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    [i]Originally posted by Akara143[/i]
    Khmrin,..

    Yes, I believe the Holy bible and Genesis,…thats what called faith,..

    Jesus Christ was not proforming tricks like all these days magician heehee… These human magician like david coperfield u mention, all they do is tricks illusion…

    Jesus Christ was doing far more then that Jesus healing the sick, the leporsy, he also heal the paralized man,..opening eyes of the blinds… raised Lazarus from death…which only God can ..

    The Pharasee (who were the teachers of the law back then) they were trying to keep the law and they missed the point, why Jesus came…The law came through Moses but Mercy, and grace and love came through Jesus Christ.. They didnt believe… they were proud men,.. they didnt understand… even in the Scriptures of the prophet Isaiah and others was written about Jesus Christ the messiah who was to come,… but they didnt believe…

    Til this day, some poeoples believed and still some who don’t want to believe… but blessed those who believed ,

    Jesus had to come and died in the hands of sinful men and deliver the world from sins… someone has to atone for the sins of the world…. Jesus Christ knew what he had to do…Jesus laid down his life in order to rescues mankind from thier sins…

    ..
    —-
    If you don’t believe.. no matter what I say or how I try to explain it to you..you still won’t believe…

    You said you were a Christian when you were young? and now you said you grew out of it? —

    hmm once you experience God’s Grace, Mercy and love in your life and walk with God,.. your life will never be the same again.. You will never grow out of it.. some people maybe get wonder off and capture by the world desires and stuff.. . but thier life wont be the same again.. but later they will realized what it was like walking with God they will come back to thier first love,..which is God….

    Jesus said those who the father has given him.. no one can snatch from Jus hands…


    Some people think they know God once and and they grew out of it.. hhhmm maybe they never reaally know knew God at all..

    I hear so many testimoney how God changes people life, from drugs addict to alcholism, families problems, etc…. only the power God change transform peoples life…

    every true believer has thier stories on how God touch thier heart and change thier life…

    its kinda like you feel the wind but you can really where its really going and coming from.. those leaf and sands and dirt blow cant really where the wind are coming from but its there..

    ok bro..thats all i can say .to you.. I don’t know how to explain it to you bro… since you don’t believe…

    ok peace out..take care..

    Lol, you don’t need to explain, if you don’t know. All I am saying is that before one go any further and deeper into an unknown, read and understand the Genesis. This is the foundation of all the problem where even god did understand… If you are going to preach this religion to another person, please let then read Genesis out loud, and have them understand the chaos and the confusion that god created. Understand the characters, the players, the setting, the protagonist and antagonist etc… and then ask why..? And by whom..?

    God in this setting seemed to be helpless, confused, and even surprised when discovering that Adam and Even had ate the fruit of knowledge…Did not seem to understand what the implication was to have a wicked snake in his garden, with his newly created couples.

    Since you believe in the holy genesis here is something to think about:

    Why did he put the wicked talking snake with Adam and Eve?
    Who was in charge of the daily operation of garden of Eden: God or the wicked talking snake?
    Did he know in his vision of what was going to happen, but he played cruel joke with them anyway? Or
    Did he not know or envision that they were going to betray him?
    Did he create the talking snake, and for what serving purpose?
    Did he underestimate the persuasive power and influence of the talking snake?
    What percentage should the snake, Adam, Eve and God share the burden of responsibility? Then who should know better: Was it God, Adam, Eve or the snake?

    Clearly God was caught off guard, and full of surprise and angry when he found out and curse each character involved in the screw up of his creation that would later defy any logical sense of judgment, and set up for the sequential failure one after another. He cursed the snake to eat dirt, Adam to tilt soil(hard labor), and Eve to bear a painful child birth…scratching head…Then he told them to go forth and multiply, why if they were sinners why did he still them to multiply? If the mold were bad, did not meet the specification why kept on reproducing?

    For whom this story was intended?

    When I read this story, I was too old for it,18 years old. It gives such wholesome of credibility to fact that Angkor was built by giants or celestial beings from heaven. Who want to argue that, when you can actually see Angkor is standing there before your very eyes, wide open…enormous stones stacked on top of each others with such precision that would have been impossible for any human could have imagined during that time.

    Then the question of Adam and eve being the parent of human being, which you have alluded to on many occasions. Let’s see: by the sound of their name, it appears that they were Caucasian(pale white). So among them they gave birth to Abel and Cain(both of them were boys, some serious incest was going on here in order to go forth and multiply). Then at what point of evolution(OOPP I said the forbidden word) that the blacks, and the Chinese started to emerge from the jungle? There are three races(white, black and Chinese) that are parallel to each other, i.e the combination of the two would not produce the other one.

    Could it be then that God had created three garden of Eden, and the he just forgot to mention the other two in his books…Since bibles are not supposed to be the depository of the world event anyway? Or we just have two other Gods who created the Black and the Chinese, but too shy to claim the credits?

    You see, in Buddhism, the keyword is uncertainty or undefined or like PI in mathematics. What happened in story of garden of Eden is governed by this very law of uncertainty that would have seen pervaded though out our life. That no one can escape, Christian God at that time was no exception. Christian have been led to believe that this were as result of Adam and Eve disobedience/sin…But how could that be since sin(uncertainty) was there before even Adam and Eve were created. If the garden were clean if sin(certain)before they were created, then such holiness would have been able to support their well-being that would have ensured the certainty of every aspect of life… Everything would have been so predictable and would turn out exactly as God’s plan. Every life born were as result of God’s plan, and so does every move that anything makes: From earth quake in Haiti to human sufferings in Africa to genocide in Cambodia etc…Is this what we want to know and give credit to, even if he(god) was part of it?

    I, for one, would like to think, believe and say that if there was God, that was not part of his plan. If that was his plan, his must have been under the influence of the uncertainty. The one that he could not control.

    God means no harm, own no nation, favor no race, punish no one because of one association, but because of one’s merit and deed through out their life. He/She must be a transcended and universal, whether one know Him/Her or hear His/Her teaching or not, but when one chooses to commit a life long of doing good deed and collect merits. Presume no one as sinner, but of their action and uttering…

    That is He who we should seek His enlightenment.

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    Khmerin,

    I already read Genesis and I accept what it says…. your jumping from one issue to another issue and back to the same issue you been having problems with for years now in the religion post…. you read somewhere about Christianity or you saw something somewhere about Christianity and you bring that arguements up… sometimes you got your facts all wrong… (example: you said Abraham married his own sister sarah but it was not even true at all…)… ..


    I see your problems… You always asked why was that lying serpent there in the garden of eden .., and why did God plant that tree of the knowledge of good evil there… ..

    I don’t know why God allowed it to be there… the bible just say it was there… and Adam and Eve disobey God…

    You can’t accept the concept that your only a man a human being… your human mind can’t possibly understand the plans of God… you can’t grasp that idea cant you… things might look chaos to you cause you don’t understand God’s plans… and here your judging God,..by saying if you were God you would do this way and that way… but your not God… .


    just a simple step of faith…you make things complicated…


    I don’t knw bro… If you don’t want to believed , — ok i hope this is the last time u ask me why God allowed the evil serpent and the tree of knowledge of good and evil there..heehee

    ok.. peace out of here topic…:)

    [i]Originally posted by khemrin[/i]

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    [i]Originally posted by Akara143[/i]
    Khmrin,..

    Yes, I believe the Holy bible and Genesis,…thats what called faith,..

    Jesus Christ was not proforming tricks like all these days magician heehee… These human magician like david coperfield u mention, all they do is tricks illusion…

    Jesus Christ was doing far more then that Jesus healing the sick, the leporsy, he also heal the paralized man,..opening eyes of the blinds… raised Lazarus from death…which only God can ..

    The Pharasee (who were the teachers of the law back then) they were trying to keep the law and they missed the point, why Jesus came…The law came through Moses but Mercy, and grace and love came through Jesus Christ.. They didnt believe… they were proud men,.. they didnt understand… even in the Scriptures of the prophet Isaiah and others was written about Jesus Christ the messiah who was to come,… but they didnt believe…

    Til this day, some poeoples believed and still some who don’t want to believe… but blessed those who believed ,

    Jesus had to come and died in the hands of sinful men and deliver the world from sins… someone has to atone for the sins of the world…. Jesus Christ knew what he had to do…Jesus laid down his life in order to rescues mankind from thier sins…

    ..
    —-
    If you don’t believe.. no matter what I say or how I try to explain it to you..you still won’t believe…

    You said you were a Christian when you were young? and now you said you grew out of it? —

    hmm once you experience God’s Grace, Mercy and love in your life and walk with God,.. your life will never be the same again.. You will never grow out of it.. some people maybe get wonder off and capture by the world desires and stuff.. . but thier life wont be the same again.. but later they will realized what it was like walking with God they will come back to thier first love,..which is God….

    Jesus said those who the father has given him.. no one can snatch from Jus hands…


    Some people think they know God once and and they grew out of it.. hhhmm maybe they never reaally know knew God at all..

    I hear so many testimoney how God changes people life, from drugs addict to alcholism, families problems, etc…. only the power God change transform peoples life…

    every true believer has thier stories on how God touch thier heart and change thier life…

    its kinda like you feel the wind but you can really where its really going and coming from.. those leaf and sands and dirt blow cant really where the wind are coming from but its there..

    ok bro..thats all i can say .to you.. I don’t know how to explain it to you bro… since you don’t believe…

    ok peace out..take care..

    Lol, you don’t need to explain, if you don’t know. All I am saying is that before one go any further and deeper into an unknown, read and understand the Genesis. This is the foundation of all the problem where even god did understand… If you are going to preach this religion to another person, please let then read Genesis out loud, and have them understand the chaos and the confusion that god created. Understand the characters, the players, the setting, the protagonist and antagonist etc… and then ask why..? And by whom..?

    God in this setting seemed to be helpless, confused, and even surprised when discovering that Adam and Even had ate the fruit of knowledge…Did not seem to understand what the implication was to have a wicked snake in his garden, with his newly created couples.

    Since you believe in the holy genesis here is something to think about:

    Why did he put the wicked talking snake with Adam and Eve?
    Who was in charge of the daily operation of garden of Eden: God or the wicked talking snake?
    Did he know in his vision of what was going to happen, but he played cruel joke with them anyway? Or
    Did he not know or envision that they were going to betray him?
    Did he create the talking snake, and for what serving purpose?
    Did he underestimate the persuasive power and influence of the talking snake?
    What percentage should the snake, Adam, Eve and God share the burden of responsibility? Then who should know better: Was it God, Adam, Eve or the snake?

    Clearly God was caught off guard, and full of surprise and angry when he found out and curse each character involved in the screw up of his creation that would later defy any logical sense of judgment, and set up for the sequential failure one after another. He cursed the snake to eat dirt, Adam to tilt soil(hard labor), and Eve to bear a painful child birth…scratching head…Then he told them to go forth and multiply, why if they were sinners why did he still them to multiply? If the mold were bad, did not meet the specification why kept on reproducing?

    For whom this story was intended?

    When I read this story, I was too old for it,18 years old. It gives such wholesome of credibility to fact that Angkor was built by giants or celestial beings from heaven. Who want to argue that, when you can actually see Angkor is standing there before your very eyes, wide open…enormous stones stacked on top of each others with such precision that would have been impossible for any human could have imagined during that time.

    Then the question of Adam and eve being the parent of human being, which you have alluded to on many occasions. Let’s see: by the sound of their name, it appears that they were Caucasian(pale white). So among them they gave birth to Abel and Cain(both of them were boys, some serious incest was going on here in order to go forth and multiply). Then at what point of evolution(OOPP I said the forbidden word) that the blacks, and the Chinese started to emerge from the jungle? There are three races(white, black and Chinese) that are parallel to each other, i.e the combination of the two would not produce the other one.

    Could it be then that God had created three garden of Eden, and the he just forgot to mention the other two in his books…Since bibles are not supposed to be the depository of the world event anyway? Or we just have two other Gods who created the Black and the Chinese, but too shy to claim the credits?

    You see, in Buddhism, the keyword is uncertainty or undefined or like PI in mathematics. What happened in story of garden of Eden is governed by this very law of uncertainty that would have seen pervaded though out our life. That no one can escape, Christian God at that time was no exception. Christian have been led to believe that this were as result of Adam and Eve disobedience/sin…But how could that be since sin(uncertainty) was there before even Adam and Eve were created. If the garden were clean if sin(certain)before they were created, then such holiness would have been able to support their well-being that would have ensured the certainty of every aspect of life… Everything would have been so predictable and would turn out exactly as God’s plan. Every life born were as result of God’s plan, and so does every move that anything makes: From earth quake in Haiti to human sufferings in Africa to genocide in Cambodia etc…Is this what we want to know and give credit to, even if he(god) was part of it?

    I, for one, would like to think, believe and say that if there was God, that was not part of his plan. If that was his plan, his must have been under the influence of the uncertainty. The one that he could not control.

    God means no harm, own no nation, favor no race, punish no one because of one association, but because of one’s merit and deed through out their life. He/She must be a transcended and universal, whether one know Him/Her or hear His/Her teaching or not, but when one chooses to commit a life long of doing good deed and collect merits. Presume no one as sinner, but of their action and uttering…

    That is He who we should seek His enlightenment.

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    [i]Originally posted by Akara143[/i]

    I don’t know why God allowed it to be there… the bible just say it was there… and Adam and Eve disobey God…

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    I thought that was funny, thanks for the laugh :):)

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    Hey Legend,

    whats so funny with my line…? cause I don’t know… I dont find it funny..

    certains things God choose to reveal to us and certain things God choose not to reveal every details to us..


    Your the one who is funny.. you don’t believed in Jesus Christ.. Its gonna be funny alright when you die and next things you know is..there u stand be4 God…judegement..day..all the things that you’ve done in this life will be brought out in front of you…

    who’s gonna atone for all your sins..? yeah.. laugh now my friend..

    ———

    [i]Originally posted by Legends[/i]

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Akara143[/i]

    I don’t know why God allowed it to be there… the bible just say it was there… and Adam and Eve disobey God…

    [/quote]

    I thought that was funny, thanks for the laugh :):)[/quote]

    [Message last modified 07-07-2010 01:25pm by Akara143]

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    everybody sins in their lifetime. just because you say sorry doesn’t mean you’re a good person and deserve to be in heaven. the dalai lama doesn’t follow christian’s teaching, so he doesn’t belong up there?

    [i]Originally posted by Akara143[/i]
    Hey Legend,

    whats so funny with my line…? cause I don’t know… I dont find it funny..

    certains things God choose to reveal to us and certain things God choose not to reveal every details to us..


    Your the one who is funny.. you don’t believed in Jesus Christ.. Its gonna be funny alright when you die and next things you know is..there u stand be4 God…judegement..day..all the things that you’ve done in this life will be brought out in front of you…

    who’s gonna atone for all your sins..? yeah.. laugh now my friend..

    ———

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Legends[/i]

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Akara143[/i]

    I don’t know why God allowed it to be there… the bible just say it was there… and Adam and Eve disobey God…

    [/quote]

    I thought that was funny, thanks for the laugh :):)[/quote]

    [Message last modified 07-07-2010 01:25pm by Akara143][/quote]

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    [i]Originally posted by Akara143[/i]
    Hey Legend,

    whats so funny with my line…? cause I don’t know… I dont find it funny..

    certains things God choose to reveal to us and certain things God choose not to reveal every details to us..


    Your the one who is funny.. you don’t believed in Jesus Christ.. Its gonna be funny alright when you die and next things you know is..there u stand be4 God…judegement..day..all the things that you’ve done in this life will be brought out in front of you…

    who’s gonna atone for all your sins..? yeah.. laugh now my friend..

    ———

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Legends[/i]

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Akara143[/i]

    I don’t know why God allowed it to be there… the bible just say it was there… and Adam and Eve disobey God…

    [/quote]

    I thought that was funny, thanks for the laugh :):)[/quote]

    [Message last modified 07-07-2010 01:25pm by Akara143][/quote]

    ” don’t know why God allowed it to be there… the bible just say it was there.”

    To me, that sounds like blind faith, and in a book at that. I sure hope you know that the bible has been edited many times, with things taken out, as well as put in, and things that was not included. I for one, would never put my faith in a book that has been fitted for the audiance.

    When did I say I don’t believe in Jesus? I believe in Jesus and his techings. However, I don’t beleive he is what Christianty turned him into, I’m sure he would not have liked it.

    I have experienced death, and I can tell you that it is not like how you preach it to be. God isn’t what you think it is, and you aren’t what you think you are. I don’t understand how your religion tends to seperate you from what creates you. You are not seperate from that which has created you, and yourself.

    You or I will never understand what God is, however I can tell you what God isn’t, it is not Absolute being you preach from your bible. God does not judge your actions be it good or bad, because that is part of learning about yourself. God doesn’t care if you believe in it or not, because when you die you will know, and understand the experience that is so clear to you, because you have been there before.

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    [i]Originally posted by Akara143[/i]
    Khmerin,

    I already read Genesis and I accept what it says…. your jumping from one issue to another issue and back to the same issue you been having problems with for years now in the religion post…. you read somewhere about Christianity or you saw something somewhere about Christianity and you bring that arguements up… sometimes you got your facts all wrong… (example: you said Abraham married his own sister sarah but it was not even true at all…)… ..

    Akara,

    Genesis should not be my problem, but Christian problem. I am only pointing out its flaw that led to people have to convert or confess to something that they either don’t know or don’t understand, and you had just proved that: I don’t know why God allowed it to be there… the bible just say it was there… and Adam and Eve disobey God…

    Was it me who who got the fact wrong or Abraham who misled other to believe so? I was just checking…I mean would anyone, in order to protect your own wife had to lie that it was your sister? It is just ridiculous, isn’t it?

    [i]Originally posted by Akara143[/i]
    I see your problems… You always asked why was that lying serpent there in the garden of eden .., and why did God plant that tree of the knowledge of good evil there… ..

    I don’t know why God allowed it to be there… the bible just say it was there… and Adam and Eve disobey God…

    Nowadays, I read this thing for a good laugh. And it bother me at the same time, when I see people(especially Khmer convert) really believe and argue in its defense vigorously. Are they really/seriously believe in this thing?

    [i]Originally posted by Akara143[/i]

    You can’t accept the concept that your only a man a human being… your human mind can’t possibly understand the plans of God… you can’t grasp that idea cant you… things might look chaos to you cause you don’t understand God’s plans… and here your judging God,..by saying if you were God you would do this way and that way… but your not God… .

    What I am saying is I expect Almighty, omniscient and omnipresent God to do better and to know better. That is:

    Why if they were sinners why did he still wanted them to go forth and multiply? If the mold were bad, did not meet the specification why kept on reproducing?

    Is this so hard of a concept that God could not understand then?

    [i]Originally posted by Akara143[/i]
    Khmerin,

    I already read Genesis and I accept what it says…. your jumping from one issue to another issue and back to the same issue you been having problems with for years now in the religion post…. you read somewhere about Christianity or you saw something somewhere about Christianity and you bring that arguements up… sometimes you got your facts all wrong… (example: you said Abraham married his own sister sarah but it was not even true at all…)… ..

    Akara,

    Genesis should not be my problem, but Christian problem. I am only pointing out its flaw that led to people have to convert or confess to something that they either don’t know or don’t understand, and you had just proved that: I don’t know why God allowed it to be there… the bible just say it was there… and Adam and Eve disobey God…

    Was it me who who got the fact wrong or Abraham who misled other to believe so? I was just checking…I mean would anyone, in order to protect your own wife had to lie that it was your sister? It is just ridiculous, isn’t it?

    [i]Originally posted by Akara143[/i]
    I see your problems… You always asked why was that lying serpent there in the garden of eden .., and why did God plant that tree of the knowledge of good evil there… ..

    I don’t know why God allowed it to be there… the bible just say it was there… and Adam and Eve disobey God…

    Nowadays, I read this thing for a good laugh. And it bother me at the same time, when I see people(especially Khmer convert) really believe and argue in its defense vigorously. Are they really/seriously believe in this thing?

    [i]Originally posted by Akara143[/i]
    I don’t knw bro… If you don’t want to believed , — ok i hope this is the last time u ask me why God allowed the evil serpent and the tree of knowledge of good and evil there..heehee

    ok.. peace out of here topic…:)

    lol, you ask me to stop asking you, so you can go on preaching uncontested. I have never asked you to stop preaching, why do you ask me to stop asking? :) And if you keep on preaching the same thing, then I will ask the same question. Especially the Genesis and the garden of eden. As I told you, this was the source, the bass of their religious foundation. If it is not holding the water, then it is just a bunch of lies.

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    Legend,

    So are You saying you believed in Jesus Christ as the son of God, who is also God.. who came down from Heaven and became man and then gave his life and died on the cross for the sins of the world, and after 3 days was raised back to life? and if you believed and repent of your sins and ask Jesus Christ to come into your heart to be your lord and savior and you shall be saved. And when you die..you will go to heaven…

    this is the main core of Christianity… Do you Have Jesus Christ in your heart.. without this ..its nothing..

    The Holy bible is our hand book..

    The muslims believe in Jesus Christ too but they say he is a prophet only… well that doesnt cut it… Jesus Christ is more than that…
    —-

    Why do you called Christians blind faith? We believer speak of what we know and have experience with God..

    you are judging me.. and many others Christians…

    —–

    Please my khmer brother.. your not the only one who experience near death… 17 years I got shot and I almost died.. thought I was gonna die… lost so much blood..couldnt even see anything around me or talk.. past out.. a few weeks in I.C.U with a breathing machine attached to my neck.. 2 months in the hospital..and 3 months in rehab hospital facility… it is by the grace of God that i am still alive here…

    ———

    But hey, you have your own faith..and I have mine… Im not laughing at yours.. but your laughing at mine..

    please..

    [i]Originally posted by Legends[/i]

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Akara143[/i]
    Hey Legend,

    whats so funny with my line…? cause I don’t know… I dont find it funny..

    certains things God choose to reveal to us and certain things God choose not to reveal every details to us..


    Your the one who is funny.. you don’t believed in Jesus Christ.. Its gonna be funny alright when you die and next things you know is..there u stand be4 God…judegement..day..all the things that you’ve done in this life will be brought out in front of you…

    who’s gonna atone for all your sins..? yeah.. laugh now my friend..

    ———

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Legends[/i]

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Akara143[/i]

    I don’t know why God allowed it to be there… the bible just say it was there… and Adam and Eve disobey God…

    [/quote]

    I thought that was funny, thanks for the laugh :):)[/quote]

    [Message last modified 07-07-2010 01:25pm by Akara143][/quote]

    ” don’t know why God allowed it to be there… the bible just say it was there.”

    To me, that sounds like blind faith, and in a book at that. I sure hope you know that the bible has been edited many times, with things taken out, as well as put in, and things that was not included. I for one, would never put my faith in a book that has been fitted for the audiance.

    When did I say I don’t believe in Jesus? I believe in Jesus and his techings. However, I don’t beleive he is what Christianty turned him into, I’m sure he would not have liked it.

    I have experienced death, and I can tell you that it is not like how you preach it to be. God isn’t what you think it is, and you aren’t what you think you are. I don’t understand how your religion tends to seperate you from what creates you. You are not seperate from that which has created you, and yourself.

    You or I will never understand what God is, however I can tell you what God isn’t, it is not Absolute being you preach from your bible. God does not judge your actions be it good or bad, because that is part of learning about yourself. God doesn’t care if you believe in it or not, because when you die you will know, and understand the experience that is so clear to you, because you have been there before.

    [/quote]

    [Message last modified 07-07-2010 08:39pm by Akara143]

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    Hey khmerin,

    Listen up,..

    I didnt say anything that ask you to stop asking…go reread my earlier post again about me asking you to stop… I said why you keep asking the same questions over and over again.. even though I already explain it to you thats all..

    Hey if people have questions about God on here and if I can help I will try to answer them the best of my ability… Im not preaching you..those who wanna know I will tell them about the bible..

    man..stop taking my words and twist it around ..your acting like the serpent in the garden of eden..

    ————-

    You either have faith or you don’t plain and simple… nough said…

    ———

    peace..

    [i]Originally posted by khemrin[/i]

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Akara143[/i]
    Khmerin,

    I already read Genesis and I accept what it says…. your jumping from one issue to another issue and back to the same issue you been having problems with for years now in the religion post…. you read somewhere about Christianity or you saw something somewhere about Christianity and you bring that arguements up… sometimes you got your facts all wrong… (example: you said Abraham married his own sister sarah but it was not even true at all…)… ..

    Akara,

    Genesis should not be my problem, but Christian problem. I am only pointing out its flaw that led to people have to convert or confess to something that they either don’t know or don’t understand, and you had just proved that: I don’t know why God allowed it to be there… the bible just say it was there… and Adam and Eve disobey God…

    Was it me who who got the fact wrong or Abraham who misled other to believe so? I was just checking…I mean would anyone, in order to protect your own wife had to lie that it was your sister? It is just ridiculous, isn’t it?

    [i]Originally posted by Akara143[/i]
    I see your problems… You always asked why was that lying serpent there in the garden of eden .., and why did God plant that tree of the knowledge of good evil there… ..

    I don’t know why God allowed it to be there… the bible just say it was there… and Adam and Eve disobey God…

    Nowadays, I read this thing for a good laugh. And it bother me at the same time, when I see people(especially Khmer convert) really believe and argue in its defense vigorously. Are they really/seriously believe in this thing?

    [i]Originally posted by Akara143[/i]

    You can’t accept the concept that your only a man a human being… your human mind can’t possibly understand the plans of God… you can’t grasp that idea cant you… things might look chaos to you cause you don’t understand God’s plans… and here your judging God,..by saying if you were God you would do this way and that way… but your not God… .

    What I am saying is I expect Almighty, omniscient and omnipresent God to do better and to know better. That is:

    Why if they were sinners why did he still wanted them to go forth and multiply? If the mold were bad, did not meet the specification why kept on reproducing?

    Is this so hard of a concept that God could not understand then?

    [i]Originally posted by Akara143[/i]
    Khmerin,

    I already read Genesis and I accept what it says…. your jumping from one issue to another issue and back to the same issue you been having problems with for years now in the religion post…. you read somewhere about Christianity or you saw something somewhere about Christianity and you bring that arguements up… sometimes you got your facts all wrong… (example: you said Abraham married his own sister sarah but it was not even true at all…)… ..

    Akara,

    Genesis should not be my problem, but Christian problem. I am only pointing out its flaw that led to people have to convert or confess to something that they either don’t know or don’t understand, and you had just proved that: I don’t know why God allowed it to be there… the bible just say it was there… and Adam and Eve disobey God…

    Was it me who who got the fact wrong or Abraham who misled other to believe so? I was just checking…I mean would anyone, in order to protect your own wife had to lie that it was your sister? It is just ridiculous, isn’t it?

    [i]Originally posted by Akara143[/i]
    I see your problems… You always asked why was that lying serpent there in the garden of eden .., and why did God plant that tree of the knowledge of good evil there… ..

    I don’t know why God allowed it to be there… the bible just say it was there… and Adam and Eve disobey God…

    Nowadays, I read this thing for a good laugh. And it bother me at the same time, when I see people(especially Khmer convert) really believe and argue in its defense vigorously. Are they really/seriously believe in this thing?

    [i]Originally posted by Akara143[/i]
    I don’t knw bro… If you don’t want to believed , — ok i hope this is the last time u ask me why God allowed the evil serpent and the tree of knowledge of good and evil there..heehee

    ok.. peace out of here topic…:)

    lol, you ask me to stop asking you, so you can go on preaching uncontested. I have never asked you to stop preaching, why do you ask me to stop asking? :) And if you keep on preaching the same thing, then I will ask the same question. Especially the Genesis and the garden of eden. As I told you, this was the source, the bass of their religious foundation. If it is not holding the water, then it is just a bunch of lies.

    [/quote]

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    [i]Originally posted by Akara143[/i]
    Legend,

    So are You saying you believed in Jesus Christ as the son of God, who is also God.. who came down from Heaven and became man and then gave his life and died on the cross for the sins of the world, and after 3 days was raised back to life? and if you believed and repent of your sins and ask Jesus Christ to come into your heart to be your lord and savior and you shall be saved. And when you die..you will go to heaven…

    this is the main core of Christianity… Do you Have Jesus Christ in your heart.. without this ..its nothing..

    The muslims believe in Jesus Christ too but they say he is a prophet only… well that doesnt cut it…
    —-

    Why do you called Christians blind faith? We believer speak of what we know and have experience with God..

    you are judging me.. and many others Christians…

    —–

    Please my khmer brother.. your not the only one who experience near death… 17 years I got shot and I almost died.. thought I was gonna die… lost so much blood..couldnt even see anything around me or talk.. past out.. a few weeks in I.C.U with a breathing machine attached to my neck.. 2 months in the hospital..and 3 months in rehab hospital facility… it is by the grace of God that i am still alive here…

    ———

    But hey, you have your own faith..and I have mine… Im not laughing at yours.. but your laughing at mine..


    please..

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Legends[/i]

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Akara143[/i]
    Hey Legend,

    whats so funny with my line…? cause I don’t know… I dont find it funny..

    certains things God choose to reveal to us and certain things God choose not to reveal every details to us..


    Your the one who is funny.. you don’t believed in Jesus Christ.. Its gonna be funny alright when you die and next things you know is..there u stand be4 God…judegement..day..all the things that you’ve done in this life will be brought out in front of you…

    who’s gonna atone for all your sins..? yeah.. laugh now my friend..

    ———

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Legends[/i]

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Akara143[/i]

    I don’t know why God allowed it to be there… the bible just say it was there… and Adam and Eve disobey God…

    [/quote]

    I thought that was funny, thanks for the laugh :):)[/quote]

    [Message last modified 07-07-2010 01:25pm by Akara143][/quote]

    ” don’t know why God allowed it to be there… the bible just say it was there.”

    To me, that sounds like blind faith, and in a book at that. I sure hope you know that the bible has been edited many times, with things taken out, as well as put in, and things that was not included. I for one, would never put my faith in a book that has been fitted for the audiance.

    When did I say I don’t believe in Jesus? I believe in Jesus and his techings. However, I don’t beleive he is what Christianty turned him into, I’m sure he would not have liked it.

    I have experienced death, and I can tell you that it is not like how you preach it to be. God isn’t what you think it is, and you aren’t what you think you are. I don’t understand how your religion tends to seperate you from what creates you. You are not seperate from that which has created you, and yourself.

    You or I will never understand what God is, however I can tell you what God isn’t, it is not Absolute being you preach from your bible. God does not judge your actions be it good or bad, because that is part of learning about yourself. God doesn’t care if you believe in it or not, because when you die you will know, and understand the experience that is so clear to you, because you have been there before.

    [/quote]
    [/quote]

    I believe in Jesus the man, not the myth. I never said Christians had blind faith, I said you’re quote sounded like blind faith. You said “” don’t know why God allowed it to be there… the bible just say it was there”.

    I have nothing against Christians, I only dislike the “You will go to hell if you don’t ask god for forgiveness”, “God will not accept you if you have no faith or belief in him”. That is all a load of rubbish, are you so blind to see why it is? What is the best way to gain followers? That is to threaten them if they don’t accept, however it seems Christianity has evolved from what it once was. Luckily now in this age, we are more aware of the world around us.

    My “Death experience” did not consist of almost dieing and being saved by “GOD”. It was the utter detachment of my Ego and myself. I recall my experience, I can tell you that there is no soul. But, groups of energies that join together to create you, and to join in the experience as well observer your life. When you die, those energies go back to the earth, to be part of another Universe that co-exist with our human lives, however we aren’t aware of it, but it is there. We are there creations so they can experience a different level of experience that they cannot at their point of existence. They help us evolve physically, as well as spiritually so we can be more aware and extend the creation to another level of existence. Christ, and Buddha and all Great teachers are there creation to assist us in our evolution of the physical as well as the spiritual. They do not know what God truly is and how it came to be, however they showed me the stream, they said that stream is god we being the energies that is carried by god, along that path that god creates be it good or bad. Though they seem separate they are all one. They are your creators, and they are you. Respect Earth, respect the beings around you. They are all you. No one will ever harm you but yourself, or cast you to a hell but yourself, or love you unconditionally, but yourself.

    [Message last modified 07-07-2010 09:17pm by Legends]

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    Hey Arroz, since you ask the question I will tell you what the bible say about sins..and Christian believed..


    okay first we agreed that this is a sinful world right? and second we agreed that all are sinners here on earth right?

    The bible stated that we are all sinners here on earth and all fall short of the glorious standard of God.. all human have sins and that no one is righteous or without sin.. only God is perfect without siin.. .Okay here is God who is without sin…………………and here is us human sinners..

    there is a gap bettween human and God, since God is holy and without sin..and human have sins, both doesnt mix together, just like oil and water, they dont mix together, oil and water repel each other..

    Since us human have sins, we and can’t saved ourselves , so someone has to saved us.. so someone has to atone for our sins, someone to take the penalty and punishment for our sins in our place…

    the bible stated,.. in Chapter John 3:16..that

    16 “For God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. 17 God sent his Son into the world not to judge the world, but to save the world through him ”


    God sent his one and only son Jesus Christ to take our penalty and punishment on the cross… Jesus came down from Heaven willingly and became a man like one of us and Jesus Christ suffer and died in the hands of sinners .. Jesus Christ reddem us from our sins, he bought us by his life and blood, Jesus Christ came to freed us from the bondage of sins… Jesus laid down his life for all of us sinners in the world for mankind, past present and future…. Jesus was crucified and died, but after 3 days later was raised to life… and now is at the right of God the father in Heaven.. now because Jesus Christ took our punishment for our sins…because of what Jesus Christ did on the cross 2000 years ago… We now have acess to God,..

    Now, for us to go to heaven when we die… all we have to do is believed that Jesus Christ is the son of God, and that he came and died on the cross for your sins.. just pray put your trust and faith in Jesus Christ,.. just repent admit that your a sinner and just ask Jesus Christ to forgive all of your sins, and invite Jesus Christ to come into your heart to be your personal lord and savior… snd thats it,..your name will be written in the book of life.. and God will give you the holy spirit..as a seal to show that you belong to God.. the holy spirit will guide u and show you the way …thats it ..its that simple… if you want the full experience ..get baptised too..

    the bible said salvation is a gift from God,..you cant buy it.. or work for it.. its a gift from God so that you cant boast about it… you cant just say sorry and go to heaven..you have to repent of your sins and by having faith in Jesus Christ alone..

    It doesnt matter if you are the Dalai lama or President Obama or the king of Cambodia..It desnt matter if your are rich or poor.. they all are human.. all have sins and fall short of God standard..

    God doesnt judge a person by thier outside appearance.. God jusge a person by
    thier heart.. only faith can please God.. without faith its hard to please God..

    The bible sounds fairytales to those who have no faith and to those who doesnt believe… the bible stated that the bible is foolished to those who are perishing…

    Ok Arroz.. you asked so I try to explained to you.. I cant make you believe ..only you has that decision..

    ok brother.. have a good day..open your heart ..

    Peace out..God bless..

    [i]Originally posted by Arroz[/i]
    everybody sins in their lifetime. just because you say sorry doesn’t mean you’re a good person and deserve to be in heaven. the dalai lama doesn’t follow christian’s teaching, so he doesn’t belong up there?

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Akara143[/i]
    Hey Legend,

    whats so funny with my line…? cause I don’t know… I dont find it funny..

    certains things God choose to reveal to us and certain things God choose not to reveal every details to us..


    Your the one who is funny.. you don’t believed in Jesus Christ.. Its gonna be funny alright when you die and next things you know is..there u stand be4 God…judegement..day..all the things that you’ve done in this life will be brought out in front of you…

    who’s gonna atone for all your sins..? yeah.. laugh now my friend..

    ———

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Legends[/i]

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Akara143[/i]

    I don’t know why God allowed it to be there… the bible just say it was there… and Adam and Eve disobey God…

    [/quote]

    I thought that was funny, thanks for the laugh :):)[/quote]

    [Message last modified 07-07-2010 01:25pm by Akara143][/quote]
    [/quote]

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    Okay Legend,.. .dude listen up… Now lets stay on this topic first..

    All Christians who believed in the bible, we believed that the bible is the word of God, ok.. we all don’t know why God put that tree of the knowledge of good and evil there and also we don’t know why the evil serpent was near by there also… because the bible doesnt tell us why… ok.. I said.. in my earlier post that I don’t why it was there.. because God doesnt reveal to us why they were there, certain things God choose to reveal to us why and certain God doesnt reveal everything to us … ……

    Now since I don’t know why , other Christians dosent know why either..because the bible doesnt tell us why..

    okay, ? and you laugh at me and you thought that it was funny..because I said that I dont know why..and you said that sound like a blind faith.. a blind faith?.. then your saying to other Christian also ..that they have a blind faith too.. because other Christians believe in the bible and also doesnt know why either ..get it?

    Now I’m not Judging you, but your judging me by saying I have blind faith…

    it maybe a myth to you but not to others…

    —–
    alright peace out.. hey its america.. believed in whatever you want to believed..

    [i]Originally posted by Legends[/i]
    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Akara143[/i]
    Legend,

    So are You saying you believed in Jesus Christ as the son of God, who is also God.. who came down from Heaven and became man and then gave his life and died on the cross for the sins of the world, and after 3 days was raised back to life? and if you believed and repent of your sins and ask Jesus Christ to come into your heart to be your lord and savior and you shall be saved. And when you die..you will go to heaven…

    this is the main core of Christianity… Do you Have Jesus Christ in your heart.. without this ..its nothing..

    The muslims believe in Jesus Christ too but they say he is a prophet only… well that doesnt cut it…
    —-

    Why do you called Christians blind faith? We believer speak of what we know and have experience with God..

    you are judging me.. and many others Christians…

    —–

    Please my khmer brother.. your not the only one who experience near death… 17 years I got shot and I almost died.. thought I was gonna die… lost so much blood..couldnt even see anything around me or talk.. past out.. a few weeks in I.C.U with a breathing machine attached to my neck.. 2 months in the hospital..and 3 months in rehab hospital facility… it is by the grace of God that i am still alive here…

    ———

    But hey, you have your own faith..and I have mine… Im not laughing at yours.. but your laughing at mine..


    please..

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Legends[/i]

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Akara143[/i]
    Hey Legend,

    whats so funny with my line…? cause I don’t know… I dont find it funny..

    certains things God choose to reveal to us and certain things God choose not to reveal every details to us..


    Your the one who is funny.. you don’t believed in Jesus Christ.. Its gonna be funny alright when you die and next things you know is..there u stand be4 God…judegement..day..all the things that you’ve done in this life will be brought out in front of you…

    who’s gonna atone for all your sins..? yeah.. laugh now my friend..

    ———

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Legends[/i]

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Akara143[/i]

    I don’t know why God allowed it to be there… the bible just say it was there… and Adam and Eve disobey God…

    [/quote]

    I thought that was funny, thanks for the laugh :):)[/quote]

    [Message last modified 07-07-2010 01:25pm by Akara143][/quote]

    ” don’t know why God allowed it to be there… the bible just say it was there.”

    To me, that sounds like blind faith, and in a book at that. I sure hope you know that the bible has been edited many times, with things taken out, as well as put in, and things that was not included. I for one, would never put my faith in a book that has been fitted for the audiance.

    When did I say I don’t believe in Jesus? I believe in Jesus and his techings. However, I don’t beleive he is what Christianty turned him into, I’m sure he would not have liked it.

    I have experienced death, and I can tell you that it is not like how you preach it to be. God isn’t what you think it is, and you aren’t what you think you are. I don’t understand how your religion tends to seperate you from what creates you. You are not seperate from that which has created you, and yourself.

    You or I will never understand what God is, however I can tell you what God isn’t, it is not Absolute being you preach from your bible. God does not judge your actions be it good or bad, because that is part of learning about yourself. God doesn’t care if you believe in it or not, because when you die you will know, and understand the experience that is so clear to you, because you have been there before.

    [/quote]
    [/quote]

    I believe in Jesus the man, not the myth. I never said Christians had blind faith, I said you’re quote sounded like blind faith. You said “” don’t know why God allowed it to be there… the bible just say it was there”.

    I have nothing against Christians, I only dislike the “You will go to hell if you don’t ask god for forgiveness”, “God will not accept you if you have no faith or belief in him”. That is all a load of rubbish, are you so blind to see why it is? What is the best way to gain followers? That is to threaten them if they don’t accept, however it seems Christianity has evolved from what it once was. Luckily now in this age, we are more aware of the world around us.

    My “Death experience” did not consist of almost dieing and being saved by “GOD”. It was the utter detachment of my Ego and myself. I recall my experience, I can tell you that there is no soul. But, groups of energies that join together to create you, and to join in the experience as well observer your life. When you die, those energies go back to the earth, to be part of another Universe that co-exist with our human lives, however we aren’t aware of it, but it is there. We are there creations so they can experience a different level of experience that they cannot at their point of existence. They help us evolve physically, as well as spiritually so we can be more aware and extend the creation to another level of existence. Christ, and Buddha and all Great teachers are there creation to assist us in our evolution of the physical as well as the spiritual. They do not know what God truly is and how it came to be, however they showed me the stream, they said that stream is god we being the energies that is carried by god, along that path that god creates be it good or bad. Though they seem separate they are all one. They are your creators, and they are you. Respect Earth, respect the beings around you. They are all you. No one will ever harm you but yourself, or cast you to a hell but yourself, or love you unconditionally, but yourself.

    [Message last modified 07-07-2010 09:17pm by Legends][/quote]

    [Message last modified 07-07-2010 11:39pm by Akara143]

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    I don’t buy that we were born sinners. We may sin throughout life. If a baby dies will he/she be rejected by God? What kind of God would reject an innocent baby?

    I’m not here to get people to not believe in what they believe. It really doesn’t bother me. It does bother me when christians or any other religion for that matter preach that the only way to God is through their religion.

    My heart was open to religion but after seeing what religion does, I’m content to be out of it. Yes I’ve read the bible. The more i read, the more i want to distant myself from it.

    I have to agree with Legend that sometimes people follow blindly. If I don’t agree with the bible then I have to make the judgement that it’s not for me.

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    [i]Originally posted by Akara143[/i]
    Okay Legend,.. .dude listen up… Now lets stay on this topic first..

    All Christians who believed in the bible, we believed that the bible is the word of God, ok.. we all don’t know why God put that tree of the knowledge of good and evil there and also we don’t know why the evil serpent was near by there also… because the bible doesnt tell us why… ok.. I said.. in my earlier post that I don’t why it was there.. because God doesnt reveal to us why they were there, certain things God choose to reveal to us why and certain God doesnt reveal everything to us … ……

    Now since I don’t know why , other Christians dosent know why either..because the bible doesnt tell us why..

    okay, ? and you laugh at me and you thought that it was funny..because I said that I dont know why..and you said that sound like a blind faith.. a blind faith?.. then your saying to other Christian also ..that they have a blind faith too.. because other Christians believe in the bible and also doesnt know why either ..get it?

    Now I’m not Judging you, but your judging me by saying I have blind faith…

    it maybe a myth to you but not to others…

    —–
    alright peace out.. hey its america.. believed in whatever you want to believed..

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Legends[/i]
    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Akara143[/i]
    Legend,

    So are You saying you believed in Jesus Christ as the son of God, who is also God.. who came down from Heaven and became man and then gave his life and died on the cross for the sins of the world, and after 3 days was raised back to life? and if you believed and repent of your sins and ask Jesus Christ to come into your heart to be your lord and savior and you shall be saved. And when you die..you will go to heaven…

    this is the main core of Christianity… Do you Have Jesus Christ in your heart.. without this ..its nothing..

    The muslims believe in Jesus Christ too but they say he is a prophet only… well that doesnt cut it…
    —-

    Why do you called Christians blind faith? We believer speak of what we know and have experience with God..

    you are judging me.. and many others Christians…

    —–

    Please my khmer brother.. your not the only one who experience near death… 17 years I got shot and I almost died.. thought I was gonna die… lost so much blood..couldnt even see anything around me or talk.. past out.. a few weeks in I.C.U with a breathing machine attached to my neck.. 2 months in the hospital..and 3 months in rehab hospital facility… it is by the grace of God that i am still alive here…

    ———

    But hey, you have your own faith..and I have mine… Im not laughing at yours.. but your laughing at mine..


    please..

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Legends[/i]

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Akara143[/i]
    Hey Legend,

    whats so funny with my line…? cause I don’t know… I dont find it funny..

    certains things God choose to reveal to us and certain things God choose not to reveal every details to us..


    Your the one who is funny.. you don’t believed in Jesus Christ.. Its gonna be funny alright when you die and next things you know is..there u stand be4 God…judegement..day..all the things that you’ve done in this life will be brought out in front of you…

    who’s gonna atone for all your sins..? yeah.. laugh now my friend..

    ———

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Legends[/i]

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Akara143[/i]

    I don’t know why God allowed it to be there… the bible just say it was there… and Adam and Eve disobey God…

    [/quote]

    I thought that was funny, thanks for the laugh :):)[/quote]

    [Message last modified 07-07-2010 01:25pm by Akara143][/quote]

    ” don’t know why God allowed it to be there… the bible just say it was there.”

    To me, that sounds like blind faith, and in a book at that. I sure hope you know that the bible has been edited many times, with things taken out, as well as put in, and things that was not included. I for one, would never put my faith in a book that has been fitted for the audiance.

    When did I say I don’t believe in Jesus? I believe in Jesus and his techings. However, I don’t beleive he is what Christianty turned him into, I’m sure he would not have liked it.

    I have experienced death, and I can tell you that it is not like how you preach it to be. God isn’t what you think it is, and you aren’t what you think you are. I don’t understand how your religion tends to seperate you from what creates you. You are not seperate from that which has created you, and yourself.

    You or I will never understand what God is, however I can tell you what God isn’t, it is not Absolute being you preach from your bible. God does not judge your actions be it good or bad, because that is part of learning about yourself. God doesn’t care if you believe in it or not, because when you die you will know, and understand the experience that is so clear to you, because you have been there before.

    [/quote]
    [/quote]

    I believe in Jesus the man, not the myth. I never said Christians had blind faith, I said you’re quote sounded like blind faith. You said “” don’t know why God allowed it to be there… the bible just say it was there”.

    I have nothing against Christians, I only dislike the “You will go to hell if you don’t ask god for forgiveness”, “God will not accept you if you have no faith or belief in him”. That is all a load of rubbish, are you so blind to see why it is? What is the best way to gain followers? That is to threaten them if they don’t accept, however it seems Christianity has evolved from what it once was. Luckily now in this age, we are more aware of the world around us.

    My “Death experience” did not consist of almost dieing and being saved by “GOD”. It was the utter detachment of my Ego and myself. I recall my experience, I can tell you that there is no soul. But, groups of energies that join together to create you, and to join in the experience as well observer your life. When you die, those energies go back to the earth, to be part of another Universe that co-exist with our human lives, however we aren’t aware of it, but it is there. We are there creations so they can experience a different level of experience that they cannot at their point of existence. They help us evolve physically, as well as spiritually so we can be more aware and extend the creation to another level of existence. Christ, and Buddha and all Great teachers are there creation to assist us in our evolution of the physical as well as the spiritual. They do not know what God truly is and how it came to be, however they showed me the stream, they said that stream is god we being the energies that is carried by god, along that path that god creates be it good or bad. Though they seem separate they are all one. They are your creators, and they are you. Respect Earth, respect the beings around you. They are all you. No one will ever harm you but yourself, or cast you to a hell but yourself, or love you unconditionally, but yourself.

    [Message last modified 07-07-2010 09:17pm by Legends][/quote]

    [Message last modified 07-07-2010 11:39pm by Akara143][/quote]

    Well, from your last post I’m going to stick with my notion that you are blindly following something with out a real understanding of it.

    Also, I have a question. If the Jewish people are god’s chosen people, and the salvation of mankind comes through the Jewish people, then how come they do not believe and even hate christ, and Christianity. Of course not all Jews do, but the majority do not believe in Jesus. I dare you to go to Israel and preach Christianity and find out what happens.

    Apparently – ” So… salvation is from God, but through the Jewish people and to all the world….”

    “The nation of Israel suffer alot throughout history… some because of thier unbelief and some for thier disobediant to God… but never the less.. Israel is God choosen people”

    God didnt choose Israel (Jewish people ) because they were the better peoples…No…God does not discriminate….but God do love people who believe and have faith in him…

    Now another one of your statments.

    God the father
    “God the son (who is Jesus Christ)”
    and God the Holy spirit…

    3 part but 1 God..

    So… Ya… okay, bit of contradiction there?

    Also,

    In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.[a] 2 The earth was formless and empty, and darkness covered the deep waters. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters.

    The earth was formless and empty, and darkness covered the deep waters.

    Formless
    adjective

    Having no definite form; shapeless. See Synonyms at shapeless.
    Lacking order.
    Having no material existence

    Empty
    adjective
    1 a : containing nothing b : not occupied or inhabited c :

    But, apparently there was water inside the earth when it was first formless and empty.

    So, did God create the earth, or was it already there for him to start his creation?

    Here is another one.

    “about DNA,.. were all from Adam and Eve.. the first male and female…”

    28. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it

    Replenish? Doesn’t that mean that they are re filling the earth with mankind once again, therfore Adam and Eve were not the first man and woman.

    There are many lines in the bible that do not make sense, and even contradict themselves. You put your faith in the bible and do not question the passages, and you’re only defense is , “because the bible says so”

    “Jesus warn of false teaching.. in the world..”

    Yes, there are definetly some false teaching in the world, I bet it is one of the more prominent teachings too.

    [Message last modified 07-08-2010 01:22pm by Legends]

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    Arroz,…you just dont understand thats why..

    Who told you that when a little baby died that they don’t go to Heaven? I didnt tell you that..Let me say this.. When a baby died, the baby go to heaven to be with the lord God…Because the baby doesnt know right from wrong yet… the baby didnt sin … but when your older and you know right from wroong and yet you choose to sin by your own free will..then you have sin..

    Also, those who never had a chance to hear the word of God be4 (which is the bible, the gospel, the good news) and when they died , God will judge thier lives by how they lived on earth, God will judge thier motives and how they lived and the things that they’ve done…..
    God is righteous…and God will be fair..

    Do you know how sins caame into the world?
    The bible stated that were all sinners, born sinners,.. what it mean is.. because Adam and Eve our greatest grandparents, the first man and woman here on earth, when Adam and Eve first disobey God, they sin against God.. ok.. and that sin passes down from them to thier kids, and passes from their kids to thier kids, kids… that sins passes down from generation to generation down the line…its like a viruses.. it spread down the line… down to you and me…ok.. so when get older we sins.. we know what is right and what is wrong but we choose sin anyway.. we know better not to lie but we ly anyways.. we know better not to cheat but we coose to cheat anyways.. we know better not to steal but we go steal anyways.. do you see how sins work? We know better not to do it..but we still do it..we cant be 100% good..you see…

    But God loves us so he sent his son Jesus Christ to atone for our sins.. Jesus Christ took the sins of the world upon his shoulder and reedem mankind from thier sins..

    so for you to go to heaven when you die.. just repent and put your trust and faith in Jesus Christ..the son of God, the one who died on the cross for your sins.. by asking Jesus Christ to forgive you of your sins..thats it.. like I wrte to you in earlier reply..

    Those who put thier trust and faith in Jesus Christ, they will not be judge because Jesus Christ already paid for thier sins on the cross.. thier faith makes them right with God.. but
    Those who have heard the word of God and refuse to believe in God, and in his son Jesus Christ..they will be judge…. because they choose not to believe… so they will pay for thier own sins….

    also, religion wont get you into heaven, just being a Christian wont get you into heaven.. only by putting your trust in Jesus Christ and by faith.. .

    these are not my words but God words what it says in the bible…


    A small note.. . be4 you read the bible ..your heart need to be right with God,..open your heart.. ask God to open the eyes of your heart and mind.. and ask God to fill you with the holy spirit of God so you can understand the bible when you read.. .. but without God holy spirit give you understand ..you will never understand the bible….

    ok my khmer brother.. I’m not here to judge you .. Im just here to answers your questions, and to tell you what the bible say.. I’m just here to try to explain it to you …

    … its a simple faith…bless are the simple hearts..

    take care..peace…. This might be it for the post reply..people have questions so I try to explained it the best I can but pople mock God, when they dont even understand, so whats the point of trying explain thins in here…

    peace..out..

    [i]Originally posted by Arroz[/i]
    I don’t buy that we were born sinners. We may sin throughout life. If a baby dies will he/she be rejected by God? What kind of God would reject an innocent baby?

    I’m not here to get people to not believe in what they believe. It really doesn’t bother me. It does bother me when christians or any other religion for that matter preach that the only way to God is through their religion.

    My heart was open to religion but after seeing what religion does, I’m content to be out of it. Yes I’ve read the bible. The more i read, the more i want to distant myself from it.

    I have to agree with Legend that sometimes people follow blindly. If I don’t agree with the bible then I have to make the judgement that it’s not for me.

    [Message last modified 07-08-2010 01:03pm by Akara143]

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    Akara, you are being brain-washed, it’s not too late to turn around. Many of these religous folks are fanatic because they made up all kinds of crazy stories. Anyway, here are some questions for you to think about.

    If all babies go to heaven, and then what’s next when those heavenly babies grow old? Or do they stay young forever? If not, at what age this so called G.O.D sends them back to Earth? Say, you live in heaven for over 3 billion years (that’s the age of our Earth) doing the same freaking things over and over what G.O.D telling you. Do you you think yourself as articial intelligence, no emotion what so ever or perhaps, just slave?

    [i]Originally posted by Akara143[/i]
    Arroz,…you just dont understand thats why..

    Who told you that when a little baby died that they don’t go to Heaven? I didnt tell you that..Let me say this.. When a baby died, the baby go to heaven to be with the lord God…Because the baby doesnt know right from wrong yet… the baby didnt sin … but when your older and you know right from wroong and yet you choose to sin by your own free will..then you have sin..

    Also, those who never had a chance to hear the word of God be4 (which is the bible, the gospel, the good news) and when they died , God will judge thier lives by how they lived on earth, God will judge thier motives and how they lived and the things that they’ve done…..
    God is righteous…and God will be fair..

    Do you know how sins caame into the world?
    The bible stated that were all sinners, born sinners,.. what it mean is.. because Adam and Eve our greatest grandparents, the first man and woman here on earth, when Adam and Eve first disobey God, they sin against God.. ok.. and that sin passes down from them to thier kids, and passes from their kids to thier kids, kids… that sins passes down from generation to generation down the line…its like a viruses.. it spread down the line… down to you and me…ok.. so when get older we sins.. we know what is right and what is wrong but we choose sin anyway.. we know better not to lie but we ly anyways.. we know better not to cheat but we coose to cheat anyways.. we know better not to steal but we go steal anyways.. do you see how sins work? We know better not to do it..but we still do it..we cant be 100% good..you see…

    But God loves us so he sent his son Jesus Christ to atone for our sins.. Jesus Christ took the sins of the world upon his shoulder and reedem mankind from thier sins..

    so for you to go to heaven when you die.. just repent and put your trust and faith in Jesus Christ..the son of God, the one who died on the cross for your sins.. by asking Jesus Christ to forgive you of your sins..thats it.. like I wrte to you in earlier reply..

    Those who put thier trust and faith in Jesus Christ, they will not be judge because Jesus Christ already paid for thier sins on the cross.. thier faith makes them right with God.. but
    Those who have heard the word of God and refuse to believe in God, and in his son Jesus Christ..they will be judge…. because they choose not to believe… so they will pay for thier own sins….

    also, religion wont get you into heaven, just being a Christian wont get you into heaven.. only by putting your trust in Jesus Christ and by faith.. .

    these are not my words but God words what it says in the bible…


    A small note.. . be4 you read the bible ..your heart need to be right with God,..open your heart.. ask God to open the eyes of your heart and mind.. and ask God to fill you with the holy spirit of God so you can understand the bible when you read.. .. but without God holy spirit give you understand ..you will never understand the bible….

    ok my khmer brother.. I’m not here to judge you .. Im just here to answers your questions, and to tell you what the bible say.. I’m just here to try to explain it to you …

    … its a simple faith…bless are the simple hearts..

    take care..peace…. This might be it for the post reply..people have questions so I try to explained it the best I can but pople mock God, when they dont even understand, so whats the point of trying explain thins in here…

    peace..out..

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Arroz[/i]
    I don’t buy that we were born sinners. We may sin throughout life. If a baby dies will he/she be rejected by God? What kind of God would reject an innocent baby?

    I’m not here to get people to not believe in what they believe. It really doesn’t bother me. It does bother me when christians or any other religion for that matter preach that the only way to God is through their religion.

    My heart was open to religion but after seeing what religion does, I’m content to be out of it. Yes I’ve read the bible. The more i read, the more i want to distant myself from it.

    I have to agree with Legend that sometimes people follow blindly. If I don’t agree with the bible then I have to make the judgement that it’s not for me.

    [Message last modified 07-08-2010 01:03pm by Akara143][/quote]

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    Okay Legend,

    So you believed in Jesus the man but not the myth? hhmmm myth? I’m abit confused here.. there is only one Jesus Christ in the holy bible.. The bible tells us about Jesus Christ is the son of God, who is also God, the one who came down from heaven and became a man..and died on the cross for the sins of the world.. and after 3 days..and was raised to life.. ..

    There is only one Jesus in the bible and in the last 2000 years… I dont know what book your reading.. but it aint the bible… we Christians read only holy bible..

    so you said you believed in Jesus Christ the man but you dont believe that Jesus Christ was the son of God, who came down from heaven and died on the cross the sins of the world and after 3 days and was raised to life?

    well then, I dont what books you’ve been reading.. the Jesus Christ that I know in the bible is the son of God.. who is also God, who came down from heaven and became man and died on the cross gor the sins of the world..

    I dont know what other Jesus your talking about then if its not the Jesus in the bible..

    what? you dare me to go to Israel and preach ? my khmer Brother..I dont need to go and preach in Israel.. there is a Christian tv station already in Isreal… preaching the word of God there 24 hours a day.. the station is call daystar.. TBN…look it up..if u dont believe.

    Also Millions of Christians go to Israel every years.. from all over the world go to see the holy land Israel..

    some things you dont even know and dont understand… with all do respects my khmer brother.. .

    this might be my last reply back… you ask questions and I tried to explain to you but you dont believed and mock me and God.. whats the point of telling you when u dont even believe… wste of time .

    also a quick note.. the Jews where the choosen people because of Abraham faith in God, so God blessed Abraham decendents.. Israel is the offspring of sarah and Abraham…. some of the Jews didnt believe back thenn.. they have no faith and they didnt understand ..they tried to keep the law of moses, ..they thouhgt the law would make them right with God but nope..only through faith in Jesus Christ make us right with God..they were trying to look for a sign..they wanted a sign from God and they missed the wholee oint why jesus came..but somes Jews do believed ..God blessed them…

    God does not care what color your skins is and what nationality your from.. God looks inside your heart..and your faith in him…only through faith can please God…Abraham believed God, and God blessed him..

    I believed and you dont..so no matter what I say..you still dont believe..mock all you want and laugh all you want..it does not matter at all.. the truth will always be the truth..and the truth is Jesus Christ in the son of God,.. who came down from heaven and died on the cross for the sins of the world,
    and after 3 days was raised back to life… those who believed and put thier trust in him will be saved from God judgement..and have an everlasting life…

    peace out..man..take care

    ..

    [i]Originally posted by Legends[/i]

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    [i]Originally posted by Akara143[/i]
    Okay Legend,.. .dude listen up… Now lets stay on this topic first..

    All Christians who believed in the bible, we believed that the bible is the word of God, ok.. we all don’t know why God put that tree of the knowledge of good and evil there and also we don’t know why the evil serpent was near by there also… because the bible doesnt tell us why… ok.. I said.. in my earlier post that I don’t why it was there.. because God doesnt reveal to us why they were there, certain things God choose to reveal to us why and certain God doesnt reveal everything to us … ……

    Now since I don’t know why , other Christians dosent know why either..because the bible doesnt tell us why..

    okay, ? and you laugh at me and you thought that it was funny..because I said that I dont know why..and you said that sound like a blind faith.. a blind faith?.. then your saying to other Christian also ..that they have a blind faith too.. because other Christians believe in the bible and also doesnt know why either ..get it?

    Now I’m not Judging you, but your judging me by saying I have blind faith…

    it maybe a myth to you but not to others…

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    alright peace out.. hey its america.. believed in whatever you want to believed..

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    [i]Originally posted by Legends[/i]
    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Akara143[/i]
    Legend,

    So are You saying you believed in Jesus Christ as the son of God, who is also God.. who came down from Heaven and became man and then gave his life and died on the cross for the sins of the world, and after 3 days was raised back to life? and if you believed and repent of your sins and ask Jesus Christ to come into your heart to be your lord and savior and you shall be saved. And when you die..you will go to heaven…

    this is the main core of Christianity… Do you Have Jesus Christ in your heart.. without this ..its nothing..

    The muslims believe in Jesus Christ too but they say he is a prophet only… well that doesnt cut it…
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    Why do you called Christians blind faith? We believer speak of what we know and have experience with God..

    you are judging me.. and many others Christians…

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    Please my khmer brother.. your not the only one who experience near death… 17 years I got shot and I almost died.. thought I was gonna die… lost so much blood..couldnt even see anything around me or talk.. past out.. a few weeks in I.C.U with a breathing machine attached to my neck.. 2 months in the hospital..and 3 months in rehab hospital facility… it is by the grace of God that i am still alive here…

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    But hey, you have your own faith..and I have mine… Im not laughing at yours.. but your laughing at mine..


    please..

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    [i]Originally posted by Legends[/i]

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Akara143[/i]
    Hey Legend,

    whats so funny with my line…? cause I don’t know… I dont find it funny..

    certains things God choose to reveal to us and certain things God choose not to reveal every details to us..


    Your the one who is funny.. you don’t believed in Jesus Christ.. Its gonna be funny alright when you die and next things you know is..there u stand be4 God…judegement..day..all the things that you’ve done in this life will be brought out in front of you…

    who’s gonna atone for all your sins..? yeah.. laugh now my friend..

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    [i]Originally posted by Legends[/i]

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    [i]Originally posted by Akara143[/i]

    I don’t know why God allowed it to be there… the bible just say it was there… and Adam and Eve disobey God…

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    I thought that was funny, thanks for the laugh :):)[/quote]

    [Message last modified 07-07-2010 01:25pm by Akara143][/quote]

    ” don’t know why God allowed it to be there… the bible just say it was there.”

    To me, that sounds like blind faith, and in a book at that. I sure hope you know that the bible has been edited many times, with things taken out, as well as put in, and things that was not included. I for one, would never put my faith in a book that has been fitted for the audiance.

    When did I say I don’t believe in Jesus? I believe in Jesus and his techings. However, I don’t beleive he is what Christianty turned him into, I’m sure he would not have liked it.

    I have experienced death, and I can tell you that it is not like how you preach it to be. God isn’t what you think it is, and you aren’t what you think you are. I don’t understand how your religion tends to seperate you from what creates you. You are not seperate from that which has created you, and yourself.

    You or I will never understand what God is, however I can tell you what God isn’t, it is not Absolute being you preach from your bible. God does not judge your actions be it good or bad, because that is part of learning about yourself. God doesn’t care if you believe in it or not, because when you die you will know, and understand the experience that is so clear to you, because you have been there before.

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    I believe in Jesus the man, not the myth. I never said Christians had blind faith, I said you’re quote sounded like blind faith. You said “” don’t know why God allowed it to be there… the bible just say it was there”.

    I have nothing against Christians, I only dislike the “You will go to hell if you don’t ask god for forgiveness”, “God will not accept you if you have no faith or belief in him”. That is all a load of rubbish, are you so blind to see why it is? What is the best way to gain followers? That is to threaten them if they don’t accept, however it seems Christianity has evolved from what it once was. Luckily now in this age, we are more aware of the world around us.

    My “Death experience” did not consist of almost dieing and being saved by “GOD”. It was the utter detachment of my Ego and myself. I recall my experience, I can tell you that there is no soul. But, groups of energies that join together to create you, and to join in the experience as well observer your life. When you die, those energies go back to the earth, to be part of another Universe that co-exist with our human lives, however we aren’t aware of it, but it is there. We are there creations so they can experience a different level of experience that they cannot at their point of existence. They help us evolve physically, as well as spiritually so we can be more aware and extend the creation to another level of existence. Christ, and Buddha and all Great teachers are there creation to assist us in our evolution of the physical as well as the spiritual. They do not know what God truly is and how it came to be, however they showed me the stream, they said that stream is god we being the energies that is carried by god, along that path that god creates be it good or bad. Though they seem separate they are all one. They are your creators, and they are you. Respect Earth, respect the beings around you. They are all you. No one will ever harm you but yourself, or cast you to a hell but yourself, or love you unconditionally, but yourself.

    [Message last modified 07-07-2010 09:17pm by Legends][/quote]

    [Message last modified 07-07-2010 11:39pm by Akara143][/quote]

    Well, from your last post I’m going to stick with my notion that you are blindly following something with out a real understanding of it.

    Also, I have a question. If the Jewish people are god’s chosen people, and the salvation of mankind comes through the Jewish people, then how come they do not believe and even hate christ, and Christianity. Of course not all Jews do, but the majority do not believe in Jesus. I dare you to go to Israel and preach Christianity and find out what happens.

    Apparently – ” So… salvation is from God, but through the Jewish people and to all the world….”

    “The nation of Israel suffer alot throughout history… some because of thier unbelief and some for thier disobediant to God… but never the less.. Israel is God choosen people”

    God didnt choose Israel (Jewish people ) because they were the better peoples…No…God does not discriminate….but God do love people who believe and have faith in him…

    Now another one of your statments.

    God the father
    “God the son (who is Jesus Christ)”
    and God the Holy spirit…

    So… Ya… okay, bit of contradiction there?

    Also,

    In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.[a] 2 The earth was formless and empty, and darkness covered the deep waters. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters.

    The earth was formless and empty, and darkness covered the deep waters.

    Formless
    adjective

    Having no definite form; shapeless. See Synonyms at shapeless.
    Lacking order.
    Having no material existence

    Empty
    adjective
    1 a : containing nothing b : not occupied or inhabited c :

    But, apparently there was water inside the earth when it was first formless and empty.

    So, did God create the earth, or was it already there for him to start his creation?

    Here is another one.

    “about DNA,.. were all from Adam and Eve.. the first male and female…”

    28. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it

    Replenish? Doesn’t that mean that they are re filling the earth with mankind once again, therfore Adam and Eve were not the first man and woman.

    There are many lines in the bible that do not make sense, and even contradict themselves. You put your faith in the bible and do not question the passages, and you’re only defense is , “because the bible says so”

    “Jesus warn of false teaching.. in the world..”

    Yes, there are definetly some false teaching in the world, I bet it is one of the more prominent teachings too.

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    Back in 2007 the Christian missionary Daystar network launched in Israel with much fanfare – with Christian Zionists from Pastor Hagee to the organization Bridges for Peace hailing the opportunity to spread the gospel via television in Israel. But it didn’t take long before public pressure forced the Israeli cable provider HOT to drop Daystar like a hot potato. At the time, the company said it had received numerous complaints about Daystar’s content, and commercials. According to INN News, among the offensive content was a 15-minute infomercial by the American Messianic ministry Jewish Voice Ministries International, which HOT representatives said “targets a Jewish audience with the message of Jesus.”

    Note – Public Pressure forced. Now, what does that tell you?

    There is a diffrence between a Christian going to Israel to preach Christanity, and a Christian who is going to Israel to visit the Holy City.

    I’ve read the bible, but I’m not going to take it as obsolute truth, or fact.

    You have not answered any of my questions.

    “the truth will always be the truth..and the truth is Jesus Christ in the son of God,.. who came down from heaven and died on the cross for the sins of the world, ”

    You speak as the bible is absolute truth when you have no evidence that the events in the Bible did happen, or even correct. However,you say it is the truth because the bible says so, and if you don’t believe in god then

    “Those who reject God and those who doesnt want anything to do with God, along with those who pratice witchcraft, evil magic and idols worshipers….

    God will cast them away in darkness forever…..”

    Don’t you see how dangerous that is? You split people in to two groups, the people who believe and don’t believe or reject the belief of God, or Jesus. They are put aside with the “evil” and “wicked” people.

    Now, imagine if we weren’t as civilized as we are now, you split the world into two groups. The believers and non believers of a belief that is likley not the absolute truth. However, the believers make it out as abolsute truth. What do you think will happen to the non believers?

    Don’t tell me that nothing would happen? Because all you have to do is pull out your history book and you will see.

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    [i]Originally posted by Akara143[/i]
    Hey khmerin,

    Listen up,..

    I didnt say anything that ask you to stop asking…go reread my earlier post again about me asking you to stop… I said why you keep asking the same questions over and over again.. even though I already explain it to you thats all..

    Hey if people have questions about God on here and if I can help I will try to answer them the best of my ability… Im not preaching you..those who wanna know I will tell them about the bible..

    man..stop taking my words and twist it around ..your acting like the serpent in the garden of eden..

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    You either have faith or you don’t plain and simple… nough said…

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    peace..

    You did not ask me right out to stop asking, but with many of this “ok.. peace out of here topic….” What you mean out of here topic? I know what it means, you are being annoyed by legitimate question that you and even God could not answer, and you try to shoo me away.

    You didn’t answer any question. Not that I expect you to answer something that even God could not understand himself, but just to implore your inner soul, hypothetically. I ask the same questions again and again, because, you are preaching the same quote from the same bibles all the time. Is that fair? :)

    Lol, where did I take your words and twist it around?

    AAHHH, Should I take that as compliment? For without the talking snake, Adam and Eve would probably be still running around naked in the garden. That was why God had the plan to create the talking snake in there. Do you see that?

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    I might have made it worst for you. But
    Please read the follow by sasquatch. He is right.

    Akara, you are being brain-washed, it’s not too late to turn around. Many of these religous folks are fanatic because they made up all kinds of crazy stories. Anyway, here are some questions for you to think about.

    If all babies go to heaven, and then what’s next when those heavenly babies grow old? Or do they stay young forever? If not, at what age this so called G.O.D sends them back to Earth? Say, you live in heaven for over 3 billion years (that’s the age of our Earth) doing the same freaking things over and over what G.O.D telling you. Do you you think yourself as articial intelligence, no emotion what so ever or perhaps, just slave?

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    God is above all, he deserves our belief, love and respect. He wants people to be humble to him and respect his laws. We are not perfect but must try hard anyway. It’s a good thing to do.

    [i]Originally posted by Akara143[/i]
    when God created man…there is a space inside our heart that only God can fullfilled…, without God there is an imptiness inside us human. .. Some religions out there are man made…. man needed God to worship so they made up thier own gods…some worshiping idols..even think themself as god…and stuff… man try to reach up to god.and Heaven….
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    But The Christian God,..Jesus Christ came down from Heaven and saved us and show us how to go to Heaven….

    In the Bible chapter John 3:16 stated…

    16 “For God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. 17 God sent his Son into the world not to judge the world, but to save the world through him.”
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    Jesus Christ ..says ..come as you are ..repent.. I will clean you up.. .. .he will forgive your sin and wash us whhite as now….

    you see God change our heart..he changes us from the inside out…Jesus takes our heart of stone and replace it a heart of love and compassion..
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    If you only believe…

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    [i]Originally posted by Legends[/i]
    God created God to experience another aspect of itself.
    Man is a creation of god, god is a creation of man. They are one and the same.

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    Don’t be confused. Israel or not is the same. Most important is to love God and respect his laws.

    [i]Originally posted by Diamond2[/i]
    ^^^^^. I dont know if it was the same Isreal now a day. Its all about the money.
    Wow if God protected Isreal. Why Isrealie wznted to attackef Iran? Did God gave them signs from above and say go right ahead?
    I dont think so. There are a lot of sins in Isreal. I dont think any Gods can save anyone beside themselve.

    As for me God is in within. In side of me and also satan can be inside of me if i dont carefully adjust. I dont think God put us here to test ourselve.
    Again as for me. The best situtions to find cures is to understanding the teaching of Jesus and Buddhism.

    As of now i have found tbe truth about life. I choose to followed Lord Gotoma teaching. I believed his doctrines can helped me. Unlike Other teachers who only teaches about powers and save if believing in him. I did not accepted that. But i do respected and understood.

    Going back to Isreal. I have nothing against Isreal. There are good and bad people there as well.
    But calling them a God ‘s people thats insane.

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    Don’t blame God, it’s wrong. Blame ourself is more humble. Blame God is arrogant. To win is to lose, to lose is to win. Khmer says, chaan baan praas, chneaas baan chea mia. To be humble is to win. To be arrogant is to lose. Hope you understand, ok? What else can I tell you. It’s that simple formula. A+B= AB.

    [i]Originally posted by khemrin[/i]

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    [i]Originally posted by Akara143[/i]

    16 “For God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. 17 God sent his Son into the world not to judge the world, but to save the world through him.”
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    Lol, akara143,

    You have seemed to be obsessed with this quote. But think about it…: With all the power of an almighty God, he could have done much better than to send his only beloved son to be killed on the cross in such humiliating and horrifying way like that. Even then he would still have to kill more people once he come down once more. This is as result of repetitive failure that he committed one after another. What I said is as if what was written in the bible were to be true.

    1/ The failure in the garden of eden
    2/ Due to the unforeseeable failure from banishing Adam and Eve from the garden of eden led to mass murder of the great flood
    3/ Despite many corrections made through various punishment, the suicide mission of Jesus still needed to cleanse the world of the mess that he made earlier
    4/ When all else fail, The Revelation: Massive killing will be upon us, on judgment day. [/quote]

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    You asked not an important question, you are looking for a refuge out somewhere safe from responsibility. Like in a military training at west point, be silent and obey order or you are out. It is the same with God. Just be out for a while temporary just to think deeply before you ask an unimportant question. How can you run a US government if you have question that is not even important.

    What you should ask is this: Do you believe in him? Yes or No. Yes move on to christianity. No leave temporary to think some more.

    I’m only try to make it short.

    [i]Originally posted by khemrin[/i]

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    [i]Originally posted by Akara143[/i]
    What is love? You already know full well what love mean…I dont think your that dumb not knowing what love is…. ———–
    Love…If love never been tested how will you know that person love you? If Love never been demonstrated how will you know how much that person truely loves you…

    God gave humanity freedom to live and choose..but man choose to sins…[b] so sins comes into the world[/b]… This is a fallen world…a world full of sins…Sins has its griped on humanity… If sins has a griped on us that mean were a slave to sins…sins seperate us from God… but God love us so much that he sent his son Jesus Christ to take our place on the cross….Jesus died for our sin.. God did this to demonstrate how much God love humanity… Jesus Christ reddem us from sins and set us free from it…yes Jesus Christ suffer greaatly for us human…he died in the hand of sinners…but after 3 days God raise Jesus back to life…so will those who believe in Jesus Christ his son….they will never die..but have erternal life….

    I am not here to pick an argument with you either, but I am hoping that some reasonable ground can be established, so less people would be killed, as result of this unfortunate misunderstanding. God is in one”s head and mind. And thus it is how we project him or her to be: BAD or GOOD. Given such powerful implication of such misinformed interpretation, one can be as deadly as the most poisonous snake alive: Killing in the name of religion, as we have so far witnessing in the war of ideology.
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    What is love when all I read about the history of God’s failure and in his frustration, he could only turn to violence. I can only cringe and hope that what was written of him were not true, so to preserve true meaning, the intention, and purpose of what a God or Gods of religion should be: a compassionate, gentle, less intrusive, less judgmental, transcended, a guiding light, and not just a judge, jury, and a merciless executioner that started with banishment of Adam and Eve, for no appearing reason of their own fault to in his last attempt to save some souls, he sent his son, Jesus to be murdered by his own people.

    Was that the best the almighty could have done? I don’t think so. I am not question God’s(if one were to exist) motive, but rather his responsibility of employing such almighty power…If he were to take some of the responsibility of what he did in the garden of eden, you and I would not have to argue. We would have still living in the garden of eden today(provided that we still have enough space after all the “Go forth and multiply” thing)

    So,was God did not see it in his vision, and thus fail prophecy, or the bible writers simply underestimated/misjudged or simply over looked such implication, and failed to correct in the later publication?
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    I ask the same question? Yes, I do ask the same question, because people preach the same quotes from bible.

    So, then:
    According to the bibles written by the “inspired” God chosen people, when did SIN enter the world? [/quote]

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    I believe the Bible. Super Dan is right.

    [i]Originally posted by SuperDan[/i]
    Man exist in time and space, we are finite, limited, but God exist out side of time and space altogether. Thus he is infinite, eternal. For him, there is no beginning and no end. Therefore, no one create God, he always is and always will be.

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