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    veayoo
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    I have come across this Cambodian term quite a bit lately. I do not quite get its meaning.

    Does any of you know what it means?

    How do we know it?

    What is it for?

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    [Message last modified 07-07-2012 02:05am by veayoo]

    #315945
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    Literally, in Cambodian, the three separate words are quite simple.

    Neak = A person.
    Mean = Possessing or having.
    Bonn = Good things or deeds.

    As Cambodians celebrate a religious ceremony, they say they make a Bonn. New Year ceremony is called Bonn Chol Chhnam or Enter New Year Bonn. Furthermore, Cambodians celebrate lots of Bonns every year.

    The Cambodian slang of Neak Mean Bonn does not seem to mean the above direct and literal meaning. The culture seems to encapsulate some hidden concepts that are not clear to me personally.

    So, what do you know about this Cambodian slang (Neak mean Bonn)?

    [i]Originally posted by veayoo[/i]
    I have come across this Cambodian term quite a bit lately. I do not quite get its meaning.

    Does any of you know what it means?

    [Message last modified 10-01-2009 10:25pm by veayoo]

    #315957
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    Your trying to put khmer words like a foreigner. lolzz.. And forgeiner are idiots..not saying it to u tho k…

    Neak Mean Bonn is a term meaning he/she is born with a gift…The gift can be great big or small..that it..

    #315966
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    PhnomKlarSar,

    Neak Mean Bonn is a person born with a gift. This is a good meaning. Any other meaning?

    Readers of this site and pages may be foreign to Khmer language. I break the Khmer slang down trying to ease reading from those who are not fluent in Khmer.

    Good input!

    [i]Originally posted by PhnomKlarSar[/i]
    Your trying to put khmer words like a foreigner. lolzz.. And forgeiner are idiots..not saying it to u tho k…

    Neak Mean Bonn is a term meaning he/she is born with a gift…The gift can be great big or small..that it..

    #315976

    AhSaren
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    My parent are neak mean bonn to me. :)

    #315985
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    AhSaren,

    This concept could be helpful too.

    A more direct Khmer term for what you mean is Neak Mean Kun. Kun means good and precious acts toward us or so.

    A Kun could be considered as a Bonn, I guess!

    [i]Originally posted by AhSaren[/i]
    My parent are neak mean bonn to me. :)

    #315996
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    Academically speaking, according to Rev Chuon Nat Khmer dictionary, the Cambodian word Bonn derived from a Pali word “Ponha”.

    The Pali word Ponha means something good for distilling mind, or something good resulting from a kind mind such as Bonn, good credit or good deed.

    The dictionary explains the word Panha using the word Bonn itself.

    The dictionary Pali reference and definition have not helped to fully understand the Khmer slang “Neak Mean Bonn” well yet. I hope someone could help make the concept clearer and more meaningful.

    #316006
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    The same Khmer dictionary makes reference to sanskrit root of the word Bonn.

    The sanskrit word actually is actually current Khmer spelling of the word Bonn. It could be spelled like Bonnaya, or so.

    Bonnaya means pure, beautiful, good, lovable, something wishable.

    The academic roots and meanings have not helped explaining the puzzling word Neak Mean Bonn yet.

    #316015
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    Veayoo,

    I appreciate your bringing this phrase to the question. It is very helpful. I don’t have any technical version as you have sufficiently provided already. For the phrase itself, it encapsulates those various meanings. All we have to do is solidify them into the overall meaning.

    “Nek Mian Buon” is a phrase more closely to mean an Enlightened Being. An Enlightened Being is one who is endowed with merits, buon, who through his intelligence (panna) accrued them over eons of births and rebirths by various deeds like charity, building, etc. Without this panna, he cannot be the leader. Those who lack prajna (intelligence) as we know cannot sufficiently lead people into well being.

    One’s merits are one’s gifts. The intelligence to create one’s gifts is superior. Each of us has buon for without buon we cannot exist on Earth. It is a matter of relativity. And, that is what it is all about—relativity. Because of relativity as it is dependent on the variance of how we collect and or commit merits, this term could be applied to many people. “Nek mian buon” could apply to the Arahat, Arahan, Pudh Borisat, Maha Borisat, Preah Po-ti-satt. Each of these titles imply a certain level of intelligence accrued. Because of such intelligence, they are capable of leading themselves to well being as well as others. All these terms are more heavily lenient toward Buddhism. There is no way I can explain it without having it bias toward religion as Khmer culture derive their language and such through religious text and affiliation, which is Buddhism.

    The term applies to the stages of enlightenment. If a person has the intelligence to help others, then we can say he is “nek mian buon”. If through jeopardy he survived, then we say he is “nek mean buon” for without his merits (gifts, previous acts of intelligence), he wouldn’t have diverted catastrophe. If a person ultimately found the intelligence, we say “nek mian buon baan tras ding huuy” like a Buddha. “Nek mian buon” is a prerequisite stage to becoming ultimately enlightened as a buddha. In the case of The Buddha, he found enlightenment without a teacher, by Himself. With the case of a buddha, they need assistance like adhering to The Buddha’s precepts and teachings to find their own enlightenment.

    This is just my sense. I’m not literate in Khmer, I hope you forgive me.

    #316025
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    Reksmey,

    You have provided a very helpful contribution. Besides, your writing skill has improved quite a bit too, as you address the topic in question directly and nicely. Keep up the good writing skill, my man!

    Yes, Bonn has to do with merits. I keep forgetting this important word “merits” as a big factor of Bonn. Neak Mean Bonn is someone who has merits credited through good deeds in previous lives.

    Relative to enlightenment, I heard similar things too. I heard that some of the Neak Mean Bonns are candidate to enlightenment. As you explained, enlightenment is what Buddha achieved. All I have heard of Neak Mean Bonn concept has been positive and good.

    According to your reply, “If a person ultimately found the intelligence, we say “nek mian buon baan tras ding huuy” like a Buddha.”, we know that someone is a Neak Mean Bonn if he or she has shown the smart “ïntelligence”.

    For this, I have a follow-up stupid question. (Stupid, because I seem not to get some obvious answers. I need help!)

    How do we know that one gets the intelligence? Broadly speaking, how do we know a person is a Neak Mean Bonn?

    I hope you and other KC friends can help commenting on these questions.

    [i]Originally posted by reksmay[/i]
    Veayoo,

    I appreciate your bringing this phrase to the question. It is very helpful. I don’t have any technical version as you have sufficiently provided already. For the phrase itself, it encapsulates those various meanings. All we have to do is solidify them into the overall meaning.

    “Nek Mian Buon” is a phrase more closely to mean an Enlightened Being. An Enlightened Being is one who is endowed with merits, buon, who through his intelligence (panna) accrued them over eons of births and rebirths by various deeds like charity, building, etc. Without this panna, he cannot be the leader. Those who lack prajna (intelligence) as we know cannot sufficiently lead people into well being.

    One’s merits are one’s gifts. The intelligence to create one’s gifts is superior. Each of us has buon for without buon we cannot exist on Earth. It is a matter of relativity. And, that is what it is all about—relativity. Because of relativity as it is dependent on the variance of how we collect and or commit merits, this term could be applied to many people. “Nek mian buon” could apply to the Arahat, Arahan, Pudh Borisat, Maha Borisat, Preah Po-ti-satt. Each of these titles imply a certain level of intelligence accrued. Because of such intelligence, they are capable of leading themselves to well being as well as others. All these terms are more heavily lenient toward Buddhism. There is no way I can explain it without having it bias toward religion as Khmer culture derive their language and such through religious text and affiliation, which is Buddhism.

    The term applies to the stages of enlightenment. If a person has the intelligence to help others, then we can say he is “nek mian buon”. If through jeopardy he survived, then we say he is “nek mean buon” for without his merits (gifts, previous acts of intelligence), he wouldn’t have diverted catastrophe. If a person ultimately found the intelligence, we say “nek mian buon baan tras ding huuy” like a Buddha. “Nek mian buon” is a prerequisite stage to becoming ultimately enlightened as a buddha. In the case of The Buddha, he found enlightenment without a teacher, by Himself. With the case of a buddha, they need assistance like adhering to The Buddha’s precepts and teachings to find their own enlightenment.

    This is just my sense. I’m not literate in Khmer, I hope you forgive me.

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