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  • #316036
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    A culture is made up of a lot of things from written materials to myths, tales and unspoken things.

    One recent writing I found about Neak Mean Bonn equates this slang to king. Neak mean Bonn (spelled in the text as Neak Mean Bon) is a King: “Behind the pagoda you’ll see an artificial site located on the black hill characterized as resident of Neak Mean Bon or King.”

    Excerpt from the text below, found at:

    http://www.tourismcambodia.com/travelguides/provinces/?ProId=9

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    “You have to travel along the National Road N0 1 from Phnom Penh or Ta Khmao to Kilometre 29 then exceed about 50 metres, there is a gate at the right with a handwritten sign: “Ang Kor Chey Pagoda”. If we enter by trail about 1,600m, we will reach the entertainment centre. The pagoda is constructed with five peaks as the temple’s peaks. Before reaching the pagoda, we need to pass over a 100-meter wooden bridge; under the bridge, there is a big pond for keeping water during the dry season.

    Behind the pagoda you’ll see an artificial site located on the black hill characterized as resident of Neak Mean Bon or King. It is said that the black hill is a former palace, because they found ancient objects and equipment like bowls and pots characterizing ancient features. Now, the black hill has been organized and maintained by guards, because it relates to the belief in sacred objects there. Nowadays, Angkor Chey pagoda has a lot of local visitors, especially those, who cling to abstract belief; they go there to have themselves sacredly watered. In addition, Ang Kor Chey pagoda is surrounded with beautiful scenery offering cool shadows from the trees and a pleasant environment. ”

    [i]Originally posted by veayoo[/i]
    I have come across this Cambodian term quite a bit lately. I do not quite get its meaning.

    Does any of you know what it means?

    [Message last modified 10-03-2009 10:59pm by veayoo]

    [Message last modified 10-03-2009 11:00pm by veayoo]

    #316046
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    I’d like to reiterate that I have asked stupid questions that are of simple nature but may have obvious answers ready. Those ready answers just are not sufficient for me.

    On top of the stupidity, I am confessing that I have been confused. The confusion may have to do with my human poor nature to understand the Bonn and Neak Mean Bonn matters. It may have to do also with perhaps with personal matters. With personal feeling and matters involved, I know I am far from being objective. With explanations and definitions, the concept is still very vague to me. I am just not sure what it really means. Now, you know why I started this thread and solicit inputs and help.

    While I just started to talk publicly about the topic, the concept of Neak Mean Bonn is not new to me. The term has been showered on me for more than three decades. Various sources have bombarded me with the slang.
    For a long time, I have ignored the bombardment. More and more pressure has built up though that I may not be able to handle it too much longer. Too much is at stake.

    #316056
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    On top the original question of what the slang means and the follow-up question of how can we tell Neak Mean Bonn existence, my third question is what the concept is for.

    In a clearer statement, I hope: if Neak Mean Bonn exists and there is at least a way to tell its existence, what a Neak Mean Bonn is for, anyway?

    #316066
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    Veayoo,

    In general, all human being are considered “nek mean buon” simply because we have the intelligence and or the capability to eat certain foods that only we could eat. The term ‘eat’ is used loosely. It implies eating one’s merits aside from the usual foods that we humans consume. When we run out of merits to consume, naturally this is seen as death. There are some of us who die early and then there are others that die old. This is to illustrate that we all have merits to be on Earth as we had accumulated to various degrees the foods we could consume. This is also to illustrate the commonality of the term “neak mean buon”.

    As always, underlined is the idea of relativity. Since most of us are on the baseline of “neak mean buon” concept, we dont shine as much for our merits/deeds/actions are in equal par with each other. The more a person does good deeds, the more he or she shine. What are good deeds? These are deeds that when done are beneficial to humanity and to self. Deeds like charity to the poor, the victims of catastrophes, the seekers of knowledge, etc. These are charity among peers, fellow human beings, that the more one accumulate in this deed, the better one shine for it. This is one indication of how we can measure “neak mean buon”, the candidate for higher consciousness. Constructions of schools, rest houses, hospitals, temples for spiritual learning and worshipping, etc., these are another sign of a person exhibiting higher consciousness as to be considered ‘neak mean buon’.

    There are many ways one can tell. Unfortunately, I can’t pen down what is called intuition unique to each individual, only some inklings of what one may perceive who is considered “neak mean buon” in society. In Khmer society, we often think Kings are worthy of praise, worthy to be called “neak mean buon”, and it is within their own sphears. But, as I mentioned relativity, there are certain things a person did in the pasts that qualified him to be king this life, yet lack so many other deeds that would see his merits to be full. This is called inadequate culmination of deeds expressing not in tandem with each other. A king, although considered “neak mean buon”, lack the intelligence (buon) to rule his country prosperously. He still has buon to reign, but his reign is so deficient in various ways as to see his nation really oppressed. This is one way one may distinguish between the essence of the term “neak mean buon”.

    We got to be mindful of the essence of the term and how it is expressed. In Buddhism, when ever one does good deeds, one often get blessings of ayu, vannak, porlak, and sokhak. There are the three phrases: “Pey-rek pean-nak” and “Pey-dek pean-nak” and “kom-bey klean kleat leuy”. These two phrases sound so similar to each other and when the ajah gave them to us, we thought it was good without little thought. I think some of the ajah do not really know why they said it even though they know how to say it. Sometimes you got to question the scholars.

    [digression]
    If we say that intelligence is what is called “neak mean buon”, why is it that we don’t call the ajah that, implying one who is worthy of praise, worthy of respects with knowledge to lead the mass? Many Khmer mistake on this, or at least the ajah. We often see ajahs boasting themselves to be so knowledgeable that they considered themselves enlightened being even (if not, at least I have heard of many). To differentiate this, consider the question: has any ajah ever seen to be the one doing the buon, that is his own master of the ceremony, the donor himself, rather than the one put in charge of conducting the ceremony? Very rare. [/ digression]

    “Pey-dek pean-nak” implies immediacy. We want those four blessings to come to us immediately. Not only so, we want them to come to us in tandem, expressing all attributes without delay as implied by the term “kom-bey klean kleat leuy”. Plus, ultimately we want nirvana as indicated by “Pey-rek pean-nak”. This is ideal as The Fully Enlightened Buddha expressed these attributes when He found Enlightenment. Yet, on the most part, few of us possess these attributes in tandem. That is why we see variations in intelligence, beauty, health, age, stregth, etc., as they all fall under the term “buon”. There are kings who rule but without intelligence, without weaalth, without longevity, etc. Then there are those of us, regular human who live long, live short, very sick, very healthy, very beautiful, very ugly, very obstructed in freedom of movement, etc. These are the examples or expression of our own deeds that we committed in the pasts.

    In short, to want merits, one must have intelligence to spot the merits in actions. To not want is to do nothing. To want and to do, one must take care not to spill. Such is the only way one will get ahead with any accumulation of good deeds to be considered “neak mean buon”. In considering to be “neak mean buon”, one must define what it is that is considered buon for self. If one defines “neak mean buon” to be a king, then surely one must work toward that objective. Similarly, if one defines “neak mean buon” to be a buddha, then surely one will know the requirements needed to fulfill that status. If one defines “neak mean buon” to be the Universal Buddha, then surely one will know what to do to achieve that status. It is a matter of what one defines and how one commit one’s actions to get there. As it is all relavity, how one achieves one’s dreams is dependent on one’s intelligence and one’s carefulness to achieve it.

    [i]Originally posted by veayoo[/i]
    Reksmey,

    How do we know that one gets the intelligence? Broadly speaking, how do we know a person is a Neak Mean Bonn?

    #316076
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    Generally, when one seeks “neak mean buon” one wants guidance. A person spotted to be “neak mean buon, will possess that quality of intelligence, the knowledge or Principles needed to lead others from a world of suffering to a world of peace. A person possessing the Knowledge to lead others from sufferings is considered the true essence of the term “neak mean buon”. That is the reason why, imo, neak mean buon is highly searched in the world.

    [i]Originally posted by veayoo[/i]

    In a clearer statement, I hope: if Neak Mean Bonn exists and there is at least a way to tell its existence, what a Neak Mean Bonn is for, anyway?

    #316086
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    Reksmey,

    Thank you for your kind advice. It has helped me quite a bit.

    Believe me, advices such as yours as well as other KC people such as PhnomKlarSar and AhSaren help to keep me in check with what Khmer culture and people are expected of a Neak Mean Bonn, if any.

    Personally, I have been dealing mainly with Baromeys about the matter. They have taught me a few things about the matter which is, in my understanding, their expertise. All along though, I have tried my best to keep checking to make sure that I am still in touch with our real human world. As you know, a person may get drifted too far in a spiritual world and lose the human touch, human expectation and, in general, human dharma.

    Again, the advices have kept me in check at a certain level.

    [i]Originally posted by reksmay[/i]
    Generally, when one seeks “neak mean buon” one wants guidance. A person spotted to be “neak mean buon, will possess that quality of intelligence, the knowledge or Principles needed to lead others from a world of suffering to a world of peace. A person possessing the Knowledge to lead others from sufferings is considered the true essence of the term “neak mean buon”. That is the reason why, imo, neak mean buon is highly searched in the world.

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    [i]Originally posted by veayoo[/i]

    In a clearer statement, I hope: if Neak Mean Bonn exists and there is at least a way to tell its existence, what a Neak Mean Bonn is for, anyway?

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    #316097
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    Reksmey,

    Good guidance and intelligence are surely in the Neak Mean Bonn required qualification and job description.

    Presently, human may have satellite and camera lenses in the sky to zoom in and see/ record many earthy activities. The state-of-the art vision may not come with enough information to allow human to be intelligent enough to determine the correct strategy and actions to reach peace and prosperity goals, for instance.

    Neak Mean Bonn vision and intelligence, as I understand, would be more than just zooming from the sky like the case of satellite and camera. They would incorporate some divine capability. Divine eyes, as I have heard, should go beyond obstacles such as earth or spaces.

    God, gods and Borameys could see heavens, earth and hells matters. They can zoom in things that are beyond solid matters or far beyond empty space. Neak Mean Bonn, as I was told, is supposed to have divine vision/ eyes and intelligence.
    While I have been showered and bombarded with the slang, I do not have the qualification for the job description. In light of expectations, the qualification deficiency has bothered me quite a bit.

    As a human, I am used to the idea of “get it done”. I am not comfortable to go along with missions that I do not have enough staff, equipment or abilities. I do not like “mission impossible”.

    [i]Originally posted by veayoo[/i]

    In a clearer statement, I hope: if Neak Mean Bonn exists and there is at least a way to tell its existence, what a Neak Mean Bonn is for, anyway?

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    #316107
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    ” That is the reason why, imo, neak mean buon is highly searched in the world.”

    I keep searching for a real one myself. Feel ee to tell me where to go.

    [i]Originally posted by reksmay[/i]
    Generally, when one seeks “neak mean buon” one wants guidance. A person spotted to be “neak mean buon, will possess that quality of intelligence, the knowledge or Principles needed to lead others from a world of suffering to a world of peace. A person possessing the Knowledge to lead others from sufferings is considered the true essence of the term “neak mean buon”. That is the reason why, imo, neak mean buon is highly searched in the world.

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    [i]Originally posted by veayoo[/i]

    In a clearer statement, I hope: if Neak Mean Bonn exists and there is at least a way to tell its existence, what a Neak Mean Bonn is for, anyway?

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    #316117
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    Veayoo,

    I think patience and dedication are the key to any success. If you don’t have it, work hard in building for it. Neak Mean Buon as you also state have devine perception. With the latest technology to go to the moon, the regular human eyes cannot perceive the Enlightened Beings presiding on the Moon. Beings with devine eyes could discern them. Plus, they could travel without using machinery through space and realm. Science, although it is the marking of any socially advanced civilization, fall very short in this capacity. It could be done through meditation.

    Human have only four elements in our system. We lack so much more elements(the specifics of which I do not know), that allow us to see beings of more elements than we do. We have short eye sight. If we have devine perception born from our dedications to purity of merits, we would have seen the Gods existing in our very own planets already. Because we have not accumulated enough, their existence remain in the etheral or imagination world. We often concentrate on searching for Devine Beings in the Celestial worlds like in outer space. But, often times we have forgot what is in front of us on Earth. That is what a person should work on, imo. See what is in front of them before they could see beyond.

    I have no experience with Borameys. I have heard that when a person meditate, that person should do so with the guidance of a master. Otherwise, if the person travel in his astro form and found a happy place, he forgot to get back to his body. A master, after the appointed time and his student haven’t returned, could go and fetch the soul back to the body. Otherwise, the body is said to be undead. It is said that the Undead Body lives for a long time and very strong too. They are known as Nek Ta or Lok Ta seen traversing the deep woods, I think. Are you familiar with such phenomenon?

    #316127
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    If you insist, look toward the East in SE Asia. There you will find Nek Mean Buon. At present he is leading followers on the path to peace. Land marks such as Prasats, Preah Vihear, School houses, Religious Shrines of monumentous proportions and more have been erected to absolve evils and curses so that those who believe may abide in the shade of peace and well being. In addition, they are landmarks that will serve a significant purpose in what is portend ahead, the neutralization of destructions. With each day passes, as more and more news of destructions involving both nature and mankind emerged in the tube, more and more Dharma/Sutra/Principles are imparted to the followers to learn to keep from harm’s way. Followers abide by the serene and sublime Dharma imparted by the Enlightened Being will see for themselves how beneficial they are to their well being. I am pointing the way only. The decision to embark is always up to each being of free will.

    [i]Originally posted by veayoo[/i]
    ” That is the reason why, imo, neak mean buon is highly searched in the world.”

    I keep searching for a real one myself. Feel ee to tell me where to go.

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    [i]Originally posted by reksmay[/i]
    Generally, when one seeks “neak mean buon” one wants guidance. A person spotted to be “neak mean buon, will possess that quality of intelligence, the knowledge or Principles needed to lead others from a world of suffering to a world of peace. A person possessing the Knowledge to lead others from sufferings is considered the true essence of the term “neak mean buon”. That is the reason why, imo, neak mean buon is highly searched in the world.

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    [i]Originally posted by veayoo[/i]

    In a clearer statement, I hope: if Neak Mean Bonn exists and there is at least a way to tell its existence, what a Neak Mean Bonn is for, anyway?

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