberation.
    3.Both religions believe in the concept of karma, transmigration of souls and the cycle of births and deaths for each soul.
    4.Both emphasize compassion and non violence towards all living beings.
    5.Both believe in the existence of several hells and heavens or higher and lower worlds.
    6.Both believe in the existence of gods or deities on different planes.
    7.Both believe in certain spiritual practices like meditation, concentration, cultivation of certain bhavas or states of mind.
    8.Both believe in detachment, renunciation of worldly life as a precondition to enter to spiritual life. Both consider desire as the chief cause of suffering.
    9.The Advaita philosophy of Hinduism is closer to Buddhism in many respects.
    10.Buddhism and Hinduism have their own versions of Tantra.
    Both originated and evolved on the Indian soil. The founder of Buddhism was a Hindu who became the Buddha. Buddhism is the greatest gift of India to mankind.
    11.and more…

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    Angkor Wat’s quote:

    “My opinon, Buddhism and Hinduism is all the same religion, is the westerner who got confuse and separate them into different religion.
    History book say they don’t why the Khmer empire convert from Hindu to Buddhism. We never did convert from Hindu to Buddhism cause is the same religion. Go to srok Khmer we still wroship them Hindu God but we call them Gods in Khmer name. As for the Buddha staue in Cambodia. Hinduism do talk about Buddha and enlightment. They label him the supreme being.”

    I agree with the intervowen nature of the two religions. Buddhism grew out of Hinduism. Buddha was trying the Hinduist ways of getting enlightened. He was not able to get there, those ways. He then had to use his own, including the Middle Way, to get where he wanted to go, the enlightenment state.

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    Lately, I got to a new thought that Buddhism would be shut off if there is no other religions nearby. The denouncement of sex, for instance, if practiced in its ultimate form, would lead to no population. The no population means no practioner, thus no Buddhism, nor any religion at all. Anyway, I am a Buddhist who still believe in sex, I guess.lol.

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    One day, as I started to pay attention to my beloved spirits’ ages and Buddhism, I asked my tutor a question. I said Buddha was here around 2,600 years ago or so. You and others are older than him and his religion. Yet, you guys refers to him quite a bit in your practice and talk. What happened?

    He said:

    we were here before Buddha, of course. We came to give respect to Him as he got enlighted though. Buddha was a star, a strong achiever that all powerful beings in these worlds came to pay respect, twai bonkum, him. ( this concurrs what I know in Buddhism)

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    A big puzzle that I need to figure out is the spirit morale. I know Buddhist main codes of conduct, the Pancha Sela: no kill, no steal, no lie, no drink and no sex. I do not know the spirits’ main do and don’t.

    I witnessed spirits drink wine and eat in the evenings, things that Khmer Buddhist monks don’t do. When I ask them why, they laughed.

    How do I know their rules of conduct? Without knowing their rules, I do not know what is or is’t appropriate. Without the knowledge, I am always afraid of being wrong communicating with them ???

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    I realize now that I have wrongly refferred to the anonymous KC member as Angkor Wat. Let me refer to you from now, for discussion purpose, Mr anonymous, as Anonymous.

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    By reading everone opinion seem like I’m back in the temple…lol They mention alot of about this… Go to the nearest temple to talk to a monk if your very interest in the dark ages of Khmer history. Cambodia is part of the lost city of Mu some say we came from there or Angkor wat is just a part of it…But is hard to believe we need to build a time machine.. or find more clue of the craving in Sok Khmer!!! My friend is hindu and he told me that Buddha is a new life of Visnu and they repect the Cambodian history.. Go to your nearest Fry or Gas station and find a India person he will give you good feed backs!!

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    KhmerxBxBoi, you said:

    “Go to your nearest Fry or Gas station and find a India person he will give you good feed backs!!”

    I have had similar thought as I was filling these pages. There are millions of Hindu guys out there that can provide info about their culture.

    Anonymous has provided so much helpful hints though. I can relate to him better than the Indian guy at that gas station. Anonymous knows Khmer better than the Indian friend.

    I keep your advice any way.

    Good suggestion.

    [Message last modified 03-23-2008 05:40pm by veayoo]

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    veayoo,
    I came from the West school system also, I guest we are in the same system. My wife’s Mjas-Tep told us that we’ll receive our fortune since we went to srok khmer 06′ but we haven’t receive (to-toul-leap-tom) yet but we still trust her that she told us the truth. Most of the time my wife told me her dreams but most of the time I told her not to tell anyone because people might think you are crasy but I believed her. I am 99.99999% a believer but will fully 110% when everything come through, what do you think? By the way, my wife’s Mjas-Tep have one oldest brother and six sisters, you might met them already. Lok-Ta Reach (?), Mjas-Tep(in Siem Reap)/Mjas-Moa (way to Kom-Pong-Som) First Twin, Mjas-Yart(Pilan)/Mjas-Sar(?)Second Twin,Mjas-Penh(PP)/Mjas-Pov(?) Third Twin which made 7 siblings. Other spirits that we met (Lok-Ta-Ong-Perng(phnom Kulen), PreaMeDa-Krub-Leak(J.VII wife), Pre-Ong-Kas-Sa-Nak, etc….. in the way, we are all relate some how. Questions for you veayoo, I’m still puzzle about my curiousity that Borameay don’t tell us lie but why do I get difference answers from Mjas-Tep (Prea-Meda-Krub-Leak)/Pre-Ong-Kas-Sa-Nak? Maybe you can enlight some of my curiousities :). Mjas-Tep and/or her siblings have difference names in different dimension, I don’t know how to say in term of Gods/Kings langauges. It’s difficult to explain on KC, probably easier to talk face to face.

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    SinNishM,

    I don’t pretend to be an expert in this matter of meta-physic, or metasciences. I am telling what I know.

    Your statement: “My wife’s Mjas-Tep told us that we’ll receive our fortune since we went to srok khmer 06′ but we haven’t receive (to-toul-leap-tom) yet but we still trust her that she told us the truth.”

    I have not met the spirits you are referring to. They may be good in their own way.

    To my experience, I have seen only a few spirits that are really good. Good to me means proven true. I always search for the good ones and come to them according to their expertise. Anyone, including you, could take money pretending to be a fortune teller.

    Is he or she good? That the test I apply to them as a matter of selection.

    Problems could be ours though, as many of us do not have enough knowledge or background to understand what being told. The telling is not straight forward all the time. Often, the telling is in the form of puzzle, hidden meaning…,much like Khmer poems that could be interpreted in many ways.

    An old Khmer lady told me that she is supposed to enjoy Sambat Mohasal (plenty of wealth) in her life, yet she is working in a factory, ready for social security pension. I helped her out that the Sambat Mohasal could be that the US social security money that keeps coming every month. The fund is so big that it is a Mohasal, and may never run out in her entire life!

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    “Questions for you veayoo, I’m still puzzle about my curiousity that Borameay don’t tell us lie but why do I get difference answers from Mjas-Tep (Prea-Meda-Krub-Leak)/Pre-Ong-Kas-Sa-Nak? Maybe you can enlight some of my curiousities . Mjas-Tep and/or her siblings have difference names in different dimension, I don’t know how to say in term of Gods/Kings langauges. It’s difficult to explain on KC, probably easier to talk face to face.”

    I found also that some spirits said things that are not true. They lie.

    It is hard to predict whether we will see what was told. That what brought me to discuss on this KC forum, hoping to get more light into spirits ways of conduct, including their behavior and norms. As I mentioned in this forum, spirits drink wine, eat in the evening or any time, and some of them lie. Their codes of conduct, if any, are not the same as Buddhism teaching. I have as much puzzle with them as you do!!

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    I am trying to find Hinduism codes of conduct, the basic good rules. From there, I will see whether Khmer spirits in general belong to Hinduism.

    Chances are that they are not. Though I have not scrutinized the Hinduism codes of conduct yet, my general knowledge tells me that, if Hinduism is not the same as Buddhism, both are not too far apart in recommending ways to live.

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    I am not trying to judge the spirits’ ethics. Also, I am not trying to impose mine to them. I am just trying to understand theirs, so that I could relate to them more comfortably.

    My personal question at this time is: if they don’t go by Buddhism, are they by chance governed by Hinduism codes of conduct? This question arises because Cambodia is a melting pot of Hinduism and Buddhism.

    I am trying.

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    She charn Mlou-Sla, Coke, Fruits, Flowers that about it. Anyway, I’m still confuse and what purpose I am here for what reasons ?????

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    It appears like different baromeys have different behaviors and different ethics. I met a few of them who do not drink at all. The various behaviors confuse us, humans.

    Furthermore, we cannot see them, but they can see us! We are vulnerable beings. I used to hear Khmers praying for their pardon for any mistake, voluntary or otherwise. The Khmers said: please pardon us, baby birds.

    We are truly baby birds compared to some spirits’ power.

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    SinNishM

    You stated :

    ” My wife’s Mjas-Tep told us that we’ll receive our fortune since we went to srok khmer 06′ but we haven’t receive (to-toul-leap-tom) yet but we still trust her that she told us the truth.”
    ***

    I wonder whether you could detail the above conversation a little more. I’d like to feel what went on.

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    [i]Originally posted by veayoo[/i]
    It appears like different baromeys have different behaviors and different ethics. I met a few of them who do not drink at all. The various behaviors confuse us, humans.

    Furthermore, we cannot see them, but they can see us! We are vulnerable beings. I used to hear Khmers praying for their pardon for any mistake, voluntary or otherwise. The Khmers said: please pardon us, baby birds.

    We are truly baby birds compared to some spirits’ power.

    I might have a answer for that. The Buddha talk about different Realm or Plane, The Human Realm(Our Realm) is the only realm that is hard to gain “Supernatural Power” that why only lil bit of people have it. Yes Supernatural Power are real!
    Spiritual Realm, Heaven Realm, Demon realm and other realm is it really easy to gain Supernatural Power. That why spirit, ghosts, demon have special power. Have you ever watch Discovery Channel documentary call the Haunting? you’ll be amazed on what kinda special power these ghosts or sprits have.

    Since spirit can easily gain “power” in their realm they can use it to come into our realm anytime they want. You get what Im saying? Now in the Ghost realm is really cold, so whenever a ghosts wanna come to the Human realm, the room started to get cold. that why everytime u hear someone say they saw a ghost they alway say the room temperature drop to cold temperature.

    The good things about human realm is that our realm is the only realm that a person can reach Enlightment. No other realm can’t, that what so special about our realm and it have Prositive and Negative engery. Heaven realm only have prositive energy and hell, ghost, demon, only have negative engery.

    The Buddha talk about all different kind of Supernatural powers.

    If you wanna read more about it i have a link :)

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    Hi Anonymous ( I called you Angkor Wat by mistatke)

    “The Buddha talk about all different kind of Supernatural powers.

    If you wanna read more about it i have a link”

    As always, I’ll read it, hoping the link has something to do with spirits, powers and the like.

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    ” My wife’s Mjas-Tep told us that we’ll receive our fortune since we went to srok khmer 06′ but we haven’t receive (to-toul-leap-tom) yet but we still trust her that she told us the truth.”
    ***

    Regarding to these comments, I think she’s talking in MIL/BIL/TRI, I just don’t know yet :)…..
    From my wife point of view, she’s have seen the future already in her dream, it’s a matter of time that verything come through. She have special gifts (boun) somewhat like you that can see past-present-future sometimes.

    For me, Mjas-Tep told me that I was KINGS six times, the last famous king in srok khmer, the seven time now as regular person, but I did not ask her all the details. I met with Prea-Meda-Krup-Leak last year in srok khmer. What do you think Veo?

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    Hi Anonymous,

    I will read the link and provide feedback.

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    Anonymous,

    The last link is an interesting Chinese buddhist page. It does not say much about spirit or boramey matter. Thanks, any way.

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    SiNishM,

    Your reply:

    “Regarding to these comments, I think she’s talking in MIL/BIL/TRI, I just don’t know yet …..
    From my wife point of view, she’s have seen the future already in her dream, it’s a matter of time that verything come through. She have special gifts (boun) somewhat like you that can see past-present-future sometimes.”

    If this was all you got as details, you have not taken the telling seriously yet. Most people get future reading for fun only. The reading matter, if dealt with appropriately and if used right, is a powerful assistance in many endeavors.

    Next time, you could prepare yourself to ask important questions that will pertain to your inquiry. Those questions are for example:

    When will that luck happen? Date. time.
    How will it happen?
    How much exactly?
    What need to be done for that to happen?
    ???

    If the teller is good, she should be able to give answers to your questions. I have used several good tellers. I talk to them the same way I conduct executive business meetings.

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    I have researched into astrology, numerology, phychic reading, Chinese fung shui, Khmer future telling as well as spritual readings. I found that good future telling from these sources are much better than state-of-the art sciences. Sciences go by trends, up or down when it comes to predicting future. For instance, the federal reserve predicts that the economy will go up with lowering of interest rate of a quarter of a point. The good spirit telling would say that with the interest rate lowering, the economy will go up by how much and when, etc.

    A present academic displine called futurology is nothing compared to what Khmer spirit reading for instance. The reading could tell the exact numbers to come, not just trends.

    If you could go into details with the teller, you would not wonder as you do now. You would know exactly how much and when! With the details in your note, it will be easy to tell whether you have the truth in your hands. If one item is wrong, the whole telling will likely be wrong!!

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    ” For me, Mjas-Tep told me that I was KINGS six times, the last famous king in srok khmer, the seven time now as regular person, but I did not ask her all the details. I met with Prea-Meda-Krup-Leak last year in srok khmer. What do you think Veo? ”

    You have an interesting soul history, similar to mine. May be we could try together to understand what has happened to us. Also what will happen to us.

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    I did not know anything about your spirits till now. I do have a lot of fun talking to these beings. If you could tell me where to find them, I’d be happy to try my best to see them. Afterward, I will be able to discuss more intelligently. I love powerful spirits, the good ones.

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    get more details next time!
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    If this was all you got as details, you have not taken the telling seriously yet. Most people get future resding for fun only. The reading matter, if use right, is a powerful assistance in many endeavors.
    *I totally agree with u on this but I do take it serious. I been to a few fortune teller or head monk but most of their reading aren’t accurate about me except boramey can tell me the truth…..

    When will that luck happen? Date. time.
    *Supposed it should happen 2007, Feb 08′, now Mar 08′ BUT DID NOT ASKED DATE & TIME.

    How will it happen? *DIDN’T ASKED -DON’T KNOW
    How much exactly? *DON’T KNOW
    What need to be done for that to happen? WE DID WHAT SHE ASKED US, I THINK :)
    *I did asked around 20-25 questions but I think it was very general questions!

    I found that good future telling from these sources are much better than state-of-the art sciences. Sciences go by trend, up or down when it comes to predict future. Present academic displine called futurology is nothing compared to what Khmer spirit reading for instance. The reading could tell the exact numbers to come, not just trends.
    * I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU ON THIS…..

    If you could go into detail with the teller, you would not wonder as you do now. You know exactly how much and when!
    *Again totally agree with you, but mjas-tep keep changing because she want to tests more, I’m not sure what kind of tests.

    You have interesting soul history, similar to mine. May be we could try together to understand what has happened to us. Also what will happen to us.
    *Hey at least can see something in your dreams so forth :) + Me, I’m like sombie…..

    Thanks for bringing some detail questions that I should ask next time. Shoot me some more detail questions that I should be asking…..

    You mentioned future tellers is that boramey in khmer term? Anyway, I consider Mjas-Tep is borameay, her prea-neam is difference in other dimension. Her mjas roub is in srok khmer. I needs to ask her first regarding giving her number to call if that ok. I know one in Long Beach also, if you want both #s, let me know and I’m sure glad to check with them.

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    SiNishM,

    Your spirit list:

    “By the way, my wife’s Mjas-Tep have one oldest brother and six sisters, you might met them already. Lok-Ta Reach (?), Mjas-Tep(in Siem Reap)/Mjas-Moa (way to Kom-Pong-Som) First Twin, Mjas-Yart(Pilan)/Mjas-Sar(?)Second Twin,Mjas-Penh(PP)/Mjas-Pov(?) Third Twin which made 7 siblings. Other spirits that we met (Lok-Ta-Ong-Perng(phnom Kulen), PreaMeDa-Krub-Leak(J.VII wife), Pre-Ong-Kas-Sa-Nak, etc….. in the way, we are all relate some how. Questions for you veayoo, I’m still puzzle about my curiousity that Borameay don’t tell us lie but why do I get difference answers from Mjas-Tep (Prea-Meda-Krub-Leak)/Pre-Ong-Kas-Sa-Nak? Maybe you can enlight some of my curiousities . Mjas-Tep and/or her siblings have difference names in different dimension, I don’t know how to say in term of Gods/Kings langauges. It’s difficult to explain on KC, probably easier to talk face to face. ”

    I replied that the names are not familiar. As I look back though this name “Mjas-Moa (way to Kom-Pong-Som)” may be familiar.

    There is Lok Yeay Mao ( black grandma) on the way to Kg Som, at Pich Nil. If she is the Mjas-Moa you cited, I am very familiar with her. I have offered her banana and incent close to 50 times. She has enticed many business people. To me, she may have blessed as I asked. My business in that direction has been going well.

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    SinNisH,

    ” Lok-Ta Reach (?), Mjas-Tep(in Siem Reap)/Mjas-Moa (way to Kom-Pong-Som) First Twin, Mjas-Yart(Pilan)/Mjas-Sar(?)Second Twin,Mjas-Penh(PP)/Mjas-Pov(?) Third Twin which made 7 siblings. Other spirits that we met (Lok-Ta-Ong-Perng(phnom Kulen), PreaMeDa-Krub-Leak(J.VII wife), Pre-Ong-Kas-Sa-Nak, etc….. ”

    Many of these names could be familiar to me if you give me other aka for them. Better translation from Khmer to latin would help also.

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    Need to come back for Mantras ans Yantras.

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    Mantras ( Mun in Khmer) are wording that is recited by Buddhist monks and Borameys as well. Buddhist monks Sot Mun to do praying. Many Borameys, especially the best ones, Sot Mun Akum Keatha to get something done, including what we call magic.

    Buddhist monks’ muns are manly in Pali or Khmer. We hear them in many traditional ceremonies.

    Boramey’s Muns, from the very old spirits, are actually quite different. They are not in Pali language ( or I would be able to tell, at least a little). They also did not sound like Sanskrit. If they were in Sanscrit, they must be very old one, or very advanced. They are difficult to understand by myelf as well as my tutor.

    My 3,200 years old tutor is very powerful, has his name in Sanskrit and can understand it well. He could not devore what kind of Mun my 7,100 years old dad recited!

    The difficult language in Khmer Boramey muntras shows that they started to exist a long time ago.

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    In another thread, people talks about mantras used by a Khmer hero, Decho Damdin. Decho Damdin could travel underground from Srok Khmer to Thailand. He likely used his mantras to dig tunnel underground. He could make soldiers out of straws, etc.

    One of my masters, I was told, specialized in shortening travel path. 100 miles could be shortened to 10 yards for instance, so that he could just make a few steps to get there.

    Another master specialized in flying. He does not use airplane like us. He travels like night light running from one horizon to the other. Without booking a ticket first.

    Lots of things we can do with help from sciences and technologies nowsaday were done by muntras in the old days. Some of these mantras still survive in Khmer culture. Would you be curious about these magics that left from our ancestors? Do you think that it is worthwhile to find what we are left for us as inheritence? would you like to see whether you could dig a tunnel, shorten a path or fly by yourself w/o going to the airport?

    I try to dig the old legacies out as much as I can. I hope I’ll be able to report my findings another time. I’ll tell you if I ever fly or tell the future. hee hee.

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    what the different between mantra and yantra?

    mantra is scared sound and yantra is scared picture…right?

    and what about Trantra? i Know khmer practice this too

    yantra tattoo

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    Veoveoy,

    I don’t really know how to translate to latin or know their other names in difference dimension. She did say about her other name in Tarn-Lear, but I don’t remember unless I ask again and write it down. Any way, if you go to each of this city, you can find out where their sculpter is at? But to most ordinary people they might just know their name like Lok-Yearv-Phnom Penh, NOT Mjas-Penh :)

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