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    I’ve read a lot of comments on how college isn’t for everyone. When I do read those comments, I ask myself ‘why not?’. If college is not for everyone, then who is it for? Who belongs in college, and who doesn’t?

    In my opinion, college is for everyone because anyone can benefit from more education. But what’s your opinion on it?

    edit to prevent confusion that I’ve noticed. The only edited words are in italics:

    Note that college means ‘higher’ education, not only 4-yr colleges or university, but also trade schools aka career colleges, community colleges, basically anything above high school/k-12.

    [Message last modified 06-02-2007 11:48am by agent0o5]

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    Forgot to say:

    There was a saying someone told me before that “You can’t teach a Harvard student anything new because they know everything already.”

    Yet, there are still Harvard students, Yale students, MIT students, etc. These are the people I would assume do not need college or ‘belong’ there, but they still have go to college. Then who are these people everyone keeps talking about that do not belong in college?

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    There are exceptions like for example, Bill Gates. However, that statement is false….sure these schools have the highest yield rates and attract the finest students, but they don’t know everything. The truth of the matter is that that’s the ‘perception’….but not necessarily a fact, but a myth.

    In regards to your question…..college isn’t for everyone. But college def. opens more doors for those who are willing to give it a chance….there’s nothing one can lose but one only has more to gain and not to mention have more doors and windows of opportunity open for you. Some people find their passion elsewhere that doesnt require a college degree, etc. For example….movie stars, singers, athletes….etc. There are exceptions but education is something that you can always fall back on no matter what age you are. It’s something that is priceless and that will never betray you in the long run. :)

    [i]Originally posted by agent0o5[/i]
    Forgot to say:

    There was a saying someone told me before that “You can’t teach a Harvard student anything new because they [i]know[/i] everything already.”

    Yet, there are [i]still[/i] Harvard students, Yale students, MIT students, etc. These are the people I would assume do not need college or ‘belong’ there, but they still have go to college. Then who are these people everyone keeps talking about that do not belong in college?

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    ^Yeah, true about exceptions like Bill Gates, but then again there are not many Bill Gates out there. Bill Gates was also a Harvard drop out. When he started Microsoft, he did hire college grads from the best schools. Besides that, Bill Gates got lucky because he stole an idea from his friend who stole an idea from another group of people. You can’t always be that lucky and his business practice is borderline to monopolistic. I think Bill Gates success is more of luck than anything else, or/and possibly thanks to his bad or ‘good’ business practices talent that everyone grew to love or hate, depending on how you look at it.

    I agree with you that my statement on those students in good schools isn’t true, but it’s just to make a point that unless you know everything, you belong in college; hence, Harvard, Yale, MIT students don’t know everything, which is why they are in college as well.

    Btw, just because a field does not require a degree to get in does not mean the person pursuing the field doesn’t belong in college. Even athletes go to college to get better at their sport or get an education because they know they can’t be an athlete for long or maybe just to explore other fields and learn something.

    edit add: Point of this post is saying is that what is the chance of you being the next Bill Gates or Steve Jobs without a good education? These people are 2 in 9 billions, and the probability of success like them with or without a good education is lower than getting struck by lightning 3 or 4 times or winning the lottery. Although college does not guarantee success, it does guarantee you a bit of an upper hand in becoming a successful person. If not monetary gain, at least you’ve gained some knowledge if you were serious about it.

    [Message last modified 06-01-2007 05:24pm by agent0o5]

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    ^Agent, I totally understand your views and where you’re coming from. You have a very interesting perspective….but I guess what I was trying to imply is that college is a choice and cannot be enforced upon anyone. Whatever works best for the individual…for they know themselves better than anyone. The opportunity is out there, but for those who chose not to take advantage of it…I’m sure they have reasons of their own that we might know of or circumstances that might have hinder them from completing their degree.

    You know what’s ironic, Bill Gates is actually speaking at this year’s Harvard Commencement. He’s the principal speaker too. He’s still considered a Harvard Alum eventhough he didn’t complete his degree. lol.

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    College can be for everybody, but I think you’re seeing it the wrong way. If somebody can get certified, learn what they need to learn, and be on their way, then that’s for them. They don’t see college is for them becuz they would be sitting around taking dumb classes that they won’t remember. My dad went to US college for a while, but he dropped out cuz it was pretty much useless for him. Right now, he get job offers left and right, he gets to go to school for free, and he makes a lot of money.

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    [i]Originally posted by I3ig_Machine[/i]
    College can be for everybody, but I think you’re seeing it the wrong way. If somebody can get certified, learn what they need to learn, and be on their way, then that’s for them.

    When I’m speaking of college, I mean ‘higher education’ in general, could be community college, trade schools, 4-yr, workshops, etc.

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    To me, I think when ppl talk about college, they are talking about a bachelor’s degree. When they say “college isn’t for everyone”, they are talking about ppl such as those that got certified, but never graduated from a 4 yr college. It’s common that ppl who got certified say “I never went to college”.

    [i]Originally posted by agent0o5[/i]

    When I’m speaking of college, I mean ‘higher education’ in general, could be community college, trade schools, 4-yr, workshops, etc.

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    I only assume they’re talking about 4-yr college when I hear “4-yr college”, “university,” or specific 4-yr college names. Otherwise, college is any ‘higher’ educational institutions. Trade school and community colleges are colleges. Usually a 4-yr college is referred as a “university”.

    note: ‘higher’ as in higher than high school lvl or K-12.

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    [i]Originally posted by majesticgyrl[/i]
    You know what’s ironic, Bill Gates is actually speaking at this year’s Harvard Commencement. He’s the principal speaker too. He’s still considered a Harvard Alum eventhough he didn’t complete his degree. lol.

    That’s just sad. Money talks I guess. That’s not so bad as Harvard letting Bush graduate from there, not to mention letting him in Harvard. GWB is not Harvard material. lol.

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    You’re assuming a lot here buddy. Go read your first post…haha. Somewhere along the line, u forgot what you’re talking about. Why need to save face over this?

    [i]Originally posted by agent0o5[/i]
    I only assume they’re talking about 4-yr college when I hear “4-yr college”, “university,” or specific 4-yr college names. Otherwise, college is any ‘higher’ educational institutions. Trade school and community colleges are colleges. Usually a 4-yr college is referred as a “university”.

    note: ‘higher’ as in higher than high school lvl or K-12.

    [Message last modified 06-01-2007 11:14pm by agent0o5]

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    College is formal education.

    Not everyone is suited for formal education. Learning informally is still beneficial and in fact may be better.

    [i]Originally posted by agent0o5[/i]
    I’ve read a lot of comments on how college isn’t for everyone. When I do read those comments, I ask myself ‘why not?’. If college is not for everyone, then who is it for? Who belongs in college, and who doesn’t?

    In my opinion, college is for everyone because anyone can benefit from more education. But what’s your opinion on it?

    #261351
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    My first post mentions college. Nothing there says it has to be 4yr. I don’t know what I’m saving face over? Some people don’t know that trade schools and community colleges are colleges. Just post that fyi.

    Now that I look at what I posted earlier, you probably were confused by me mentioning Harvard and such as colleges. That’s just to make a point that even the presumed smartest people belong in college. 4yr college is also a “college”, obviously I can call them colleges too while not being specific. I think you assumed I’m talking about 4 yr college only because of that or because you assume college just means ‘university or 4-yr college’ only.

    [i]Originally posted by I3ig_Machine[/i]
    You’re assuming a lot here buddy. Go read your first post…haha. Somewhere along the line, u forgot what you’re talking about. Why need to save face over this?

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    [i]Originally posted by agent0o5[/i]
    I only assume they’re talking about 4-yr college when I hear “4-yr college”, “university,” or specific 4-yr college names. Otherwise, college is any ‘higher’ educational institutions. Trade school and community colleges are colleges. Usually a 4-yr college is referred as a “university”.

    note: ‘higher’ as in higher than high school lvl or K-12.

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    [i]Originally posted by MusicMania[/i]
    College is formal education.

    Not everyone is suited for formal education. Learning informally is still beneficial and in fact may be better.

    What types are suited for formal education while others are not? Care to explain this in more detail. I hear this excuse often with kids who don’t graduate even high school. Btw, this is not meant to offend anyone because I think high school drop outs not only are suited for formal education but also belong in college. In college, because these ppl could gain the most from formal education. I think their problem is just a matter of negative thinking. Thinking that they’re not suited for formal education.

    Also, another issue people will bring up would be money or not able to afford it. That’s beside the case because it’s not that the person does not ‘belong’ in college, but rather just can’t afford it now; however, they still belong there if only their financial situation allowed it.

    Again this is just my opinion although a ‘strong’ opinion I hold. My only hope is that everyone would at least give college a try, and seriously try hard, before figuring out it is not for them because I believe everyone belongs there, no matter how smart or stupid they think they are.

    [Message last modified 06-02-2007 03:05am by agent0o5]

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    anyone can go to college, but does everyone want to? If you don’t want to go to college, then you don’t belong in college. it’s actually a really simple answer. college may be be the thing you value very much, but not everyone in this whole world feels the same way.

    there are people in this world who love using their hands, working with tools and being creative. they have specialized trade schools for these people. they would benefit better by taking these tradeschools to further their career then wasting money on college that wouldn’t benefit them.

    and you don’t need to go to college for education, there are many other educational outlets in life. to limit yourself to thinking that college is the only place you can learn is a big handicap.

    [i]Originally posted by agent0o5[/i]
    I’ve read a lot of comments on how college isn’t for everyone. When I do read those comments, I ask myself ‘why not?’. If college is not for everyone, then who is it for? Who belongs in college, and who doesn’t?

    In my opinion, college is for everyone because anyone can benefit from more education. But what’s your opinion on it?

    [Message last modified 06-02-2007 11:30am by Sovie]

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    Formal education – for people who wants to be taught
    Informal education – for people who wants to teach themself

    Anyways to me school really makes no difference, what does are the extra-cirriculuar activities.

    [i]Originally posted by agent0o5[/i]
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    [i]Originally posted by MusicMania[/i]
    College is formal education.

    Not everyone is suited for formal education. Learning informally is still beneficial and in fact may be better.

    What types are suited for formal education while others are not? Care to explain this in more detail. I hear this excuse often with kids who don’t graduate even high school. Btw, this is not meant to offend anyone because I think high school drop outs not only are suited for formal education but also belong in college. In college, because these ppl could gain the most from formal education. I think their problem is just a matter of negative thinking. Thinking that they’re not suited for formal education.

    Also, another issue people will bring up would be money or not able to afford it. That’s beside the case because it’s not that the person does not ‘belong’ in college, but rather just can’t afford it now; however, they still belong there if only their financial situation allowed it.

    Again this is just my opinion although a ‘strong’ opinion I hold. My only hope is that everyone would at least give college a try, and seriously try hard, before figuring out it is not for them because I believe everyone belongs there, no matter how smart or stupid they think they are.

    [Message last modified 06-02-2007 03:05am by agent0o5][/quote]

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    [i]Originally posted by Sovie[/i]
    there are people in this world who love using their hands, working with tools and being creative. they have specialized trade schools for these people. they would benefit better by taking these tradeschools to further their career then wasting money on college that wouldn’t benefit them.

    I agree with most of what you said, not everyone belongs in a 4-yr college because some degree requires two yrs or less. Trade schools are career colleges. I don’t have a problem w/ people going to those colleges instead.

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    [i]Originally posted by MusicMania[/i]
    Formal education – for people who wants to be taught
    Informal education – for people who wants to teach themself

    Anyways to me school really makes no difference, what does are the extra-cirriculuar activities.

    Not saying you’re wrong, but my view is that most of what you learn formally or anything you learn really is taught by yourself, technically we all learn informally. Formal education forces you to dedicate yourself to learning. I doubt many people want to teach themselves anything in their free time. Why learn anything when they can party or work? Benefit of formal ed. is that if you’re going to informally teach yourself anyways, then at least have someone to help. Two brains are better than one, esp. if the 2nd person specialize in what you want to teach yourself. Besides, most people who learn formally tend to have the habit of learning informally as well afterwards. Basically, if you want to teach yourself something, why not have someone there so you actually teach yourself something. Just the way I see that.

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    [i]Originally posted by Sovie[/i]
    and you don’t need to go to college for education, there are many other educational outlets in life. to limit yourself to thinking that college is the only place you can learn is a big handicap.

    I agree with that, but not going to a college is a bigger handicap to your education. It’s only what 2 to 11 yrs of your life? If you directly went straight to working or starting a family, you’ll find yourself having little to no time to educate yourself.

    And I find most people who do go to college tend to continue to find ways to learn elsewhere or learn ‘informally’. I don’t find that with just high school grads who do not choose to go to a college only because of choice alone. They don’t want to learn period, which is out of negative thinking. Because if they want to learn, they would not complain if it’s formal or informal. I’m generalizing of course from observing and logic.

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    Even though I do well I find school boring and most things learned is forgotten anyways.

    Teachers don`t motivate me, I`d rather motivate – but that`s just me I`m just an entrepreneurial type…

    [i]Originally posted by agent0o5[/i]

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    [i]Originally posted by MusicMania[/i]
    Formal education – for people who wants to be taught
    Informal education – for people who wants to teach themself

    Anyways to me school really makes no difference, what does are the extra-cirriculuar activities.

    Not saying you’re wrong, but my view is that most of what you learn formally or anything you learn really is taught by yourself, technically we all learn informally. Formal education forces you to dedicate yourself to learning. I doubt many people want to teach themselves anything in their free time. Why learn anything when they can party or work? Benefit of formal ed. is that if you’re going to informally teach yourself anyways, then at least have someone to help. Two brains are better than one, esp. if the 2nd person specialize in what you want to teach yourself. Besides, most people who learn formally tend to have the habit of learning informally as well afterwards. Basically, if you want to teach yourself something, why not have someone there so you actually teach yourself something. Just the way I see that.[/quote]

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    College is for everyone but not everyone is for college :)

    [i]Originally posted by agent0o5[/i]
    I’ve read a lot of comments on how college isn’t for everyone. When I do read those comments, I ask myself ‘why not?’. If college is not for everyone, then who is it for? Who belongs in college, and who doesn’t?

    In my opinion, college is for everyone because anyone can benefit from more education. But what’s your opinion on it?

    [i]edit to prevent confusion that I’ve noticed. The only edited words are in italics:

    Note that college means ‘higher’ education, not only 4-yr colleges or university, but also trade schools aka career colleges, community colleges, basically anything above high school/k-12.[/i]

    [Message last modified 06-02-2007 11:48am by agent0o5]

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    well, with GW Bush, his Dad donated a lot of money and I think he also made a phone call to the school….money talks, sad but true. I don’t know how he got into HBS with a 2.0 GPA from Yale…but if you’re a legacy, or your parents donate millions of dollars, it’s like u get automatically in, not all legacy kids get in, but it does give them an edge though.

    [i]Originally posted by agent0o5[/i]

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    [i]Originally posted by majesticgyrl[/i]
    You know what’s ironic, Bill Gates is actually speaking at this year’s Harvard Commencement. He’s the principal speaker too. He’s still considered a Harvard Alum eventhough he didn’t complete his degree. lol.

    That’s just sad. Money talks I guess. That’s not so bad as Harvard letting Bush graduate from there, not to mention letting him in Harvard. GWB is not Harvard material. lol.

    [Message last modified 06-03-2007 09:47am by majesticgyrl]

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    Originally posted by ScK4u
    College is for everyone but not everyone is for college :)
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    Nicely said. Unfortunately, it appears that way.

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    first of all, there are other choices other than factory job or starting a family after highschool.

    secondly, if college is where you learn that education comes in both formal and informal methods than your education system has forsaken you. you should have learned this stuff in elementary school.

    thirdly, it’s very narrowminded to assume that those who do not continue education after highschool are either lazy or hate learning. it could be that they want a break, or they find that they fare better with informal learning than formal. maybe they are content having a simple life. maybe they realize that they want to focus on their natural talent in comedy than going to college. who knows, and who are we to assume these things about them just because they don’t choose the same lifepath as we or the majority do?

    i feel that as long as you’re happy with the choices you make, you shouldn’t be judged on them. the only time we should comment on someone else’s life is if they ask us for help in changing it.

    [i]Originally posted by agent0o5[/i]
    I agree with that, but not going to a college is a bigger handicap to your education. It’s only what 2 to 11 yrs of your life? If you directly went straight to working or starting a family, you’ll find yourself having little to no time to educate yourself.

    And I find most people who do go to college tend to continue to find ways to learn elsewhere or learn ‘informally’. I don’t find that with just high school grads who do not choose to go to a college only because of choice alone. They don’t want to learn period, which is out of negative thinking. Because if they want to learn, they would not complain if it’s formal or informal. I’m generalizing of course from observing and logic.

    [Message last modified 06-02-2007 11:46am by agent0o5]

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    [i]Originally posted by Sovie[/i]
    thirdly, it’s very narrowminded to assume that those who do not continue education after highschool are either lazy or hate learning. it could be that they want a break, or they find that they fare better with informal learning than formal. maybe they are content having a simple life. maybe they realize that they want to focus on their natural talent in comedy than going to college. who knows, and who are we to assume these things about them just because they don’t choose the same lifepath as we or the majority do?

    I don’t see why a person who tries to succeed in comedy and singing should skip college altogether. Sure they should spend a year or two to rest from school because it is not fun, but it’s never too late to go back to college although it’ll make school harder for them. Spend a year or two to have something else to fall back on.

    Again, I see the ‘I’m not good in formal learning’ as an excuse since I don’t do well with formal learning myself but rather I excel in informal learning. Again, if you’re going to learn something, there is no drawbacks in having someone who’s a master in what you’re learning to be there for you if you need them. I rarely need them, but I see no drawback in someone being there for you. College isn’t all about formal learning, and you’ll need more than an elementary school education to realize that since you’ll need to go to college to *experience* that.

    I’m not here to judge them, maybe it sounds that way, but I just want everyone to know they belong in college. I think ScK4u said it best “College is for everyone but not everyone is for college.” In other words, it’s not that they don’t belong there, but rather they just don’t want to belong there, sometimes skipping college altogether over that mentality of not feeling they ‘belong’.

    Rarely, this feeling of not belonging is out of being ‘too good for college because I got so much talent’. Those people I don’t much care for, but rather I care for the majority people who skipped college because they feel they’re ‘not good enough for college because I’m not smart enough’ type. These are the people I think belong most in college because I’m sure the majority feels the way they do, and they would benefit the most out of college.

    [Message last modified 06-03-2007 06:29pm by agent0o5]

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