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    veayoo
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    I have come across this Cambodian term quite a bit lately. I do not quite get its meaning.

    Does any of you know what it means?

    How do we know it?

    What is it for?

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    My apology for KC stupid postings by a KC member:

    I’d like to alert readers that starting at page 15 and on of this thread, there are unsolicited comments by a KC member by the name of hanzze. He does not like what this thread is about and post unrelated information. This member hanzze keeps posting unrelated materials which have nothing to do with Neak Mean Bonn matter which is the original topic I try to detail.

    I attempted to stop him from doing the uncivilized, disrespectful and out-of-subject postings many times. He has failed to respect the civilized way to communicate write/ post anything that his lowly educated mind thinks of.

    For readers who like to follow Neak Mean Bonn topic, please skip his stupid and out-of-subject comments. This way, you’d read about Neak Mean Bonn topic.

    Otherwise, readers who enjoy silly and out-of-subject contribution, his postings are there for you! By doing so, please do not blame me for getting confused :(

    My apology for the inconvenience. I however have no control on his disturbing behavior and on KC rules with regard to the uncivilized behavior.

    [Message last modified 07-07-2012 02:05am by veayoo]

    #315945
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    Literally, in Cambodian, the three separate words are quite simple.

    Neak = A person.
    Mean = Possessing or having.
    Bonn = Good things or deeds.

    As Cambodians celebrate a religious ceremony, they say they make a Bonn. New Year ceremony is called Bonn Chol Chhnam or Enter New Year Bonn. Furthermore, Cambodians celebrate lots of Bonns every year.

    The Cambodian slang of Neak Mean Bonn does not seem to mean the above direct and literal meaning. The culture seems to encapsulate some hidden concepts that are not clear to me personally.

    So, what do you know about this Cambodian slang (Neak mean Bonn)?

    [i]Originally posted by veayoo[/i]
    I have come across this Cambodian term quite a bit lately. I do not quite get its meaning.

    Does any of you know what it means?

    [Message last modified 10-01-2009 10:25pm by veayoo]

    #315957
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    Your trying to put khmer words like a foreigner. lolzz.. And forgeiner are idiots..not saying it to u tho k…

    Neak Mean Bonn is a term meaning he/she is born with a gift…The gift can be great big or small..that it..

    #315966
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    PhnomKlarSar,

    Neak Mean Bonn is a person born with a gift. This is a good meaning. Any other meaning?

    Readers of this site and pages may be foreign to Khmer language. I break the Khmer slang down trying to ease reading from those who are not fluent in Khmer.

    Good input!

    [i]Originally posted by PhnomKlarSar[/i]
    Your trying to put khmer words like a foreigner. lolzz.. And forgeiner are idiots..not saying it to u tho k…

    Neak Mean Bonn is a term meaning he/she is born with a gift…The gift can be great big or small..that it..

    #315976

    AhSaren
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    My parent are neak mean bonn to me. :)

    #315985
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    AhSaren,

    This concept could be helpful too.

    A more direct Khmer term for what you mean is Neak Mean Kun. Kun means good and precious acts toward us or so.

    A Kun could be considered as a Bonn, I guess!

    [i]Originally posted by AhSaren[/i]
    My parent are neak mean bonn to me. :)

    #315996
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    Academically speaking, according to Rev Chuon Nat Khmer dictionary, the Cambodian word Bonn derived from a Pali word “Ponha”.

    The Pali word Ponha means something good for distilling mind, or something good resulting from a kind mind such as Bonn, good credit or good deed.

    The dictionary explains the word Panha using the word Bonn itself.

    The dictionary Pali reference and definition have not helped to fully understand the Khmer slang “Neak Mean Bonn” well yet. I hope someone could help make the concept clearer and more meaningful.

    #316006
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    The same Khmer dictionary makes reference to sanskrit root of the word Bonn.

    The sanskrit word actually is actually current Khmer spelling of the word Bonn. It could be spelled like Bonnaya, or so.

    Bonnaya means pure, beautiful, good, lovable, something wishable.

    The academic roots and meanings have not helped explaining the puzzling word Neak Mean Bonn yet.

    #316015
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    Veayoo,

    I appreciate your bringing this phrase to the question. It is very helpful. I don’t have any technical version as you have sufficiently provided already. For the phrase itself, it encapsulates those various meanings. All we have to do is solidify them into the overall meaning.

    “Nek Mian Buon” is a phrase more closely to mean an Enlightened Being. An Enlightened Being is one who is endowed with merits, buon, who through his intelligence (panna) accrued them over eons of births and rebirths by various deeds like charity, building, etc. Without this panna, he cannot be the leader. Those who lack prajna (intelligence) as we know cannot sufficiently lead people into well being.

    One’s merits are one’s gifts. The intelligence to create one’s gifts is superior. Each of us has buon for without buon we cannot exist on Earth. It is a matter of relativity. And, that is what it is all about—relativity. Because of relativity as it is dependent on the variance of how we collect and or commit merits, this term could be applied to many people. “Nek mian buon” could apply to the Arahat, Arahan, Pudh Borisat, Maha Borisat, Preah Po-ti-satt. Each of these titles imply a certain level of intelligence accrued. Because of such intelligence, they are capable of leading themselves to well being as well as others. All these terms are more heavily lenient toward Buddhism. There is no way I can explain it without having it bias toward religion as Khmer culture derive their language and such through religious text and affiliation, which is Buddhism.

    The term applies to the stages of enlightenment. If a person has the intelligence to help others, then we can say he is “nek mian buon”. If through jeopardy he survived, then we say he is “nek mean buon” for without his merits (gifts, previous acts of intelligence), he wouldn’t have diverted catastrophe. If a person ultimately found the intelligence, we say “nek mian buon baan tras ding huuy” like a Buddha. “Nek mian buon” is a prerequisite stage to becoming ultimately enlightened as a buddha. In the case of The Buddha, he found enlightenment without a teacher, by Himself. With the case of a buddha, they need assistance like adhering to The Buddha’s precepts and teachings to find their own enlightenment.

    This is just my sense. I’m not literate in Khmer, I hope you forgive me.

    #316025
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    Reksmey,

    You have provided a very helpful contribution. Besides, your writing skill has improved quite a bit too, as you address the topic in question directly and nicely. Keep up the good writing skill, my man!

    Yes, Bonn has to do with merits. I keep forgetting this important word “merits” as a big factor of Bonn. Neak Mean Bonn is someone who has merits credited through good deeds in previous lives.

    Relative to enlightenment, I heard similar things too. I heard that some of the Neak Mean Bonns are candidate to enlightenment. As you explained, enlightenment is what Buddha achieved. All I have heard of Neak Mean Bonn concept has been positive and good.

    According to your reply, “If a person ultimately found the intelligence, we say “nek mian buon baan tras ding huuy” like a Buddha.”, we know that someone is a Neak Mean Bonn if he or she has shown the smart “ïntelligence”.

    For this, I have a follow-up stupid question. (Stupid, because I seem not to get some obvious answers. I need help!)

    How do we know that one gets the intelligence? Broadly speaking, how do we know a person is a Neak Mean Bonn?

    I hope you and other KC friends can help commenting on these questions.

    [i]Originally posted by reksmay[/i]
    Veayoo,

    I appreciate your bringing this phrase to the question. It is very helpful. I don’t have any technical version as you have sufficiently provided already. For the phrase itself, it encapsulates those various meanings. All we have to do is solidify them into the overall meaning.

    “Nek Mian Buon” is a phrase more closely to mean an Enlightened Being. An Enlightened Being is one who is endowed with merits, buon, who through his intelligence (panna) accrued them over eons of births and rebirths by various deeds like charity, building, etc. Without this panna, he cannot be the leader. Those who lack prajna (intelligence) as we know cannot sufficiently lead people into well being.

    One’s merits are one’s gifts. The intelligence to create one’s gifts is superior. Each of us has buon for without buon we cannot exist on Earth. It is a matter of relativity. And, that is what it is all about—relativity. Because of relativity as it is dependent on the variance of how we collect and or commit merits, this term could be applied to many people. “Nek mian buon” could apply to the Arahat, Arahan, Pudh Borisat, Maha Borisat, Preah Po-ti-satt. Each of these titles imply a certain level of intelligence accrued. Because of such intelligence, they are capable of leading themselves to well being as well as others. All these terms are more heavily lenient toward Buddhism. There is no way I can explain it without having it bias toward religion as Khmer culture derive their language and such through religious text and affiliation, which is Buddhism.

    The term applies to the stages of enlightenment. If a person has the intelligence to help others, then we can say he is “nek mian buon”. If through jeopardy he survived, then we say he is “nek mean buon” for without his merits (gifts, previous acts of intelligence), he wouldn’t have diverted catastrophe. If a person ultimately found the intelligence, we say “nek mian buon baan tras ding huuy” like a Buddha. “Nek mian buon” is a prerequisite stage to becoming ultimately enlightened as a buddha. In the case of The Buddha, he found enlightenment without a teacher, by Himself. With the case of a buddha, they need assistance like adhering to The Buddha’s precepts and teachings to find their own enlightenment.

    This is just my sense. I’m not literate in Khmer, I hope you forgive me.

    #316036
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    A culture is made up of a lot of things from written materials to myths, tales and unspoken things.

    One recent writing I found about Neak Mean Bonn equates this slang to king. Neak mean Bonn (spelled in the text as Neak Mean Bon) is a King: “Behind the pagoda you’ll see an artificial site located on the black hill characterized as resident of Neak Mean Bon or King.”

    Excerpt from the text below, found at:

    http://www.tourismcambodia.com/travelguides/provinces/?ProId=9

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    “You have to travel along the National Road N0 1 from Phnom Penh or Ta Khmao to Kilometre 29 then exceed about 50 metres, there is a gate at the right with a handwritten sign: “Ang Kor Chey Pagoda”. If we enter by trail about 1,600m, we will reach the entertainment centre. The pagoda is constructed with five peaks as the temple’s peaks. Before reaching the pagoda, we need to pass over a 100-meter wooden bridge; under the bridge, there is a big pond for keeping water during the dry season.

    Behind the pagoda you’ll see an artificial site located on the black hill characterized as resident of Neak Mean Bon or King. It is said that the black hill is a former palace, because they found ancient objects and equipment like bowls and pots characterizing ancient features. Now, the black hill has been organized and maintained by guards, because it relates to the belief in sacred objects there. Nowadays, Angkor Chey pagoda has a lot of local visitors, especially those, who cling to abstract belief; they go there to have themselves sacredly watered. In addition, Ang Kor Chey pagoda is surrounded with beautiful scenery offering cool shadows from the trees and a pleasant environment. ”

    [i]Originally posted by veayoo[/i]
    I have come across this Cambodian term quite a bit lately. I do not quite get its meaning.

    Does any of you know what it means?

    [Message last modified 10-03-2009 10:59pm by veayoo]

    [Message last modified 10-03-2009 11:00pm by veayoo]

    #316046
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    I’d like to reiterate that I have asked stupid questions that are of simple nature but may have obvious answers ready. Those ready answers just are not sufficient for me.

    On top of the stupidity, I am confessing that I have been confused. The confusion may have to do with my human poor nature to understand the Bonn and Neak Mean Bonn matters. It may have to do also with perhaps with personal matters. With personal feeling and matters involved, I know I am far from being objective. With explanations and definitions, the concept is still very vague to me. I am just not sure what it really means. Now, you know why I started this thread and solicit inputs and help.

    While I just started to talk publicly about the topic, the concept of Neak Mean Bonn is not new to me. The term has been showered on me for more than three decades. Various sources have bombarded me with the slang.
    For a long time, I have ignored the bombardment. More and more pressure has built up though that I may not be able to handle it too much longer. Too much is at stake.

    #316056
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    On top the original question of what the slang means and the follow-up question of how can we tell Neak Mean Bonn existence, my third question is what the concept is for.

    In a clearer statement, I hope: if Neak Mean Bonn exists and there is at least a way to tell its existence, what a Neak Mean Bonn is for, anyway?

    #316066
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    Veayoo,

    In general, all human being are considered “nek mean buon” simply because we have the intelligence and or the capability to eat certain foods that only we could eat. The term ‘eat’ is used loosely. It implies eating one’s merits aside from the usual foods that we humans consume. When we run out of merits to consume, naturally this is seen as death. There are some of us who die early and then there are others that die old. This is to illustrate that we all have merits to be on Earth as we had accumulated to various degrees the foods we could consume. This is also to illustrate the commonality of the term “neak mean buon”.

    As always, underlined is the idea of relativity. Since most of us are on the baseline of “neak mean buon” concept, we dont shine as much for our merits/deeds/actions are in equal par with each other. The more a person does good deeds, the more he or she shine. What are good deeds? These are deeds that when done are beneficial to humanity and to self. Deeds like charity to the poor, the victims of catastrophes, the seekers of knowledge, etc. These are charity among peers, fellow human beings, that the more one accumulate in this deed, the better one shine for it. This is one indication of how we can measure “neak mean buon”, the candidate for higher consciousness. Constructions of schools, rest houses, hospitals, temples for spiritual learning and worshipping, etc., these are another sign of a person exhibiting higher consciousness as to be considered ‘neak mean buon’.

    There are many ways one can tell. Unfortunately, I can’t pen down what is called intuition unique to each individual, only some inklings of what one may perceive who is considered “neak mean buon” in society. In Khmer society, we often think Kings are worthy of praise, worthy to be called “neak mean buon”, and it is within their own sphears. But, as I mentioned relativity, there are certain things a person did in the pasts that qualified him to be king this life, yet lack so many other deeds that would see his merits to be full. This is called inadequate culmination of deeds expressing not in tandem with each other. A king, although considered “neak mean buon”, lack the intelligence (buon) to rule his country prosperously. He still has buon to reign, but his reign is so deficient in various ways as to see his nation really oppressed. This is one way one may distinguish between the essence of the term “neak mean buon”.

    We got to be mindful of the essence of the term and how it is expressed. In Buddhism, when ever one does good deeds, one often get blessings of ayu, vannak, porlak, and sokhak. There are the three phrases: “Pey-rek pean-nak” and “Pey-dek pean-nak” and “kom-bey klean kleat leuy”. These two phrases sound so similar to each other and when the ajah gave them to us, we thought it was good without little thought. I think some of the ajah do not really know why they said it even though they know how to say it. Sometimes you got to question the scholars.

    [digression]
    If we say that intelligence is what is called “neak mean buon”, why is it that we don’t call the ajah that, implying one who is worthy of praise, worthy of respects with knowledge to lead the mass? Many Khmer mistake on this, or at least the ajah. We often see ajahs boasting themselves to be so knowledgeable that they considered themselves enlightened being even (if not, at least I have heard of many). To differentiate this, consider the question: has any ajah ever seen to be the one doing the buon, that is his own master of the ceremony, the donor himself, rather than the one put in charge of conducting the ceremony? Very rare. [/ digression]

    “Pey-dek pean-nak” implies immediacy. We want those four blessings to come to us immediately. Not only so, we want them to come to us in tandem, expressing all attributes without delay as implied by the term “kom-bey klean kleat leuy”. Plus, ultimately we want nirvana as indicated by “Pey-rek pean-nak”. This is ideal as The Fully Enlightened Buddha expressed these attributes when He found Enlightenment. Yet, on the most part, few of us possess these attributes in tandem. That is why we see variations in intelligence, beauty, health, age, stregth, etc., as they all fall under the term “buon”. There are kings who rule but without intelligence, without weaalth, without longevity, etc. Then there are those of us, regular human who live long, live short, very sick, very healthy, very beautiful, very ugly, very obstructed in freedom of movement, etc. These are the examples or expression of our own deeds that we committed in the pasts.

    In short, to want merits, one must have intelligence to spot the merits in actions. To not want is to do nothing. To want and to do, one must take care not to spill. Such is the only way one will get ahead with any accumulation of good deeds to be considered “neak mean buon”. In considering to be “neak mean buon”, one must define what it is that is considered buon for self. If one defines “neak mean buon” to be a king, then surely one must work toward that objective. Similarly, if one defines “neak mean buon” to be a buddha, then surely one will know the requirements needed to fulfill that status. If one defines “neak mean buon” to be the Universal Buddha, then surely one will know what to do to achieve that status. It is a matter of what one defines and how one commit one’s actions to get there. As it is all relavity, how one achieves one’s dreams is dependent on one’s intelligence and one’s carefulness to achieve it.

    [i]Originally posted by veayoo[/i]
    Reksmey,

    How do we know that one gets the intelligence? Broadly speaking, how do we know a person is a Neak Mean Bonn?

    #316076
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    Generally, when one seeks “neak mean buon” one wants guidance. A person spotted to be “neak mean buon, will possess that quality of intelligence, the knowledge or Principles needed to lead others from a world of suffering to a world of peace. A person possessing the Knowledge to lead others from sufferings is considered the true essence of the term “neak mean buon”. That is the reason why, imo, neak mean buon is highly searched in the world.

    [i]Originally posted by veayoo[/i]

    In a clearer statement, I hope: if Neak Mean Bonn exists and there is at least a way to tell its existence, what a Neak Mean Bonn is for, anyway?

    #316086
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    Reksmey,

    Thank you for your kind advice. It has helped me quite a bit.

    Believe me, advices such as yours as well as other KC people such as PhnomKlarSar and AhSaren help to keep me in check with what Khmer culture and people are expected of a Neak Mean Bonn, if any.

    Personally, I have been dealing mainly with Baromeys about the matter. They have taught me a few things about the matter which is, in my understanding, their expertise. All along though, I have tried my best to keep checking to make sure that I am still in touch with our real human world. As you know, a person may get drifted too far in a spiritual world and lose the human touch, human expectation and, in general, human dharma.

    Again, the advices have kept me in check at a certain level.

    [i]Originally posted by reksmay[/i]
    Generally, when one seeks “neak mean buon” one wants guidance. A person spotted to be “neak mean buon, will possess that quality of intelligence, the knowledge or Principles needed to lead others from a world of suffering to a world of peace. A person possessing the Knowledge to lead others from sufferings is considered the true essence of the term “neak mean buon”. That is the reason why, imo, neak mean buon is highly searched in the world.

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by veayoo[/i]

    In a clearer statement, I hope: if Neak Mean Bonn exists and there is at least a way to tell its existence, what a Neak Mean Bonn is for, anyway?

    [/quote]

    #316097
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    Reksmey,

    Good guidance and intelligence are surely in the Neak Mean Bonn required qualification and job description.

    Presently, human may have satellite and camera lenses in the sky to zoom in and see/ record many earthy activities. The state-of-the art vision may not come with enough information to allow human to be intelligent enough to determine the correct strategy and actions to reach peace and prosperity goals, for instance.

    Neak Mean Bonn vision and intelligence, as I understand, would be more than just zooming from the sky like the case of satellite and camera. They would incorporate some divine capability. Divine eyes, as I have heard, should go beyond obstacles such as earth or spaces.

    God, gods and Borameys could see heavens, earth and hells matters. They can zoom in things that are beyond solid matters or far beyond empty space. Neak Mean Bonn, as I was told, is supposed to have divine vision/ eyes and intelligence.
    While I have been showered and bombarded with the slang, I do not have the qualification for the job description. In light of expectations, the qualification deficiency has bothered me quite a bit.

    As a human, I am used to the idea of “get it done”. I am not comfortable to go along with missions that I do not have enough staff, equipment or abilities. I do not like “mission impossible”.

    [i]Originally posted by veayoo[/i]

    In a clearer statement, I hope: if Neak Mean Bonn exists and there is at least a way to tell its existence, what a Neak Mean Bonn is for, anyway?

    [/quote]

    #316107
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    ” That is the reason why, imo, neak mean buon is highly searched in the world.”

    I keep searching for a real one myself. Feel ee to tell me where to go.

    [i]Originally posted by reksmay[/i]
    Generally, when one seeks “neak mean buon” one wants guidance. A person spotted to be “neak mean buon, will possess that quality of intelligence, the knowledge or Principles needed to lead others from a world of suffering to a world of peace. A person possessing the Knowledge to lead others from sufferings is considered the true essence of the term “neak mean buon”. That is the reason why, imo, neak mean buon is highly searched in the world.

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by veayoo[/i]

    In a clearer statement, I hope: if Neak Mean Bonn exists and there is at least a way to tell its existence, what a Neak Mean Bonn is for, anyway?

    [/quote]

    #316117
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    Veayoo,

    I think patience and dedication are the key to any success. If you don’t have it, work hard in building for it. Neak Mean Buon as you also state have devine perception. With the latest technology to go to the moon, the regular human eyes cannot perceive the Enlightened Beings presiding on the Moon. Beings with devine eyes could discern them. Plus, they could travel without using machinery through space and realm. Science, although it is the marking of any socially advanced civilization, fall very short in this capacity. It could be done through meditation.

    Human have only four elements in our system. We lack so much more elements(the specifics of which I do not know), that allow us to see beings of more elements than we do. We have short eye sight. If we have devine perception born from our dedications to purity of merits, we would have seen the Gods existing in our very own planets already. Because we have not accumulated enough, their existence remain in the etheral or imagination world. We often concentrate on searching for Devine Beings in the Celestial worlds like in outer space. But, often times we have forgot what is in front of us on Earth. That is what a person should work on, imo. See what is in front of them before they could see beyond.

    I have no experience with Borameys. I have heard that when a person meditate, that person should do so with the guidance of a master. Otherwise, if the person travel in his astro form and found a happy place, he forgot to get back to his body. A master, after the appointed time and his student haven’t returned, could go and fetch the soul back to the body. Otherwise, the body is said to be undead. It is said that the Undead Body lives for a long time and very strong too. They are known as Nek Ta or Lok Ta seen traversing the deep woods, I think. Are you familiar with such phenomenon?

    #316127
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    If you insist, look toward the East in SE Asia. There you will find Nek Mean Buon. At present he is leading followers on the path to peace. Land marks such as Prasats, Preah Vihear, School houses, Religious Shrines of monumentous proportions and more have been erected to absolve evils and curses so that those who believe may abide in the shade of peace and well being. In addition, they are landmarks that will serve a significant purpose in what is portend ahead, the neutralization of destructions. With each day passes, as more and more news of destructions involving both nature and mankind emerged in the tube, more and more Dharma/Sutra/Principles are imparted to the followers to learn to keep from harm’s way. Followers abide by the serene and sublime Dharma imparted by the Enlightened Being will see for themselves how beneficial they are to their well being. I am pointing the way only. The decision to embark is always up to each being of free will.

    [i]Originally posted by veayoo[/i]
    ” That is the reason why, imo, neak mean buon is highly searched in the world.”

    I keep searching for a real one myself. Feel ee to tell me where to go.

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by reksmay[/i]
    Generally, when one seeks “neak mean buon” one wants guidance. A person spotted to be “neak mean buon, will possess that quality of intelligence, the knowledge or Principles needed to lead others from a world of suffering to a world of peace. A person possessing the Knowledge to lead others from sufferings is considered the true essence of the term “neak mean buon”. That is the reason why, imo, neak mean buon is highly searched in the world.

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by veayoo[/i]

    In a clearer statement, I hope: if Neak Mean Bonn exists and there is at least a way to tell its existence, what a Neak Mean Bonn is for, anyway?

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    #316145
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    Reksmey,

    I strongly hope I get enough Bonn merits to meet the Neak Mean Boon.

    [i]Originally posted by reksmay[/i]
    If you insist, look toward the East in SE Asia. There you will find Nek Mean Buon. At present he is leading followers on the path to peace. Land marks such as Prasats, Preah Vihear, School houses, Religious Shrines of monumentous proportions and more have been erected to absolve evils and curses so that those who believe may abide in the shade of peace and well being. In addition, they are landmarks that will serve a significant purpose in what is portend ahead, the neutralization of destructions. With each day passes, as more and more news of destructions involving both nature and mankind emerged in the tube, more and more Dharma/Sutra/Principles are imparted to the followers to learn to keep from harm’s way. Followers abide by the serene and sublime Dharma imparted by the Enlightened Being will see for themselves how beneficial they are to their well being. I am pointing the way only. The decision to embark is always up to each being of free will.

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by veayoo[/i]
    ” That is the reason why, imo, neak mean buon is highly searched in the world.”

    I keep searching for a real one myself. Feel ee to tell me where to go.

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by reksmay[/i]
    Generally, when one seeks “neak mean buon” one wants guidance. A person spotted to be “neak mean buon, will possess that quality of intelligence, the knowledge or Principles needed to lead others from a world of suffering to a world of peace. A person possessing the Knowledge to lead others from sufferings is considered the true essence of the term “neak mean buon”. That is the reason why, imo, neak mean buon is highly searched in the world.

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by veayoo[/i]

    In a clearer statement, I hope: if Neak Mean Bonn exists and there is at least a way to tell its existence, what a Neak Mean Bonn is for, anyway?

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    [Message last modified 10-06-2009 01:56pm by veayoo]

    #316155
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    The Neak Mean Bonn issue for me is actually whether it is Real or Not Real.

    As I stated earlier, I have been showered and bombarded with the term for years. As far as I can remember, the first telling came to me over 30 years ago, in 1978. The last telling came as recent as last month, September of 2009.

    I have not been able to convince myself of the various tellings.

    [Message last modified 10-06-2009 01:57pm by veayoo]

    #316136
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    veayoo
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    If my postings seem to be bragging, they may be just that, plus more. I however do them with a few purposes.

    First, it is a way to communicate with Borameys. As far as I know, the bodiless beings have followed my lines and writings. We have discussed many things from my writing. My brag is a way to complaint to them as well as to push my learning in the spiritual field further!

    Secondly, I hope readers get informed somehow in this mysterious adventure. I tell what I have been told.

    Thirdly, I am documenting my adventure. These writings will be part of a book down the road. I caný tell when that will happen.

    #316165
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    veayoo
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    In 1978, a few months after Hun Sen army and allies kicked the Khmer Rouge out of power in Cambodia, I was ready to move to Cambodia-Thailand border to make a living in international trade. I also need to seek for ways to get out for higher education schooling abroad, a lifelong goal that was not killed by the Khmer Rouge savage attempt.

    Before I left, relatives and friends sent me to meet an 80 years old grandma for blessing or so. Relatives and friends wished lucks for me. The old grandma was a well known Kru.

    As soon as she started her protocol, she turned to me and said that I am a Neak Mean Bonn. I did not understand what she means. I thought she means I am a sharp student, a quality that I proudly built for myself.

    Close to 20 years later, as I had more time to reflect on life, Samsara and soul matters, the term started to be repetitive. The term was thrown on me consistently that what grandma said began to make some sense.

    In her ritual, the grandma blessed me and wrap on my wrists with cotton threads embedded with blessing mantras. She also sent 2 Kid Borameys (Mrinh Veal) with me, she said.

    While I was not sure about Kid Borameys use, I did what she told me. I feed them and pray them for a while. At one point though, I was careless with my Kid Borameys. As I departed to the US, I felt that the Kid Borameys did not come with me.

    In 1993, as I went back to Cambodia for a visit, my new Kru sent a few Kid Borameys with me again. Among the new Kid Borameys, there is Komar Sak Meas (Kid With Golden Hair).

    I have had conversation with Komar Sak Meas many times so far. The last conversation along with what happened proved to me that He is for real. He is powerful and good!!! I still owe Him good chocolates.

    He proved to me that he is powerful. It was last September the 18th, the 2009 Cambodian Pchum Ben. I was separated from my new 18 years old girl friend over the holiday and I was not sure that she would come back to me. She had indicated of some trouble in her mind. Well, she came to me virgin and we had good time and good sex! With our age difference, I was not sure that she would come back to me.

    With Komar Sak Meas appearance, I decided to test his power. I asked him to help get my girl back to me. I asked him forcefully, like an old brother addressing to his younger one. My frustrated request made me feel more like I was a general commanding his army.

    The last Pchum Ben and that last day I asked Komar Sak Meas was a Saturday. At my request, Komar Sak Meas showed difficulty to help. Finally, he said that she would not come till the following Monday afternoon. I was so anxious to see the test result. Furthermore, I was told that we’ll remain friends as long as I want to.

    Well, sure enough, on the following Monday afternoon, my newly found virgin girl friend called and came. I was overwhelmed with joyce to see her and to see that my personal Boramey guard is that powerful and kind :)

    With this positive test result and proof, I can never be surer of Kid Boramey existence and the miraculous things they could do. I am a real believer in them now.

    While I am a believer in my Kid Borameys and their miraculous power, I am questioning the status of a Neak Mean Bonn that been thrown on me.

    [Message last modified 10-06-2009 02:55pm by veayoo]

    #316175
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    Diamond2
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    IF you really a godsend, then you would know how to control your homo for dating someone who is like your daughter.

    #316183
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    veayoo
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    Thanks to the opportunity to post in this thread, I remembered my promise to my personal Secret Service, the invisible Kid Borameys, my lovely Komar Sak Meas.

    I get the best chocolates available for him. I also get extra chocolates for his bosses too.

    He and his whole team really deserves my love and respect.

    #316194
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    veayoo
    Participant

    Diamond2,

    I am questioning whether I am a Neak mean Bonn or a Godsend or so. May be you could help out.

    With regard to dating a much younger girl, you are right talking by the American way, which downgrades dating among people of different ages.

    The Cambodian way is not really going by the American thought and practice. Farther than that, the bodiless world actually does not really care about the age barrier. Age/ time system and concept seem to be different over there. A 10 million years old Indra may have to take in a new and young girl Devada who just got admitted to his heaven. What would he supposed to do? Push the new girl Devada back to earth or hells?

    In my young girl case, she and I did not talk for over a year. All a sudden she called me after this much time lapse and wanted to come and be my girl friend.

    According to the right Dharma, what was I supposed to do besides giving her what she asked for? I need to build merits and Bonns!  While I was doing what I did, I remember a phrase in Buddhist Dharma. It is in the Dharma that Buddhists chant while offering foods to Buddhist monks. “All these foods were acquired by Dharma means with Dharma ways (Ban Mok Doy Thor, Prakob Doy Thor)”. Lol.

    For people who have followed my writings, I was fearful of a Boramey telling which stated that I will have 12 wives and 31 children!

    First, I complained that I cannot feed that many children or pay that many child supports. To that complaint, I was told that the Mohanokor wealth will be more than I need for that purpose.

    Later, I complained that polygamy is against both Cambodia and American laws. I was really afraid to go in prison for doing anything like that and end up being in a big house. I have no inspiration for breaking any laws. I am of Dharma kind of people. Dharma means laws etc.

    For the polygamy complaint, The One and Only God Preah Beida Tep Ek came to explain. I did not ask him the question. He provided the answer knowing that I was full of fear. He said I will not have more than one wives at the same time, but one after the other. I was relieved of the fear then.

    Honestly, I never want to be with more than a woman in my life. I love stability like most people. The many women cycle comes with sad and solitude times as I have experienced. Circumstances though keep happening to direct me toward the telling. I am looking to be done with the set and told marital fate.

    I wanted to see my 18 years old again because I do not want to be seen as a virgin hunter. I surely love the pure and untapped virginity. I do not need to hunt though. The right one would come without me putting too much sweat  Every time one comes though, I sweated :)

    I wanted to see my young girl friend again because I want to help her to my best ability. I frankly want to build good things in her and for her. This is what dharma has taught me. She is happy now. I do everything I can to keep her happy :)

    If Neak Mean Bonn means a gifted person, I begin to wander whether what happened recently in my romance was a God and Boramey gift. ???

    [i]Originally posted by Diamond2[/i]
    IF you really a godsend, then you would know how to control your homo for dating someone who is like your daughter.

    #316204
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    veayoo
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    Earlier today morning, I had a chance to watch a TV/ cable program at History channel that helps explain what I am about to write up. It explains the concept of heavens, earth and hells in this English/ Scotland myth. The English/ Scotland myth narrated in this program seems fits well what I have been told with regard to the Neak Mean Bonn concept.

    Besides showing magics in the Lord of Rings, hobbits, orcs and wizards etc, the program showed a tree picture.
    The tree trunk is earth. The roots are hells. The tree branches and leaves are heavens.

    It appears like the concepts are not specific to cambodian or asian cultures.

    If you are in doubt about how I have ended up watching this kind of programs, let me tell you what I have been wondering. I have wondered that I got led to read or watch this kind of program by someone. That someone may be Borameys who are eager to teach me divine stuffs.

    *******

    Clash of the Gods: Tolkien’s Monsters

    The story behind the world’s most renowned modern myth. Enter creator J.R.R. Tolkien’s fantastical world of hobbits, orcs and wizards, and uncover the real life influences that shaped his epic fantasy, The Lord of the Rings.

    http://www.history.com/schedule.do?action=&date=20091006&time=0100&timeZone=CST&x=13&y=6#

    ***********

    #316213
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    Hindu, Khmer, Buddhism, and ancient Greek all say Gods live on a mountian.(in another realm)

    [Message last modified 10-07-2009 01:08am by ------]

    #316223
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    chhuck1
    Participant

    You are nothing but a dirty old man. life in our country is still very hard; many young women have resort to marry old goat like you to gain a better living condition for her and her family. they do it out of neccessity. I am not here to judge your behavior, but for you to brag about it, and called your self neark mean bonn is really piss me off. I know that you have money to buy the poor girl’s love. please do not try to justify yourself, or used some mumbo jumbo holy explanation of american way vs cambodian way, blah blah, blah. let me ask you a question, would you feel ok if your own young daughter has to shack up with an old toad like your self because of no other prospect in live? Last, but not least, TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE LESS FORTUNATES DOES NOT MAKE YOU “NEARK MEAN BONN”.

    [i]Originally posted by veayoo[/i]

    Diamond2,

    I am questioning whether I am a Neak mean Bonn or a Godsend or so. May be you could help out.

    With regard to dating a much younger girl, you are right talking by the American way, which downgrades dating among people of different ages.

    The Cambodian way is not really going by the American thought and practice. Farther than that, the bodiless world actually does not really care about the age barrier. Age/ time system and concept seem to be different over there. A 10 million years old Indra may have to take in a new and young girl Devada who just got admitted to his heaven. What would he supposed to do? Push the new girl Devada back to earth or hells?

    In my young girl case, she and I did not talk for over a year. All a sudden she called me after this much time lapse and wanted to come and be my girl friend.

    According to the right Dharma, what was I supposed to do besides giving her what she asked for? I need to build merits and Bonns!  While I was doing what I did, I remember a phrase in Buddhist Dharma. It is in the Dharma that Buddhists chant while offering foods to Buddhist monks. “All these foods were acquired by Dharma means with Dharma ways (Ban Mok Doy Thor, Prakob Doy Thor)”. Lol.

    For people who have followed my writings, I was fearful of a Boramey telling which stated that I will have 12 wives and 31 children!

    First, I complained that I cannot feed that many children or pay that many child supports. To that complaint, I was told that the Mohanokor wealth will be more than I need for that purpose.

    Later, I complained that polygamy is against both Cambodia and American laws. I was really afraid to go in prison for doing anything like that and end up being in a big house. I have no inspiration for breaking any laws. I am of Dharma kind of people. Dharma means laws etc.

    For the polygamy complaint, The One and Only God Preah Beida Tep Ek came to explain. I did not ask him the question. He provided the answer knowing that I was full of fear. He said I will not have more than one wives at the same time, but one after the other. I was relieved of the fear then.

    Honestly, I never want to be with more than a woman in my life. I love stability like most people. The many women cycle comes with sad and solitude times as I have experienced. Circumstances though keep happening to direct me toward the telling. I am looking to be done with the set and told marital fate.

    I wanted to see my 18 years old again because I do not want to be seen as a virgin hunter. I surely love the pure and untapped virginity. I do not need to hunt though. The right one would come without me putting too much sweat  Every time one comes though, I sweated :)

    I wanted to see my young girl friend again because I want to help her to my best ability. I frankly want to build good things in her and for her. This is what dharma has taught me. She is happy now. I do everything I can to keep her happy :)

    If Neak Mean Bonn means a gifted person, I begin to wander whether what happened recently in my romance was a God and Boramey gift. ???

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Diamond2[/i]
    IF you really a godsend, then you would know how to control your homo for dating someone who is like your daughter.

    [/quote]

    #316244
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    veayoo
    Participant

    I saw this kind of pisting behavior in previous threads as well. I do expect this kind of comment in a public arena, especially when ones could hide behind an anonymous name. I normally do not spend much time on it. There are things to get done in the purposes.

    Furthermore, the world never has complete agreement. What is good for the Devadas is not for the demons/ Yaks. I realized that with Borameys. They have demons to fight.

    As I can pick, the comment means that I am not a Neak Mean Bonn :)

    As far as the virgin matter, I did not try to brag about it. I was pointing out my test with my Kid Boramey.

    As far as I concern, the girl took advantage of my nice hospitality, but it is ok for me. I try to be a nice guy as always. Legally, she came to mt residence and sexually abused me. But as I stated, I try to be nice as part of merit build up. As a majority of people, you may not agree with the idea that ths is part of merit deeds. It took me a while to realize this. It will take most people quite q while to get the essence of this dharma which has not been agreed by various religions including Buddhism, Hinduism, Christianity and Islam.

    The asumption about marriage and money are all wrong. No marriage took place and no money involved. The girl is of a wealthy family while I am broke and loaded with debts.

    Another wrong statement. I did not call myself a Neak Mean Bonn. The term has been thrown on me. I am questioning its validity! And I am not done with questions yet!!!

    In a free society, it does not matter what a father feels like if an adult daughter decide to date a toad, a dog or a horse.

    I have seen pisting and uncontrolled comment like this before. It reminded me of how sex and power could bring. There always screamings when it comes to the prime steaks.

    In lion prides, the lion king that is in control has to risk his life defending his pride and lionesses. The lion king has to fight the unfortunate lions who are pisted for not having the sex or the power or Bonn to control a pride.

    The world is full of pisted beings.

    [i]Originally posted by chhuck1[/i]
    You are nothing but a dirty old man. life in our country is still very hard; many young women have resort to marry old goat like you to gain a better living condition for her and her family. they do it out of neccessity. I am not here to judge your behavior, but for you to brag about it, and called your self neark mean bonn is really piss me off. I know that you have money to buy the poor girl’s love. please do not try to justify yourself, or used some mumbo jumbo holy explanation of american way vs cambodian way, blah blah, blah. let me ask you a question, would you feel ok if your own young daughter has to shack up with an old toad like your self because of no other prospect in live? Last, but not least, TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE LESS FORTUNATES DOES NOT MAKE YOU “NEARK MEAN BONN”.

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by veayoo[/i]

    Diamond2,

    I am questioning whether I am a Neak mean Bonn or a Godsend or so. May be you could help out.

    With regard to dating a much younger girl, you are right talking by the American way, which downgrades dating among people of different ages.

    The Cambodian way is not really going by the American thought and practice. Farther than that, the bodiless world actually does not really care about the age barrier. Age/ time system and concept seem to be different over there. A 10 million years old Indra may have to take in a new and young girl Devada who just got admitted to his heaven. What would he supposed to do? Push the new girl Devada back to earth or hells?

    In my young girl case, she and I did not talk for over a year. All a sudden she called me after this much time lapse and wanted to come and be my girl friend.

    According to the right Dharma, what was I supposed to do besides giving her what she asked for? I need to build merits and Bonns!  While I was doing what I did, I remember a phrase in Buddhist Dharma. It is in the Dharma that Buddhists chant while offering foods to Buddhist monks. “All these foods were acquired by Dharma means with Dharma ways (Ban Mok Doy Thor, Prakob Doy Thor)”. Lol.

    For people who have followed my writings, I was fearful of a Boramey telling which stated that I will have 12 wives and 31 children!

    First, I complained that I cannot feed that many children or pay that many child supports. To that complaint, I was told that the Mohanokor wealth will be more than I need for that purpose.

    Later, I complained that polygamy is against both Cambodia and American laws. I was really afraid to go in prison for doing anything like that and end up being in a big house. I have no inspiration for breaking any laws. I am of Dharma kind of people. Dharma means laws etc.

    For the polygamy complaint, The One and Only God Preah Beida Tep Ek came to explain. I did not ask him the question. He provided the answer knowing that I was full of fear. He said I will not have more than one wives at the same time, but one after the other. I was relieved of the fear then.

    Honestly, I never want to be with more than a woman in my life. I love stability like most people. The many women cycle comes with sad and solitude times as I have experienced. Circumstances though keep happening to direct me toward the telling. I am looking to be done with the set and told marital fate.

    I wanted to see my 18 years old again because I do not want to be seen as a virgin hunter. I surely love the pure and untapped virginity. I do not need to hunt though. The right one would come without me putting too much sweat  Every time one comes though, I sweated :)

    I wanted to see my young girl friend again because I want to help her to my best ability. I frankly want to build good things in her and for her. This is what dharma has taught me. She is happy now. I do everything I can to keep her happy :)

    If Neak Mean Bonn means a gifted person, I begin to wander whether what happened recently in my romance was a God and Boramey gift. ???

    [quote]
    [i]Originally posted by Diamond2[/i]
    IF you really a godsend, then you would know how to control your homo for dating someone who is like your daughter.

    [/quote]
    [/quote]

    [Message last modified 10-07-2009 09:41am by veayoo]

    [Message last modified 10-07-2009 10:52am by veayoo]

    #316235
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    veayoo
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    ——,

    True. Shiva was said to live in Kailasa. Indian myths say Kailasa is at the mountain/ forrest of Hemapean/ Himalaya.

    Some writngs say Kailasa is in heavens.

    My Borameys told me that Shiva/ the One and Only God live in the 16th Prum Plane, the highest floor of heavens. He is known there as Moha Prum.

    It appears like they have their own White House, Camp David, hotels and trees or parks, etc.

    [i]Originally posted by ——[/i]
    Hindu, Khmer, Buddhism, and ancient Greek all say Gods live on a mountian.(in another realm)

    [Message last modified 10-07-2009 01:08am by ------]

    [Message last modified 10-07-2009 09:42am by veayoo]

    #316254
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    veayoo
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    His name is God, the One and Only God, Shiva, or Moha Prum.

    To my poor knowledge, he has no less than 12 wives, one after another: Sati, Parvati, Kali, Uma, Ganga, Chandi, Mahavidya, Mahagauri, Shailputri, Lalita…

    I read somewhere that all his different wives were actually the reincarnation of Sati, Shiva’s first wife and the daughter of Brahma.

    A reincarnation process includes death, soul processing by Yama, birth, and growth before reaching adulthood which is legal for marriage. This means that Shiva was much older than his consorts!

    If the many wives story or the reincarnation is true, how old was Shiva when he met his second wife or the later ones?

    I have NOT come across any reading that states complaint of age difference in God sex and marriage.

    #316264
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    veayoo
    Participant

    No one I have met seems to be able to beat God. Borameys said he is the top One while human seems not having anything better.

    Being on top of the chain, his Bonn seems to be a little different than anybody else. His Bonn may be not just a gift or collected merits.

    If Bonn is a gift, who gave it to him?

    If Bonn is collected merits, when did he start to collect them? Compared to Buddha who may have had collected his enlightenment merits for eons of lives, how many lives did God do that to enable Him the magical power to create all lives and things on earth, heavens and hells?

    His supreme Bonn seems to involve Power. We are talking about power to create and destroy everything including the world.

    Talking about His power to destroy, I keep thinking of the Kaliyuga in which our era is in. In this era, it was said that people get wildly smarter, such as students know more than teachers (true). The wildly smart and new intelligence will be for nothing as at the end of this Kaliyuga era, as everything will be destroyed and gone. Global warming and everything else seems to move along the prediction.

    It was said that Bonns may last beyond that point. Our knowledge, degrees, books or inventions will not! With this perspective, I am looking forward to ask my God more questions about his Bonn and general Bonn the next time he’ll allow me another appointment.

    One most important question would be what do I need to do to be a real Neak Mean Bonn so that my soul could survive well to the next new yuga and beyond :)

    [Message last modified 10-08-2009 12:18am by veayoo]

    #316274
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    veayoo
    Participant

    The last time I met Him, I did not have questions ready. Despite solo tune most of the times, this kind of postings help me to find good questions and topics (as in the preceding posting) to communicate with my God. I have to go through a learning process to get better.

    His way of reading my questions may not be what we, human, does. I read word by word and line by line or so. He has Divine Eye and may not have to combine vowels with consonants as we do at all.

    At one point, I wrote about whether I should do meditation for enlightenment or nirvana. Not long after that posting, as I had a session with Him and without me asking the specific question, He explained that nirvana is not a subject to think about. Nirvana is his and his only. He said enlightenment is worthwhile to go after. His wife, Preah Karl/ Preah Me Kali even gave me mantras to recite in meditation. My human problem is that I have not been serious about the meditation and have not applied the mantra yet. In the meditation area, Preah Me Kali has been considered as the gate keeper to enlightenment. That is she keeps scores to pass the enlightenment.

    The question of what I should start doing to get to the enlightenment is worth bringing up in the next session as well.

    In case you missed my notes with regard to my conversation with present Buddha, he told me a few new things. He said he is not at nirvana. He achieved high dharma and got enlightened. His high dharma and enlightenment allow him to be born again, thus not to suffer and die again. He is gone away from Samsara and from all the sufferings that life normally brings. Despite staying away from Samsara and life, his soul is still there. That why he was able to talk to me.

    My personal research into the soul, Borameys and God world has brought to me quite a bit of new findings. These findings have been quite a bit contradictory to what have been in books, sutras, bibles or Coran etc. I do not expect everyone to believe in the findings. Take what you like or what you can.

    As far as I can remember, there are always questions whether to believe in these matters. With these recurring questions, I can predict that the same will keep occur thousands of years from now.

    I do not have interest or time to convince people of what I have seen, witnessed or… As a human, my interest is to dig deeper into the mystery and try to get the best out of things. One of the things that I am interested in is to design and implement solid peace and prosperity for Cambodia, the Mohanokor, Asia and the whole world. My human research brought me to realize that my peace and prosperity goals are the same as what the USA, the United Nation Organization and ASEAN are after.

    My personal ambition is Bonn. I talked about Sampeay Bonn, a big bag of merits :)

    ***

    [i]Originally posted by veayoo[/i]
    No one I have met seems to be able to beat God. Borameys said he is the top One while human seems not having anything better.

    Being on top of the chain, his Bonn seems to be a little different than anybody else. His Bonn may be not just a gift or collected merits.

    If Bonn is a gift, who gave it to him?

    If Bonn is collected merits, when did he start to collect them? Compared to Buddha who may have had collected his enlightenment merits for eons of lives, how many lives did God do that to enable Him the magical power to create all lives and things on earth, heavens and hells?

    His supreme Bonn seems to involve Power. We are talking about power to create and destroy everything including the world.

    Talking about His power to destroy, I keep thinking of the Kaliyuga in which our era is in. In this era, it was said that people get wildly smarter, such as students know more than teachers (true). The wildly smart and new intelligence will be for nothing as at the end of this Kaliyuga era, as everything will be destroyed and gone. Global warming and everything else seems to move along the prediction.

    It was said that Bonns may last beyond that point. Our knowledge, degrees, books or inventions will not! With this perspective, I am looking forward to ask my God more questions about his Bonn and general Bonn the next time he’ll allow me another appointment.

    One most important question would be what do I need to do to be a real Neak Mean Bonn so that my soul could survive well to the next new yuga and beyond :)

    [Message last modified 10-08-2009 12:18am by veayoo]

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