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    Although this article is a little old, I thought this was an interesting read. It’s like what they say. When it comes to war, it’s only the innocents who suffers. What’s this thing about karma and bad people getting some kind of hell for what they did? Or God’s going to make the evil people suffer? That’s just a load of BS. It’s the good people who suffer and really will never receive justice. The bad people, well, they get to live a rich life like these Khmer Rouge, who continue to exploit and abuse the poor and innocent.

    Khmer Rouge Fun and Games
    By James Pringle
    Published: WEDNESDAY, MARCH 17, 1999

    PAILIN, Cambodia: When hard-line Communist regimes collapse, they seem to do so in a similar way — into a kind of gangster capitalism, with the emergence of mafia elites, red princelings and corruption. The murderous Khmer Rouge regime is no exception.

    In the end, is this what it was all for, the “pure and hard” revolution that left 1.7 million Cambodians dead? Do the torture chambers of Tuol Sleng and the killing fields of Choeung Ek ultimately come down to this?

    A visit to the former Khmer Rouge headquarters at Pailin reveals that the red flag of Democratic Kampuchea has given way to the red lights of massage parlors and brothels.

    This autonomous region in the hills of western Cambodia, along the Thai border, is notable now for its sleazy bars and gambling dens. The Khmer Rouge still runs Pailin. Its thugs merely swapped Maoist-style uniforms for those of the Cambodian army, keeping their guns.

    Khmer Rouge officials have built themselves gaudy gilded palaces where they live, as before, isolated from what they called the “basic strata,” the people.

    Pailin thrives on illegal logging and gem mining. Its streets are being torn up in the frantic search for more rubies. No tax revenues go to the Cambodian government.

    The road to Pailin from Battambang is rough, the people are impoverished, the paddy fields still mined and full of the flotsam of war. Pailin is a fiefdom of Ieng Sary, the former Khmer Rouge foreign minister who received a royal pardon when he “defected” to the government in 1996.

    As you enter the town, a roadside billboard depicts a pretty Khmer girl advertising a Thai-made condom. It serves the dual purpose of warning against AIDS, now widespread in Cambodia, and hinting at the squalid pleasures of this stronghold of former Khmer Rouge leaders and cadres. Illicit sex in the past, of course, brought immediate execution.

    Near the Thai border, a “jungle casino” has opened. Khmer Rouge operatives rent out 40 gaming tables for baccarat and roulette to Thai businessmen.

    Not far from there, two Khmer Rouge chiefs, Khieu Samphan and Nuon Chea, are holed up on a ridge in comfortable houses protected by a minefield. The pair who wrote the ideological blueprint for one of the century’s most brutal regimes defected in December. The government of Prime Minister Hun Sen, which contains a number of former Khmer Rouge figures, including Hun Sen himself, laid on a tour of the country for them in January. Despite calls for their arrest within Cambodia and abroad, they were then allowed to come here.

    At a foreign language “institute” in Pailin, the children of Khmer Rouge cadres learn English. When the Khmer Rouge ruled Cambodia with an iron fist from 1975 to 1979, even speaking a few words of French was sufficient cause for execution.

    A bank has opened here. After Khmer Rouge forces marched into Phnom Penh, they drove the entire population out, then blew up the National Bank.

    A ruined old Buddhist temple is being rebuilt.

    Perhaps all this should seem encouraging. Instead it feels repellent.

    Ieng Vuth, son of Ieng Sary, repeats the line that he is not against an international tribunal if all sides in the Cambodian conflict, including the Americans and Vietnamese, are called to account, too.

    All the past crimes, he asserts, were committed by leaders now dead, Pol Pot and Son Sen, or by Ta Mok, who is now in custody in Phnom Penh. The others were “only obeying orders.” Ieng Vuth warns that any attempt to seize Khmer Rouge leaders would mean “some people going back to the jungle and it would be war again.”

    The Hun Sen government has so far resisted calls for an international tribunal, as recommended by UN experts, to try 20 to 30 Khmer Rouge leaders outside Cambodia.

    Is there to be no real accounting?

    The writer, Beijing correspondent of The Times of London, contributed this comment to the International Herald Tribune.

    http://www.iht.com/articles/1999/03/17/edpringle.t.php

    #544109
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    [i]Originally posted by agent0o5[/i]
    [i] … The bad people, well, they get to live a rich life …[/i]

    It is 100% logical to say that all things that exist have been created. Therefore, there is a powerful Creator and that is God. Politics or no politics the reality is and will be always there that there is a divine law to separate the good and the evil in due time. Divine work is too grand to even bring into discussion. Therefore it is logical to say that we may see what is happening in human society via all information. But we, no one, may not see the journey of the bad individuals after their demise. I would not dare to find out what hell is like, or what is the pressure/degree of torment in hell after my expiration from this life. I know how awesome is the flowing lava from an active volcano. So, nevermind how comfort, or how lavish the bad guys are living now, because in the end there must be a real fearful time for them – or God does not exist.

    #544117
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    Indeed, that is true and sad one too. The Khmer Rouge still exist till these days and get away from those horrendous murders.

    #544123
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    khemrin
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    agent,

    You have seemed to ask two important questions, in the context of political theater; yet questioning the legitimacy of Karma and the existence of God, for its fairness and intervention in the face of good, bad and brutality exist in humanity.

    In politic: How can it be done(the trial), if all parties involved are still in power?

    In religion: Well, in Khmer language it means “peak prean pror dao”, or “ovard dombon mean”, the “word of wisdom”, the “word of advice”, and from there you can take it anywhere you want with that definition. At least in Buddhism, it still stands true that it is that of definition, but to follow or not to follow, it is entirely up to the individual. And it seems those in power, or greed thereof, don’t seem to care.

    Originally posted by agent0o5
    Although this article is a little old, I thought this was an interesting read. It’s like what they say. When it comes to war, it’s only the innocents who suffers. What’s this thing about karma and bad people getting some kind of hell for what they did? Or God’s going to make the evil people suffer? That’s just a load of BS. It’s the good people who suffer and really will never receive justice. The bad people, well, they get to live a rich life like these Khmer Rouge, who continue to exploit and abuse the poor and innocent.

    #544129
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    Just for once, I would to see God punish the bad guys in this life, not when they’re already dead. So many bad guys get to live this rich fruitful life, exploiting the poor and innocent for centuries really, not just the Khmer Rouge. There are a lot of them out there all over the world.

    [i]Originally posted by quotesman[/i]

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    [i]Originally posted by agent0o5[/i]
    [i] … The bad people, well, they get to live a rich life …[/i]

    It is 100% logical to say that all things that exist have been created. Therefore, there is a powerful Creator and that is God. Politics or no politics the reality is and will be always there that there is a divine law to separate the good and the evil in due time. Divine work is too grand to even bring into discussion. Therefore it is logical to say that we may see what is happening in human society via all information. But we, no one, may not see the journey of the bad individuals after their demise. I would not dare to find out what hell is like, or what is the pressure/degree of torment in hell after my expiration from this life. I know how awesome is the flowing lava from an active volcano. So, nevermind how comfort, or how lavish the bad guys are living now, because in the end there must be a real fearful time for them – or God does not exist.
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    #544135
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    What’s more sad is that they not only get away, but they get to live a comfortable prosperous aristocratic lifestyle while still living their corrupt lifestyle, abusing the poor. They don’t just get away, they get a better life from their horrendous acts.

    [i]Originally posted by tropicalflower[/i]
    Indeed, that is true and sad one too. The Khmer Rouge still exist till these days and get away from those horrendous murders.

    #544142
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    Yes, I do believe in Karma. The law of karma is very complicated to understand because it involves in some sort of supernatural entity such as spirit that exists in our world according to Buddha’s philosophy. I think Karma also has something to do with timing. For instance, when an individual who does bad things to hurt other people, you wonder why Karma does not work at this important point of time because Karma still does not give the result yet until it is the right moment and the right time and when the Karma gives the result, that person cannot avoid or escape. So this is probably the reason why you see these evil people still exist in this world because they are not affected by Karma yet.

    [i]Originally posted by agent0o5[/i]
    Just for once, I would to see God punish the bad guys in this life, not when they’re already dead. So many bad guys get to live this rich fruitful life, exploiting the poor and innocent for centuries really, not just the Khmer Rouge. There are a lot of them out there all over the world.

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    [i]Originally posted by quotesman[/i]

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    [i]Originally posted by agent0o5[/i]
    [i] … The bad people, well, they get to live a rich life …[/i]

    It is 100% logical to say that all things that exist have been created. Therefore, there is a powerful Creator and that is God. Politics or no politics the reality is and will be always there that there is a divine law to separate the good and the evil in due time. Divine work is too grand to even bring into discussion. Therefore it is logical to say that we may see what is happening in human society via all information. But we, no one, may not see the journey of the bad individuals after their demise. I would not dare to find out what hell is like, or what is the pressure/degree of torment in hell after my expiration from this life. I know how awesome is the flowing lava from an active volcano. So, nevermind how comfort, or how lavish the bad guys are living now, because in the end there must be a real fearful time for them – or God does not exist.
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    #544148
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    I understand that part about karma working its magic slowly. But wouldn’t it make more sense for karma to work right away? If it works right away, would you think people would even dare to do anything bad? Why does karma have to work so slowly…or is there really karma in the first place, maybe it’s just coincidence and the mind thinking that it’s karma.

    [i]Originally posted by KhmerDude978[/i]
    Yes, I do believe in Karma. The law of karma is very complicated to understand because it involves in some sort of supernatural entity such as spirit that exists in our world according to Buddha’s philosophy. I think Karma also has something to do with timing. For instance, when an individual who does bad things to hurt other people, you wonder why Karma does not work at this important point of time because Karma still does not give the result yet until it is the right moment and the right time and when the Karma gives the result, that person cannot avoid or escape. So this is probably the reason why you see these evil people still exist in this world because they are not affected by Karma yet.

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    [i]Originally posted by agent0o5[/i]
    Just for once, I would to see God punish the bad guys in this life, not when they’re already dead. So many bad guys get to live this rich fruitful life, exploiting the poor and innocent for centuries really, not just the Khmer Rouge. There are a lot of them out there all over the world.

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    [i]Originally posted by quotesman[/i]

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by agent0o5[/i]
    [i] … The bad people, well, they get to live a rich life …[/i]

    It is 100% logical to say that all things that exist have been created. Therefore, there is a powerful Creator and that is God. Politics or no politics the reality is and will be always there that there is a divine law to separate the good and the evil in due time. Divine work is too grand to even bring into discussion. Therefore it is logical to say that we may see what is happening in human society via all information. But we, no one, may not see the journey of the bad individuals after their demise. I would not dare to find out what hell is like, or what is the pressure/degree of torment in hell after my expiration from this life. I know how awesome is the flowing lava from an active volcano. So, nevermind how comfort, or how lavish the bad guys are living now, because in the end there must be a real fearful time for them – or God does not exist.
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    [Message last modified 11-07-2007 02:32pm by agent0o5]

    #544157
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    cheakrisna
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    Not just in modern day Cambodia. They can be everywhere, even in America.

    #544163
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    They sure do. The Khmer Rogue is just the more obvious ones.

    [i]Originally posted by cheakrisna[/i]
    Not just in modern day Cambodia. They can be everywhere, even in America.

    #544171
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    KhmerCasanova
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    [i]Originally posted by cheakrisna[/i]
    Not just in modern day Cambodia. They can be everywhere, even in America.

    Yep and those Killers are living the good life in the USA

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