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  • #329926
    Avatar of Hollycow
    Hollycow
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    I did the thinking a lot. Here’s my conclusion: It’s not important, what’s important is that you believe and obey or case close.

    [i]Originally posted by khemrin[/i]
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    [i]Originally posted by Akara143[/i]
    Hey, Khmerin..yeah I got the clues, that you got your facts all wrong heehee….

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    Show me where in the bible that state Sarah was Abraham sister? and show me where in the bible stated abram(Abraham) married his own sister Sarah? you got it all wrong bro..
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    The only time Abraham mention sarah as a sister was when Abraham and his wife Sarah and all his family moved to Eygpt where they live as a foreigner…. Now Because Abraham was scared he might get kill…Because his wife sarah was a beautiful woman… Abraham was afraid the Eygptian might kill him and take his wife… So abraham told sarah to say that she was his sister… so that they wont kill him because they found interest in her.. .. here read it all about it..in Genesis chapter 12 verse 10….down the middle of the page.. abraham and sarah in eygpt…

    http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults2.php?passage1=Genesis12&book_id=1&version1=51&tp=50&c=12

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    And you said that Abram (Abraham) was fooling around with the slave girl?

    Well let me tell you how it happened… listen up…

    Ok… At that time Abraham and his wife sarah was at an old age and both of them had no children…
    One day the Lord God spoke to Abraham in a vision, saying that the Lord will bless him with great reward…. but Abraham said, whats goods are all your blessing when I have no son… but the Lord said
    to Abraham, you will have a son (with his wife sarah) who will be your heir…..

    But Sarah and Abraham couldnt wait on the Lord promised and they took matter into thier own hands…

    Now sarah had an Eygptian servant girl name Hagar ok…. one day sarah said to Abraham, since I can not have any children, why don’t you go sleep with my servant girl, perhaps I can have children through her….so Abraham agreed with sarah proposal…so sarah took her Eygptian servant girl Hagar and gave her to Abraham as a wife….so Abraham sleep with Hagar and she later became pregnant and have a son name Ishmael….

    and later Sarah became pregnant…. because The Lord promised Abraham that he and his Sarah will have a son who will be his heir…..so Sarah gave birth to a son and name him Isaac…..

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    Now because of what sarah and abraham did and couldnt wait on the lord promised..they took things into thier own hands have created a huge problem…

    Abraham is the father of Ishmael and Isaac….

    we believe that Ishmael is the father of many arab nation in the middle east like syria, Jordan, saudi arabia, palestine.. ..


    Isaan is the father of Jacob , who is Israel..

    thier fighting against each other over there…

    A long time ago when I was in the hospital, there was a lady nurse, she was an arab woman from the middle east…she like sadam hussien, she think sadam hussien was a good man…this was during the gulf war… I said to her, your grandfather Ishmael was Abraham son and Isaac was his brother…you guys are related.. and she said yes… I said why u guys fighting each others.. Jews and arab…

    ..I asked questions..I was kinda scared lol..

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    [i]Originally posted by khemrin[/i]

    LOL, you forgot the part about Abraham married his own sister, Sarah(the Issac’s line), with God’s blessing. Then Abraham was fooling around with the slave, impregnated her and got the Ismael’s line. Got the clues?

    god protect Israel? Was it god or the christian nations who pay allegiance to christian god, and try to fulfill the bible prophecy? And you are part of it. Guess who wrote the bibles?

    Well, let me give you a clue, if I were the Native Indian, and given the task to write the bible, I would write that the Native Indian are the chosen people, and if anyone dare to harm them, almighty god would curse and strike them with all his power.

    You see, this is why they split christianity into many denominations to entice more people with different taste to joint them, so that the prophecy can be fulfilled,—- to protect Israel…

    Think: Why any reasonable god would choose one group, race of people, nation to lead all other and would protect them unconditionally, regardless of what they did to his only beloved son…

    Think: why all of those who want to go to christian heaven can only go through Israeli and Jesus blood…

    Think: what if Judas did not betrayed Jesus and collaborated with the Roman to kill Jesus, would Christian be able to go heaven and be with the father…

    Who should christian thank?

    Now this is very important for christian, converts or born into one alike:


    Abraham is the father of Ishmael and Isaac….

    we believe that Ishmael is the father of many arab nation in the middle east like syria, Jordan, saudi arabia, palestine.. ..


    Isaan is the father of Jacob , who is Israel..

    thier fighting against each other over there…

    Again, some truth is given so that peace can be in the middle east, if they can bear the truth of their religion. Notice also that, by this time class, race, ethnic and nations are already divided by who they were— Egyptian or Jew etc… Just look at the two lines Ismael and Issac. The fact(based on the story):

    Both Islam and Christianity are the same Abraham’s religion—Iran and Israel. Then THINK:

    Why have they been fighting for thousands of years and would be many more thousand of more years..?

    THINK:

    What is at stake..?

    THINK:

    Why do you want to part of it..?

    THINK:

    Why did christian god take side with the Israel..?

    THINK:

    Why did they create so many denominations..?

    Then:

    Did you read the whole genesis and understand my earlier question regarding the wicket snake fiasco in garden of eden?

    [Message last modified 07-02-2010 07:50pm by khemrin][/quote]

    #329936
    Avatar of Hollycow
    Hollycow
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    Only the sasquatch believe that.

    [i]Originally posted by sasquatch[/i]
    GOD is nothing but a human invention and its ignorant.

    #329945
    Avatar of Hollycow
    Hollycow
    Participant

    Who ever have power will have the advantages.

    [i]Originally posted by Arroz[/i]
    everybody sins in their lifetime. just because you say sorry doesn’t mean you’re a good person and deserve to be in heaven. the dalai lama doesn’t follow christian’s teaching, so he doesn’t belong up there?

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    [i]Originally posted by Akara143[/i]
    Hey Legend,

    whats so funny with my line…? cause I don’t know… I dont find it funny..

    certains things God choose to reveal to us and certain things God choose not to reveal every details to us..


    Your the one who is funny.. you don’t believed in Jesus Christ.. Its gonna be funny alright when you die and next things you know is..there u stand be4 God…judegement..day..all the things that you’ve done in this life will be brought out in front of you…

    who’s gonna atone for all your sins..? yeah.. laugh now my friend..

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    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Legends[/i]

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Akara143[/i]

    I don’t know why God allowed it to be there… the bible just say it was there… and Adam and Eve disobey God…

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    I thought that was funny, thanks for the laugh :):)[/quote]

    [Message last modified 07-07-2010 01:25pm by Akara143][/quote]
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    #329955
    Avatar of Hollycow
    Hollycow
    Participant

    Akara 143,

    You are a good guy, you did what you can, be happy.

    Originally posted by Akara143
    Legend,

    [Message last modified 07-08-2010 09:25pm by Hollycow]

    #329965
    Avatar of Kaliboy
    Kaliboy
    Participant

    Your bible says that man was born in sin. So, When I was born, I was labeled a sinner by God. How could I be a sinner when the only thing I know is breathe as a baby? No newborn baby has ever broken one of the ten commandments. God is stupid for calling newborns as sinners.

    [i]Originally posted by Hollycow[/i]
    Kaliboy,

    You blamed God for your sins. You should blamed yourself. I blamed myself, not God. God never sin, therefore he is blameless. It’s that simple. Live a life free of blames but watch yourself instead of others.

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    [i]Originally posted by Kaliboy[/i]
    Hmmm okay… But I thought GOD was ever so forgiving? I thought GOD would love us enough to know we are not perfect. God knows he created something imperfect? why? To toy with us and punish us for being sinner? Its not my fault that I am a sinner, its GOD’s fault for making me a sinner.
    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Akara143[/i]
    First of all…your love is nothing compare to God’s love…. human love is not perfect…God’s love is…. the bible stated…Perfect love cast out fear..
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    what If your wife dont love you and reject you and dont want anything to do with you and want to be with another man, …wouldnt you toss her out…?
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    and thats just your wife..you didnt even create her..

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    The people who doesnt love God and reject God and dont want anything to do with him..God will say ok as you wish… they will be be far awway seperated from God in darkness…cause God is light..

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    Hell was created for the devil and his fallen angels…. but those who reject and dont want anything with God will go there too.

    People have a choice ..to be with God or seperate from God…

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Kaliboy[/i]
    I love my wife. Like God, I make her show her love for me by putting her through tests. If she fails those tests; I will throw her in a lake of fire to burn for eternity. Why? Because I love her!

    [Message last modified 07-01-2010 11:33am by Akara143]

    [Message last modified 07-01-2010 11:56am by Akara143][/quote]
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    #329975
    Avatar of Kaliboy
    Kaliboy
    Participant

    lol

    [i]Originally posted by Hollycow[/i]
    Only the sasquatch believe that.

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by sasquatch[/i]
    GOD is nothing but a human invention and its ignorant.

    [/quote]

    #329985
    Avatar of Kaliboy
    Kaliboy
    Participant

    My nephew is only 2 months old. He doesnt know anything other than drink milk and poop. According to your GOD, man was born in sin; thus, making my nephew a sinner and should go to hell unless he repents? What kind of GOD is that? I thought he was ever loving?

    [i]Originally posted by Hollycow[/i]
    Kaliboy,

    You blamed God for your sins. You should blamed yourself. I blamed myself, not God. God never sin, therefore he is blameless. It’s that simple. Live a life free of blames but watch yourself instead of others.

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Kaliboy[/i]
    Hmmm okay… But I thought GOD was ever so forgiving? I thought GOD would love us enough to know we are not perfect. God knows he created something imperfect? why? To toy with us and punish us for being sinner? Its not my fault that I am a sinner, its GOD’s fault for making me a sinner.
    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Akara143[/i]
    First of all…your love is nothing compare to God’s love…. human love is not perfect…God’s love is…. the bible stated…Perfect love cast out fear..
    —–
    what If your wife dont love you and reject you and dont want anything to do with you and want to be with another man, …wouldnt you toss her out…?
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    and thats just your wife..you didnt even create her..

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    The people who doesnt love God and reject God and dont want anything to do with him..God will say ok as you wish… they will be be far awway seperated from God in darkness…cause God is light..

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    Hell was created for the devil and his fallen angels…. but those who reject and dont want anything with God will go there too.

    People have a choice ..to be with God or seperate from God…

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Kaliboy[/i]
    I love my wife. Like God, I make her show her love for me by putting her through tests. If she fails those tests; I will throw her in a lake of fire to burn for eternity. Why? Because I love her!

    [Message last modified 07-01-2010 11:33am by Akara143]

    [Message last modified 07-01-2010 11:56am by Akara143][/quote]
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    #329995
    Avatar of kulet
    kulet
    Participant

    There are not such thing as GOD. Kaliboy your nephew born because of his Karma. He is bless to born as a human.

    Originally posted by Kaliboy
    My nephew is only 2 months old. He doesnt know anything other than drink milk and poop. According to your GOD, man was born in sin; thus, making my nephew a sinner and should go to hell unless he repents? What kind of GOD is that? I thought he was ever loving?

    #330006
    Avatar of khemrin
    khemrin
    Participant

    [i]Originally posted by Hollycow[/i]
    God is above all, he deserves our belief, love and respect. He wants people to be humble to him and respect his laws. We are not perfect but must try hard anyway. It’s a good thing to do.

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Akara143[/i]
    when God created man…there is a space inside our heart that only God can fullfilled…, without God there is an imptiness inside us human. .. Some religions out there are man made…. man needed God to worship so they made up thier own gods…some worshiping idols..even think themself as god…and stuff… man try to reach up to god.and Heaven….
    ———————-

    But The Christian God,..Jesus Christ came down from Heaven and saved us and show us how to go to Heaven….

    In the Bible chapter John 3:16 stated…

    16 “For God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. 17 God sent his Son into the world not to judge the world, but to save the world through him.”
    ———————————-

    Jesus Christ ..says ..come as you are ..repent.. I will clean you up.. .. .he will forgive your sin and wash us whhite as now….

    you see God change our heart..he changes us from the inside out…Jesus takes our heart of stone and replace it a heart of love and compassion..
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    If you only believe…

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Legends[/i]
    God created God to experience another aspect of itself.
    Man is a creation of god, god is a creation of man. They are one and the same.

    [/quote]
    [/quote]

    Which is very hard to find these days, even in their own hierarchy church.

    #330016
    Avatar of khemrin
    khemrin
    Participant

    [i]Originally posted by Hollycow[/i]
    Don’t blame God, it’s wrong. Blame ourself is more humble. Blame God is arrogant. To win is to lose, to lose is to win. Khmer says, chaan baan praas, chneaas baan chea mia. To be humble is to win. To be arrogant is to lose. Hope you understand, ok? What else can I tell you. It’s that simple formula. A+B= AB.

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by khemrin[/i]

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Akara143[/i]

    16 “For God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. 17 God sent his Son into the world not to judge the world, but to save the world through him.”
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    Lol, akara143,

    You have seemed to be obsessed with this quote. But think about it…: With all the power of an almighty God, he could have done much better than to send his only beloved son to be killed on the cross in such humiliating and horrifying way like that. Even then he would still have to kill more people once he come down once more. This is as result of repetitive failure that he committed one after another. What I said is as if what was written in the bible were to be true.

    1/ The failure in the garden of eden
    2/ Due to the unforeseeable failure from banishing Adam and Eve from the garden of eden led to mass murder of the great flood
    3/ Despite many corrections made through various punishment, the suicide mission of Jesus still needed to cleanse the world of the mess that he made earlier
    4/ When all else fail, The Revelation: Massive killing will be upon us, on judgment day. [/quote]
    [/quote]

    But about what is right and wrong, and in doing so hopefully less people will be killed, as result of this madness. Starting in the garden of Eden and it just rolled off the cliff from there(according to the fairy tale).

    So, it is not about winning or losing in religious debate. Nor would it be about the absolute truth. But merely to shed some light where darkness is pervaded by the unfortunate event happened only in the bibles, and in the mind of “The Believers”, but nowhere else. Where is this garden of eden thing, some say it is somewhere in Iraq. Then where is this boat which was built by Noah, some say it is stuck on top of the mount Arafat… And what happened to the ring of fire that God put there to prevent Adam and Eve from returning..?

    If one wants to believe whatever they want, the sun, the moon, the tree, the bush, the cow is fine with me. I am all for that, as long as it make then happy. But don’t tell me that I am going to hell because I don’t believe in the fairy tale cooked up to serve their national interest, or to save their race. I refuse to be part of such absurdity. And don’t include me that Adam and Eve were my greatest parents. It gives such a strong repulsion that I want to vomit. I don’t want to be part of multiplication based on incestuous line of lies.

    #330026
    Avatar of Diamond2
    Diamond2
    Participant

    Jesus Saves. Buddhs does incremental backups.

    #330036
    Avatar of Diamond2
    Diamond2
    Participant
    #330046
    Avatar of Hollycow
    Hollycow
    Participant

    Kaliboy,

    God never sin. Human sinned. Our human father father sinned, failed, betryed God, got condemned. God win . Human lose. I lose. I surrendered. Game over. Conflicts freed.

    [i]Originally posted by Kaliboy[/i]
    Your bible says that man was born in sin. So, When I was born, I was labeled a sinner by God. How could I be a sinner when the only thing I know is breathe as a baby? No newborn baby has ever broken one of the ten commandments. God is stupid for calling newborns as sinners.
    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Hollycow[/i]
    Kaliboy,

    You blamed God for your sins. You should blamed yourself. I blamed myself, not God. God never sin, therefore he is blameless. It’s that simple. Live a life free of blames but watch yourself instead of others.

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Kaliboy[/i]
    Hmmm okay… But I thought GOD was ever so forgiving? I thought GOD would love us enough to know we are not perfect. God knows he created something imperfect? why? To toy with us and punish us for being sinner? Its not my fault that I am a sinner, its GOD’s fault for making me a sinner.
    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Akara143[/i]
    First of all…your love is nothing compare to God’s love…. human love is not perfect…God’s love is…. the bible stated…Perfect love cast out fear..
    —–
    what If your wife dont love you and reject you and dont want anything to do with you and want to be with another man, …wouldnt you toss her out…?
    ————————–
    and thats just your wife..you didnt even create her..

    ——————————

    The people who doesnt love God and reject God and dont want anything to do with him..God will say ok as you wish… they will be be far awway seperated from God in darkness…cause God is light..

    ————————

    Hell was created for the devil and his fallen angels…. but those who reject and dont want anything with God will go there too.

    People have a choice ..to be with God or seperate from God…

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Kaliboy[/i]
    I love my wife. Like God, I make her show her love for me by putting her through tests. If she fails those tests; I will throw her in a lake of fire to burn for eternity. Why? Because I love her!

    [Message last modified 07-01-2010 11:33am by Akara143]

    [Message last modified 07-01-2010 11:56am by Akara143][/quote]
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    #330056
    Avatar of Hollycow
    Hollycow
    Participant

    It’s all in you. Only you can make a change by make a decision to be free out fears. That’s what I did.

    [i]Originally posted by khemrin[/i]

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Hollycow[/i]
    Don’t blame God, it’s wrong. Blame ourself is more humble. Blame God is arrogant. To win is to lose, to lose is to win. Khmer says, chaan baan praas, chneaas baan chea mia. To be humble is to win. To be arrogant is to lose. Hope you understand, ok? What else can I tell you. It’s that simple formula. A+B= AB.

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by khemrin[/i]

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Akara143[/i]

    16 “For God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. 17 God sent his Son into the world not to judge the world, but to save the world through him.”
    ———————————-

    Lol, akara143,

    You have seemed to be obsessed with this quote. But think about it…: With all the power of an almighty God, he could have done much better than to send his only beloved son to be killed on the cross in such humiliating and horrifying way like that. Even then he would still have to kill more people once he come down once more. This is as result of repetitive failure that he committed one after another. What I said is as if what was written in the bible were to be true.

    1/ The failure in the garden of eden
    2/ Due to the unforeseeable failure from banishing Adam and Eve from the garden of eden led to mass murder of the great flood
    3/ Despite many corrections made through various punishment, the suicide mission of Jesus still needed to cleanse the world of the mess that he made earlier
    4/ When all else fail, The Revelation: Massive killing will be upon us, on judgment day. [/quote]
    [/quote]

    But about what is right and wrong, and in doing so hopefully less people will be killed, as result of this madness. Starting in the garden of Eden and it just rolled off the cliff from there(according to the fairy tale).

    So, it is not about winning or losing in religious debate. Nor would it be about the absolute truth. But merely to shed some light where darkness is pervaded by the unfortunate event happened only in the bibles, and in the mind of “The Believers”, but nowhere else. Where is this garden of eden thing, some say it is somewhere in Iraq. Then where is this boat which was built by Noah, some say it is stuck on top of the mount Arafat… And what happened to the ring of fire that God put there to prevent Adam and Eve from returning..?

    If one wants to believe whatever they want, the sun, the moon, the tree, the bush, the cow is fine with me. I am all for that, as long as it make then happy. But don’t tell me that I am going to hell because I don’t believe in the fairy tale cooked up to serve their national interest, or to save their race. I refuse to be part of such absurdity. And don’t include me that Adam and Eve were my greatest parents. It gives such a strong repulsion that I want to vomit. I don’t want to be part of multiplication based on incestuous line of lies.

    [/quote]

    #330066
    Avatar of Hollycow
    Hollycow
    Participant

    Khemrin,

    Thanks for calling a believer, I will tried, but my tried is not good enough. I just to be freed from fears. I had problems like you too, for a long time, but I got help, its saves my money from seeking helps. I sought help here and there. Most of the helps came from the bible itself. I don’t go to church, but my heart tried to go to church. That’s all. Churches is not perfect eithers.

    [i]Originally posted by khemrin[/i]

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Hollycow[/i]
    God is above all, he deserves our belief, love and respect. He wants people to be humble to him and respect his laws. We are not perfect but must try hard anyway. It’s a good thing to do.

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Akara143[/i]
    when God created man…there is a space inside our heart that only God can fullfilled…, without God there is an imptiness inside us human. .. Some religions out there are man made…. man needed God to worship so they made up thier own gods…some worshiping idols..even think themself as god…and stuff… man try to reach up to god.and Heaven….
    ———————-

    But The Christian God,..Jesus Christ came down from Heaven and saved us and show us how to go to Heaven….

    In the Bible chapter John 3:16 stated…

    16 “For God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. 17 God sent his Son into the world not to judge the world, but to save the world through him.”
    ———————————-

    Jesus Christ ..says ..come as you are ..repent.. I will clean you up.. .. .he will forgive your sin and wash us whhite as now….

    you see God change our heart..he changes us from the inside out…Jesus takes our heart of stone and replace it a heart of love and compassion..
    ———————————-

    If you only believe…

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Legends[/i]
    God created God to experience another aspect of itself.
    Man is a creation of god, god is a creation of man. They are one and the same.

    [/quote]
    [/quote]

    Which is very hard to find these days, even in their own hierarchy church.[/quote]

    #330077
    Avatar of Kaliboy
    Kaliboy
    Participant

    Okay. Adam and Eve sinned by choice. They knowingly betrayed God’s trust by disobeying. My nephew, or any other young child should’nt be labeled as a sinner since they know nothing. For your GOD to say they were born into this world which automatically makes them sinner is BS. Utter BullShiet!
    Lemme guess your reply; “Thats how GOD works. He has a plan and he is perfect.” Please… spare me that crap!

    [i]Originally posted by Hollycow[/i]
    Kaliboy,

    God never sin. Human sinned. Our human father father sinned, failed, betryed God, got condemned. God win . Human lose. I lose. I surrendered. Game over. Conflicts freed.

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Kaliboy[/i]
    I love my wife. Like God, I make her show her love for me by putting her through tests. If she fails those tests; I will throw her in a lake of fire to burn for eternity. Why? Because I love her!

    [Message last modified 07-01-2010 11:33am by Akara143]

    [Message last modified 07-01-2010 11:56am by Akara143][/quote]
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    #330087
    Avatar of khemrin
    khemrin
    Participant

    [i]Originally posted by Hollycow[/i]
    I did the thinking a lot. Here’s my conclusion: It’s not important, what’s important is that you believe and obey or case close.

    It is good that you did the thinking a lot. Even though you come to such conclusion. Half of our journey is almost complete.

    It is not about judging or disrespecting God or anything, but it is about responsibility of the almighty god(supposed to be). And in doing that we are free ourselves from the victim mentality, where one would casually accept that he god, so he can do whatever he wanted with his creation. That is absolutely not true.

    If such mentality were to be continue, nothing will change, both in God’s attitude toward Christian and bible writers. People speak out, and refuse to accept the victim mentality, then there have been many changes to the bibles, so has God’s attitude toward women and now the gay and lesbian.

    Soon Christian God and Christian bible writers would open their heart and be more acceptable to being different. Different idea, different religion, different people and thus different way to go to heaven. More tolerant and live in co-existence rather than, confrontation.

    It all start with each one of us.

    #330097
    Avatar of khemrin
    khemrin
    Participant

    [i]Originally posted by Hollycow[/i]
    Kaliboy,

    God never sin. Human sinned. Our human father father sinned, failed, betryed God, got condemned. God win . Human lose. I lose. I surrendered. Game over. Conflicts freed.

    When did sin enter the garden of eden? Before or after the garden was created? Was God himself sinner?

    #330106
    Avatar of Akara143
    Akara143
    Participant

    hmmm ..okay your young nephew don’t sin right now… but when your nephew gets older and older and become adult will he sin? the answer is yes… and why did he sin? because its in his human nature.. thats what it mean when it say were born sinner… have you ever commite any sins in your life I’m sure you have… your conscience convict you too..

    Now…Can your nephew go through life here on earth perfect without comminting any sin? the answer is No…

    we all sins in this life here on earth……cause were sinners..

    [i]Originally posted by Kaliboy[/i]
    Okay. Adam and Eve sinned by choice. They knowingly betrayed God’s trust by disobeying. My nephew, or any other young child should’nt be labeled as a sinner since they know nothing. For your GOD to say they were born into this world which automatically makes them sinner is BS. Utter BullShiet!
    Lemme guess your reply; “Thats how GOD works. He has a plan and he is perfect.” Please… spare me that crap!
    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Hollycow[/i]
    Kaliboy,

    God never sin. Human sinned. Our human father father sinned, failed, betryed God, got condemned. God win . Human lose. I lose. I surrendered. Game over. Conflicts freed.

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Kaliboy[/i]
    I love my wife. Like God, I make her show her love for me by putting her through tests. If she fails those tests; I will throw her in a lake of fire to burn for eternity. Why? Because I love her!

    [Message last modified 07-01-2010 11:33am by Akara143]

    [Message last modified 07-01-2010 11:56am by Akara143][/quote]
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    #330116
    Avatar of Akara143
    Akara143
    Participant

    Yes Hollcow,

    I thought I be nice and tried to explain to them hoping that they would understand but No.. they just mock and insult, .. because they don’t understand.. its called spiritual blind.. they cant understand .. I’m not mad at them.. I forgive them… I know better.. much given much requier from.. … but I’m tired of it…..so its in theier own hands now…


    Hey Hollycow, keep reading the word brother.. don’t be afraid trust in the lord Jesus Chriist….
    the love of God will give you peace.. and blessing… and understanding..

    there is a Cristian radio in O.C California called kwve that broadcast 24/7 .. I lisyen to it often.. they preach from the bible and they explain to you chapter by chapter.. . and every weekdays at 3pm pst they have a live show for 1 hour from 3 to 4pm.. if you have any question from the bible you can call and ask them.. and they will try to answer it for you… check it out.. its a blessing bro..

    http://www.kwve.com

    alright..God bless you bro..

    [i]Originally posted by Hollycow[/i]
    Arkara 143,

    Some people here is just throwing the annoyance remarks that’s all. They have nothing better to do. But at least they acted civilised.

    #330127
    Avatar of Akara143
    Akara143
    Participant

    Ahh Legend, did you just google this old 2007 information? heehee

    The Christian Network Daystar is there up and broadcasting again since 2009 til now, I even saw daystar broadcasting live from Israel on Directt 1 years ago…. here read this… http://jewishisrael.ning.com/profiles/blogs/daystar-creeps-back-into

    Back then some Jews didnt believe in Jesus either because they didnt understand it.. one day God will open thier eyes to see and believed…. There will be no jews or gentile.. just one people in Jesus Christ..
    ——

    Christian go visite the holyland to see the place where Jesus was and where everythings took place…

    Legend, I always try to answers your questions.. I never ask you any question or mock your belief.. Even though you mock me and insult my faith… I tried to be nice and try to explain to you so you might understnd… but I see its no use.. argueing … since you dont believe and I do.. so no matter what I say you still wont believe.. waste alot on time..

    The Jews back then they wanted a sign from Jesus, be4 they believe in him.. even though Jesus was healing the sick open the eyes of the blind, heal the paralized man and even raised lazarus from the dead.still not enough sign for them.. just to proove that human being can never be satisfy..

    I’m tired of answering the same things over and over again ..u only ask to mock.. i waste to much time for argueing back and forth..
    so take care good luck…byebye

    [i]Originally posted by Legends[/i]
    Back in 2007 the Christian missionary Daystar network launched in Israel with much fanfare – with Christian Zionists from Pastor Hagee to the organization Bridges for Peace hailing the opportunity to spread the gospel via television in Israel. But it didn’t take long before public pressure forced the Israeli cable provider HOT to drop Daystar like a hot potato. At the time, the company said it had received numerous complaints about Daystar’s content, and commercials. According to INN News, among the offensive content was a 15-minute infomercial by the American Messianic ministry Jewish Voice Ministries International, which HOT representatives said “targets a Jewish audience with the message of Jesus.”

    Note – Public Pressure forced. Now, what does that tell you?

    There is a diffrence between a Christian going to Israel to preach Christanity, and a Christian who is going to Israel to visit the Holy City.

    I’ve read the bible, but I’m not going to take it as obsolute truth, or fact.

    You have not answered any of my questions.

    “the truth will always be the truth..and the truth is Jesus Christ in the son of God,.. who came down from heaven and died on the cross for the sins of the world, ”

    You speak as the bible is absolute truth when you have no evidence that the events in the Bible did happen, or even correct. However,you say it is the truth because the bible says so, and if you don’t believe in god then

    “Those who reject God and those who doesnt want anything to do with God, along with those who pratice witchcraft, evil magic and idols worshipers….

    God will cast them away in darkness forever…..”

    Don’t you see how dangerous that is? You split people in to two groups, the people who believe and don’t believe or reject the belief of God, or Jesus. They are put aside with the “evil” and “wicked” people.

    Now, imagine if we weren’t as civilized as we are now, you split the world into two groups. The believers and non believers of a belief that is likley not the absolute truth. However, the believers make it out as abolsute truth. What do you think will happen to the non believers?

    Don’t tell me that nothing would happen? Because all you have to do is pull out your history book and you will see.

    [Message last modified 07-08-2010 04:07pm by Legends]

    #330136
    Avatar of Akara143
    Akara143
    Participant

    Khmerin, you edited your word out.. `

    I’m just tired of explainging to you the same things over and over again man… you ask me so that you can mock and insult… waste of time ..I dont wanna be rude… but I will ignore you..

    No thanks, I love the lord God almighty..and his son Jesus Christ.. once you feel God’s love, peace, and blessing.. an experience u cant describe.. ask any true believer in Jesus Christ.. they will tell you..

    take care good luck man byebye

    [i]Originally posted by khemrin[/i]

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Akara143[/i]
    Hey khmerin,

    Listen up,..

    I didnt say anything that ask you to stop asking…go reread my earlier post again about me asking you to stop… I said why you keep asking the same questions over and over again.. even though I already explain it to you thats all..

    Hey if people have questions about God on here and if I can help I will try to answer them the best of my ability… Im not preaching you..those who wanna know I will tell them about the bible..

    man..stop taking my words and twist it around ..your acting like the serpent in the garden of eden..

    ————-

    You either have faith or you don’t plain and simple… nough said…

    ———

    peace..

    You did not ask me right out to stop asking, but with many of this “ok.. peace out of here topic….” What you mean out of here topic? I know what it means, you are being annoyed by legitimate question that you and even God could not answer, and you try to shoo me away.

    You didn’t answer any question. Not that I expect you to answer something that even God could not understand himself, but just to implore your inner soul, hypothetically. I ask the same questions again and again, because, you are preaching the same quote from the same bibles all the time. Is that fair? :)

    Lol, where did I take your words and twist it around?

    AAHHH, Should I take that as compliment? For without the talking snake, Adam and Eve would probably be still running around naked in the garden. That was why God had the plan to create the talking snake in there. Do you see that?

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    #330146

    Legends
    Participant

    [i]Originally posted by Akara143[/i]
    Ahh Legend, did you just google this old 2007 information? heehee

    The Christian Network Daystar is there up and broadcasting again since 2009 til now, I even saw daystar broadcasting live from Israel on Directt 1 years ago…. here read this… http://jewishisrael.ning.com/profiles/blogs/daystar-creeps-back-into

    Back then some Jews didnt believe in Jesus either because they didnt understand it.. one day God will open thier eyes to see and believed…. There will be no jews or gentile.. just one people in Jesus Christ..
    ——

    Christian go visite the holyland to see the place where Jesus was and where everythings took place…

    Legend, I always try to answers your questions.. I never ask you any question or mock your belief.. Even though you mock me and insult my faith… I tried to be nice and try to explain to you so you might understnd… but I see its no use.. argueing … since you dont believe and I do.. so no matter what I say you still wont believe.. waste alot on time..

    The Jews back then they wanted a sign from Jesus, be4 they believe in him.. even though Jesus was healing the sick open the eyes of the blind, heal the paralized man and even raised lazarus from the dead.still not enough sign for them.. just to proove that human being can never be satisfy..

    I’m tired of answering the same things over and over again ..u only ask to mock.. i waste to much time for argueing back and forth..
    so take care good luck…byebye

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Legends[/i]
    Back in 2007 the Christian missionary Daystar network launched in Israel with much fanfare – with Christian Zionists from Pastor Hagee to the organization Bridges for Peace hailing the opportunity to spread the gospel via television in Israel. But it didn’t take long before public pressure forced the Israeli cable provider HOT to drop Daystar like a hot potato. At the time, the company said it had received numerous complaints about Daystar’s content, and commercials. According to INN News, among the offensive content was a 15-minute infomercial by the American Messianic ministry Jewish Voice Ministries International, which HOT representatives said “targets a Jewish audience with the message of Jesus.”

    Note – Public Pressure forced. Now, what does that tell you?

    There is a diffrence between a Christian going to Israel to preach Christanity, and a Christian who is going to Israel to visit the Holy City.

    I’ve read the bible, but I’m not going to take it as obsolute truth, or fact.

    You have not answered any of my questions.

    “the truth will always be the truth..and the truth is Jesus Christ in the son of God,.. who came down from heaven and died on the cross for the sins of the world, ”

    You speak as the bible is absolute truth when you have no evidence that the events in the Bible did happen, or even correct. However,you say it is the truth because the bible says so, and if you don’t believe in god then

    “Those who reject God and those who doesnt want anything to do with God, along with those who pratice witchcraft, evil magic and idols worshipers….

    God will cast them away in darkness forever…..”

    Don’t you see how dangerous that is? You split people in to two groups, the people who believe and don’t believe or reject the belief of God, or Jesus. They are put aside with the “evil” and “wicked” people.

    Now, imagine if we weren’t as civilized as we are now, you split the world into two groups. The believers and non believers of a belief that is likley not the absolute truth. However, the believers make it out as abolsute truth. What do you think will happen to the non believers?

    Don’t tell me that nothing would happen? Because all you have to do is pull out your history book and you will see.

    [Message last modified 07-08-2010 04:07pm by Legends]

    [/quote]

    I know it is back up, but don’t you see why it was shut down before? And, it’s funny how the link says ttp://jewishisrael.ning.com/profiles/blogs/daystar-creeps-back-into , daystar creeps back into. Why does it have to creep back into?

    I haven’t mocked your belief, I only point out the flaws. It seems you are the one on the offensive. If you are trying to tell us your belief is the absolute truth or the only truth, then at least give us reasonable answers, instead of just quoting things from the Bible, and threatening us with “Gods” wrath of doom. Your faith stems from the Bible, and the Bible is filled with contradictions, and things that don’t seem logical. So, try to at least try to think for yourself, and leave the bible somewhere else, it is obviously the problem.

    #330158
    Avatar of domra
    domra
    Participant

    [i]Originally posted by Legends[/i]

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Akara143[/i]
    Ahh Legend, did you just google this old 2007 information? heehee

    The Christian Network Daystar is there up and broadcasting again since 2009 til now, I even saw daystar broadcasting live from Israel on Directt 1 years ago…. here read this… http://jewishisrael.ning.com/profiles/blogs/daystar-creeps-back-into

    Back then some Jews didnt believe in Jesus either because they didnt understand it.. one day God will open thier eyes to see and believed…. There will be no jews or gentile.. just one people in Jesus Christ..
    ——

    Christian go visite the holyland to see the place where Jesus was and where everythings took place…

    Legend, I always try to answers your questions.. I never ask you any question or mock your belief.. Even though you mock me and insult my faith… I tried to be nice and try to explain to you so you might understnd… but I see its no use.. argueing … since you dont believe and I do.. so no matter what I say you still wont believe.. waste alot on time..

    The Jews back then they wanted a sign from Jesus, be4 they believe in him.. even though Jesus was healing the sick open the eyes of the blind, heal the paralized man and even raised lazarus from the dead.still not enough sign for them.. just to proove that human being can never be satisfy..

    I’m tired of answering the same things over and over again ..u only ask to mock.. i waste to much time for argueing back and forth..
    so take care good luck…byebye

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Legends[/i]
    Back in 2007 the Christian missionary Daystar network launched in Israel with much fanfare – with Christian Zionists from Pastor Hagee to the organization Bridges for Peace hailing the opportunity to spread the gospel via television in Israel. But it didn’t take long before public pressure forced the Israeli cable provider HOT to drop Daystar like a hot potato. At the time, the company said it had received numerous complaints about Daystar’s content, and commercials. According to INN News, among the offensive content was a 15-minute infomercial by the American Messianic ministry Jewish Voice Ministries International, which HOT representatives said “targets a Jewish audience with the message of Jesus.”

    Note – Public Pressure forced. Now, what does that tell you?

    There is a diffrence between a Christian going to Israel to preach Christanity, and a Christian who is going to Israel to visit the Holy City.

    I’ve read the bible, but I’m not going to take it as obsolute truth, or fact.

    You have not answered any of my questions.

    “the truth will always be the truth..and the truth is Jesus Christ in the son of God,.. who came down from heaven and died on the cross for the sins of the world, ”

    You speak as the bible is absolute truth when you have no evidence that the events in the Bible did happen, or even correct. However,you say it is the truth because the bible says so, and if you don’t believe in god then

    “Those who reject God and those who doesnt want anything to do with God, along with those who pratice witchcraft, evil magic and idols worshipers….

    God will cast them away in darkness forever…..”

    Don’t you see how dangerous that is? You split people in to two groups, the people who believe and don’t believe or reject the belief of God, or Jesus. They are put aside with the “evil” and “wicked” people.

    Now, imagine if we weren’t as civilized as we are now, you split the world into two groups. The believers and non believers of a belief that is likley not the absolute truth. However, the believers make it out as abolsute truth. What do you think will happen to the non believers?

    Don’t tell me that nothing would happen? Because all you have to do is pull out your history book and you will see.

    [Message last modified 07-08-2010 04:07pm by Legends]

    [/quote]

    I know it is back up, but don’t you see why it was shut down before? And, it’s funny how the link says ttp://jewishisrael.ning.com/profiles/blogs/daystar-creeps-back-into , daystar creeps back into. Why does it have to creep back into?

    I haven’t mocked your belief, I only point out the flaws. It seems you are the one on the offensive. If you are trying to tell us your belief is the absolute truth or the only truth, then at least give us reasonable answers, instead of just quoting things from the Bible, and threatening us with “Gods” wrath of doom. Your faith stems from the Bible, and the Bible is filled with contradictions, and things that don’t seem logical. So, try to at least try to think for yourself, and leave the bible somewhere else, it is obviously the problem.

    [/quote]

    Legends, if I may, Christians have been trying extremely hard to convince people to believe that their religion is the absolute truth, the only one and only true religion on the planet earth. All other religions are false. They say something like, “Let those with ears hear.” This is really a mockery. It means that only Christians are wise; the rest are ignorant and arrogant.

    It is not hard at all to dissect this in a logical way. Take diamond as an example. Have you ever heard a piece of diamond telling you, “I’m the only true stone, the absolute stone that shines?” No. It just shines. Have you heard a piece of diamond saying, “I’m stronger than steel?” No. It just cuts steel. In the same way, truth does not need to be convinced.

    Christians, once completely brain-washed, will not admit that their Bible is a book of contradictions. They will come back with more quotes, “The Bibles says,…, According to the Bible…” I give you one example. Christians claim that they don’t trust man, referring to the Buddha. But they trust the Bible. But who wrote the Bible? Man. Who is man? Sinner. Since every man is sinner (so they claim), and the Bible is written by man, it implies that the Bible is sinned. This is a big-time contradiction. Yet, Christians refuse to acknowledge this one piece of truth, either they cannot see it, or see it but ignore it.

    They claim they want to hear the truth. But when the truth is presented to them, they say you insult them. You mock them. You are a person full of hatred, bitterness, blah blah blah, and they will pray for you.

    It is such a mess.

    God (assuming he exists) does not belong to any religious sect. Christians don’t own God. Therefore, you don’t need to be a Christian in order to believe in God, unless you are brain-washed. You don’t need to go to Church to pray to God, because God does not live in the Church.

    #330168
    Avatar of Hollycow
    Hollycow
    Participant

    You did see I wrote that God never sinned? Destruction came with Adam sinned.

    [i]Originally posted by khemrin[/i]

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Hollycow[/i]
    Kaliboy,

    God never sin. Human sinned. Our human father father sinned, failed, betryed God, got condemned. God win . Human lose. I lose. I surrendered. Game over. Conflicts freed.

    When did sin enter the garden of eden? Before or after the garden was created? Was God himself sinner?
    [/quote]

    #330176
    Avatar of Hollycow
    Hollycow
    Participant

    I think children under 10 yr go to heaven when they died. God forgives them.

    [i]Originally posted by Kaliboy[/i]
    Okay. Adam and Eve sinned by choice. They knowingly betrayed God’s trust by disobeying. My nephew, or any other young child should’nt be labeled as a sinner since they know nothing. For your GOD to say they were born into this world which automatically makes them sinner is BS. Utter BullShiet!
    Lemme guess your reply; “Thats how GOD works. He has a plan and he is perfect.” Please… spare me that crap!
    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Hollycow[/i]
    Kaliboy,

    God never sin. Human sinned. Our human father father sinned, failed, betryed God, got condemned. God win . Human lose. I lose. I surrendered. Game over. Conflicts freed.

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Kaliboy[/i]
    I love my wife. Like God, I make her show her love for me by putting her through tests. If she fails those tests; I will throw her in a lake of fire to burn for eternity. Why? Because I love her!

    [Message last modified 07-01-2010 11:33am by Akara143]

    [Message last modified 07-01-2010 11:56am by Akara143][/quote]
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    #330187
    Avatar of Akara143
    Akara143
    Participant

    Legend, read what you wrote in your previous post, your funny line and laugh… isnt that mocking…

    man..your lying through your teeth.. your wrong maany times.. you cant admite that your wrong huh.. ..its ok.. heehee

    [i]Originally posted by Legends[/i]

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Akara143[/i]

    I don’t know why God allowed it to be there… the bible just say it was there… and Adam and Eve disobey God…

    [/quote]

    I thought that was funny, thanks for the laugh :):)[/quote]

    #330197
    Avatar of Akara143
    Akara143
    Participant

    No you never mock my belief.. Lengend never lied….he’s a good guy ..heehee

    [i]Originally posted by Legends[/i]

    I haven’t mocked your belief, I only point out the flaws. It seems you are the one on the offensive. If you are trying to tell us your belief is the absolute truth or the only truth, then at least give us reasonable answers, instead of just quoting things from the Bible, and threatening us with “Gods” wrath of doom. Your faith stems from the Bible, and the Bible is filled with contradictions, and things that don’t seem logical. So, try to at least try to think for yourself, and leave the bible somewhere else, it is obviously the problem.

    #330205

    Legends
    Participant

    [i]Originally posted by Akara143[/i]
    Legend, read what you wrote in your previous post, your funny line and laugh… isnt that mocking…

    man..your lying through your teeth.. your wrong maany times.. you cant admite that your wrong huh.. ..its ok.. heehee

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Legends[/i]

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Akara143[/i]

    I don’t know why God allowed it to be there… the bible just say it was there… and Adam and Eve disobey God…

    [/quote]

    I thought that was funny, thanks for the laugh :):)[/quote]
    [/quote]

    Perhaps you should read it carefully. I did not mock your belief or religion. I quoted only your statement instead of your whole post – “I don’t know why God allowed it to be there… the bible just say it was there… and Adam and Eve disobey God…”.

    Do you not see what is comical about that statement? Let me help you, You said that you don’t know why god put the snake in the garden of Eden. Then you said, but the bible just says it was there.

    I don’t know why… uh but the bible says so.

    (Job 37:18 NRSV) Can you, like him, spread out the skies, hard as a molten mirror?

    I don’t know why God spread out the skies and made it hard like molten mirror, but the bible says so, so it’s true and it’s there.

    Oh wait, the sky isn’t hard is it?

    or

    (Job 38:13 NIV) that it might take the earth by the edges and shake the wicked out of it.

    I don’t know why God made the earth flat, but the bible says so, so it must be true.

    Oh wait, the earth is Spherical. It’s impossible to shake anything off of it.

    If you don’t get it by now then, I really don’t know what to say. It’s fine to have your faith in Jesus Christ, and God. But at least think for yourself before trying to judge things as right or wrong, instead of having to rely on someone or something. You aren’t a drone, your a human being. Didn’t you say god gave us “free will”, apparently to some of us it isn’t true.

    #330216

    Legends
    Participant

    [i]Originally posted by domra[/i]

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Legends[/i]

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Akara143[/i]
    Ahh Legend, did you just google this old 2007 information? heehee

    The Christian Network Daystar is there up and broadcasting again since 2009 til now, I even saw daystar broadcasting live from Israel on Directt 1 years ago…. here read this… http://jewishisrael.ning.com/profiles/blogs/daystar-creeps-back-into

    Back then some Jews didnt believe in Jesus either because they didnt understand it.. one day God will open thier eyes to see and believed…. There will be no jews or gentile.. just one people in Jesus Christ..
    ——

    Christian go visite the holyland to see the place where Jesus was and where everythings took place…

    Legend, I always try to answers your questions.. I never ask you any question or mock your belief.. Even though you mock me and insult my faith… I tried to be nice and try to explain to you so you might understnd… but I see its no use.. argueing … since you dont believe and I do.. so no matter what I say you still wont believe.. waste alot on time..

    The Jews back then they wanted a sign from Jesus, be4 they believe in him.. even though Jesus was healing the sick open the eyes of the blind, heal the paralized man and even raised lazarus from the dead.still not enough sign for them.. just to proove that human being can never be satisfy..

    I’m tired of answering the same things over and over again ..u only ask to mock.. i waste to much time for argueing back and forth..
    so take care good luck…byebye

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Legends[/i]
    Back in 2007 the Christian missionary Daystar network launched in Israel with much fanfare – with Christian Zionists from Pastor Hagee to the organization Bridges for Peace hailing the opportunity to spread the gospel via television in Israel. But it didn’t take long before public pressure forced the Israeli cable provider HOT to drop Daystar like a hot potato. At the time, the company said it had received numerous complaints about Daystar’s content, and commercials. According to INN News, among the offensive content was a 15-minute infomercial by the American Messianic ministry Jewish Voice Ministries International, which HOT representatives said “targets a Jewish audience with the message of Jesus.”

    Note – Public Pressure forced. Now, what does that tell you?

    There is a diffrence between a Christian going to Israel to preach Christanity, and a Christian who is going to Israel to visit the Holy City.

    I’ve read the bible, but I’m not going to take it as obsolute truth, or fact.

    You have not answered any of my questions.

    “the truth will always be the truth..and the truth is Jesus Christ in the son of God,.. who came down from heaven and died on the cross for the sins of the world, ”

    You speak as the bible is absolute truth when you have no evidence that the events in the Bible did happen, or even correct. However,you say it is the truth because the bible says so, and if you don’t believe in god then

    “Those who reject God and those who doesnt want anything to do with God, along with those who pratice witchcraft, evil magic and idols worshipers….

    God will cast them away in darkness forever…..”

    Don’t you see how dangerous that is? You split people in to two groups, the people who believe and don’t believe or reject the belief of God, or Jesus. They are put aside with the “evil” and “wicked” people.

    Now, imagine if we weren’t as civilized as we are now, you split the world into two groups. The believers and non believers of a belief that is likley not the absolute truth. However, the believers make it out as abolsute truth. What do you think will happen to the non believers?

    Don’t tell me that nothing would happen? Because all you have to do is pull out your history book and you will see.

    [Message last modified 07-08-2010 04:07pm by Legends]

    [/quote]

    I know it is back up, but don’t you see why it was shut down before? And, it’s funny how the link says ttp://jewishisrael.ning.com/profiles/blogs/daystar-creeps-back-into , daystar creeps back into. Why does it have to creep back into?

    I haven’t mocked your belief, I only point out the flaws. It seems you are the one on the offensive. If you are trying to tell us your belief is the absolute truth or the only truth, then at least give us reasonable answers, instead of just quoting things from the Bible, and threatening us with “Gods” wrath of doom. Your faith stems from the Bible, and the Bible is filled with contradictions, and things that don’t seem logical. So, try to at least try to think for yourself, and leave the bible somewhere else, it is obviously the problem.

    [/quote]

    Legends, if I may, Christians have been trying extremely hard to convince people to believe that their religion is the absolute truth, the only one and only true religion on the planet earth. All other religions are false. They say something like, “Let those with ears hear.” This is really a mockery. It means that only Christians are wise; the rest are ignorant and arrogant.

    It is not hard at all to dissect this in a logical way. Take diamond as an example. Have you ever heard a piece of diamond telling you, “I’m the only true stone, the absolute stone that shines?” No. It just shines. Have you heard a piece of diamond saying, “I’m stronger than steel?” No. It just cuts steel. In the same way, truth does not need to be convinced.

    Christians, once completely brain-washed, will not admit that their Bible is a book of contradictions. They will come back with more quotes, “The Bibles says,…, According to the Bible…” I give you one example. Christians claim that they don’t trust man, referring to the Buddha. But they trust the Bible. But who wrote the Bible? Man. Who is man? Sinner. Since every man is sinner (so they claim), and the Bible is written by man, it implies that the Bible is sinned. This is a big-time contradiction. Yet, Christians refuse to acknowledge this one piece of truth, either they cannot see it, or see it but ignore it.

    They claim they want to hear the truth. But when the truth is presented to them, they say you insult them. You mock them. You are a person full of hatred, bitterness, blah blah blah, and they will pray for you.

    It is such a mess.

    God (assuming he exists) does not belong to any religious sect. Christians don’t own God. Therefore, you don’t need to be a Christian in order to believe in God, unless you are brain-washed. You don’t need to go to Church to pray to God, because God does not live in the Church.

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    Thanks for the reply Domra, you are right in what you say, it is evident in this whole thread. However, I feel that not all Christians are like this, that there are Christians who have an open mind, who allow other thoughts into their own beliefs as well as respectively share their own beliefs. Hopefully we don’t get christian fanatics saying that they are not “True Christians”.

    I feel that Jesus teachings are similar to Buddha’s teachings. The Christians that act on Jesus teachings and do something to help the world and mankind or even just to truly respect their fellow man, instead of preaching, and judging right or wrong to the world are the ones to truly respect.

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    You think kids under 10 go to heaven automatically? How so? Is it written in the bible or are you just assuming things?

    I didnt know you decided who goes to heaven and who goes to hell.

    [i]Originally posted by Hollycow[/i]
    I think children under 10 yr go to heaven when they died. God forgives them.

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    [i]Originally posted by Kaliboy[/i]
    Okay. Adam and Eve sinned by choice. They knowingly betrayed God’s trust by disobeying. My nephew, or any other young child should’nt be labeled as a sinner since they know nothing. For your GOD to say they were born into this world which automatically makes them sinner is BS. Utter BullShiet!
    Lemme guess your reply; “Thats how GOD works. He has a plan and he is perfect.” Please… spare me that crap!
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    [i]Originally posted by Hollycow[/i]
    Kaliboy,

    God never sin. Human sinned. Our human father father sinned, failed, betryed God, got condemned. God win . Human lose. I lose. I surrendered. Game over. Conflicts freed.

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    [i]Originally posted by Kaliboy[/i]
    I love my wife. Like God, I make her show her love for me by putting her through tests. If she fails those tests; I will throw her in a lake of fire to burn for eternity. Why? Because I love her!

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    [i]Originally posted by Akara143[/i]
    Khmerin, you edited your word out.. `

    I’m just tired of explainging to you the same things over and over again man… you ask me so that you can mock and insult… waste of time ..I dont wanna be rude… but I will ignore you..

    No thanks, I love the lord God almighty..and his son Jesus Christ.. once you feel God’s love, peace, and blessing.. an experience u cant describe.. ask any true believer in Jesus Christ.. they will tell you..

    take care good luck man byebye

    Never edit out anything

    You just see thing that was not there in the first place.

    No problem you can ignore me, but remember, as a friendly advice, the Genesis, read no further. Where it all began(according to the fairy tale), the mother of all lies, deception and betrayal.

    Since sin is the ultimate central idea of motivation for redemption in this religion. Even Christian God was so obsessed with the idea of sin cleansing that he would later kill millions of people, and finally sent his son to be tortured and killed on the cross to save Christian souls.

    As we tracked down the origin of this “original sin”, we found that it all began in the garden of eden. where Christian had just created for his newly created couple Adam and Eve. However, there was another more powerful character in there, the talking snake, that would later alter everything, in the garden of eden, and thus all almighty God’s plan for his creation.

    This talking snake was so powerful, more powerful than Christian God him/herself that they would later defy his curse and would never eat dirt as long as they exist.

    Consider: There were four main character in the garden of eden: Adam, Eve, the talking and Christian God.

    Then ask:

    Who created the talking snake?

    Who was in charge in the garden, the talking snake or God?

    Who was responsible for the fall out in the story: the talking snake, Adam, eve or Christian God?

    THINK:……..

    #330246
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    [i]Originally posted by Legends[/i]

    Hopefully we don’t get christian fanatics saying that they are not “True Christians”.

    I feel that Jesus teachings are similar to Buddha’s teachings. The Christians that act on Jesus teachings and do something to help the world and mankind or even just to truly respect their fellow man, instead of preaching, and judging right or wrong to the world are the ones to truly respect.

    Legend,

    I have met and worked with a lot of Christian, Hindu, Muslim, Sikh or even atheist, but I always am able to respectfully joke around with regard to their religion or mine. But I can never joke with Khmer Christian, about their new found faith in Lord Jesus Christ. Not even my own nephew, who was converted to Jehovah Witness. We met up in Cambodia last year, but nothing about religion. I did my own thing and he did his own thing. All I could tell him was, insinuatingly, that be careful what you are getting into. Those who wrote these bibles were not stupid. And these who converted you are not stupid.

    Since he was converted, first he lose his job(because he was on a full time knock-on-door-to-door), then his house, and now he is losing his children…

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    Kaliboy,

    Jesus said unless your heart is as pure as little kids, you will never enter the kindom of heaven. In heaven, people’s are so pure like little kid. So that mean kids will go to heaven. God can do anything and he loves little ones.

    #330265
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    I rather follow God and stay home with my kid rather than follow religion like Jehova Witness.

    [i]Originally posted by khemrin[/i]

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    [i]Originally posted by Legends[/i]

    Hopefully we don’t get christian fanatics saying that they are not “True Christians”.

    I feel that Jesus teachings are similar to Buddha’s teachings. The Christians that act on Jesus teachings and do something to help the world and mankind or even just to truly respect their fellow man, instead of preaching, and judging right or wrong to the world are the ones to truly respect.

    Legend,

    I have met and worked with a lot of Christian, Hindu, Muslim, Sikh or even atheist, but I always am able to respectfully joke around with regard to their religion or mine. But I can never joke with Khmer Christian, about their new found faith in Lord Jesus Christ. Not even my own nephew, who was converted to Jehovah Witness. We met up in Cambodia last year, but nothing about religion. I did my own thing and he did his own thing. All I could tell him was, insinuatingly, that be careful what you are getting into. Those who wrote these bibles were not stupid. And these who converted you are not stupid.

    Since he was converted, first he lose his job(because he was on a full time knock-on-door-to-door), then his house, and now he is losing his children… [/quote]

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